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Demonstrations of KODAK Laser Projection Technology will take place September 30, October 7, and October 15. Request an invite at http://motion.kodak....nology/Contact/

Eastman Kodak Company announced today that it has developed revolutionary laser projection technology that delivers both 2D and bright 3D images within today's stringent technical standards for digital motion picture presentation. Kodak is currently demonstrating a prototype projector incorporating the KODAK Laser Projection Technology to key industry leaders.

"So far, reaction has been tremendous," said Les Moore, Kodak's chief operating officer for Digital Cinema. "In addition to producing a wide range of colors, the KODAK Laser Projection Technology offers wide dynamic range, deep blacks, and a bright 3D image display. I think people see this technology as a potential game-changer for digital projection."

According to Moore, the KODAK Laser Projection Technology is a key ingredient to potential improvements in digital cinema picture quality for future movie-goers. This technology offers the potential for a reduction in total cost of ownership through a cost-conscious design, combined with the efficiencies gained through using laser illumination systems including, lower energy consumption and the anticipated long lifetime of lasers.

Kodak is currently in discussions with potential licensing partners to commercialize a projector product using the KODAK Laser Projection Technology.

Kodak has invited industry participants to a series of demonstrations of the projector at the company's in-house theater, Theater on the Ridge, located in Rochester, NY. For more information about Kodak's 3D laser projector and technology demonstrations, please visit http://www.kodak.com...aserprojection.

"Kodak continues to be a leader in the entertainment industry," said Kim Snyder, president, Entertainment Imaging, Kodak. "We're driving revolutionary improvements in digital cinema projection technology that can significantly improve the theatrical experience for the moviegoer - especially in 3D - the range of available tones and colors for the creative community, and the cost of ownership for the exhibitor."
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At least for me ,the links are nonfunctional.

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http://motion.kodak.com/US/en/motion...logy/index.htm

Questions may be directed to Carolyn Delvecchio, carolyn.delvecchio AT kodak.com.
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I have friends seeing this at the end of the month.
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this will be either a lcos pr. drive with huge laser as a light
source or a pure laser pr. some may similar to the
sony glv that never comes to the market till today.

think sony will have a lcos with laser soon.
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Well like the E&S ESLP GLV that came to market. Are you sure it isn't s remote lightsource machine, that could be an DLP (in addition to LCoS), like the Zeiss, but without the second imager chip.

The Sony would be based on those stackable laser light source modules?

Arasor has demonstrated JVC's using its lasers, several years ago. So, as for technology demonstrators, it has been done, this should be the next step, pre-production (concept) models...
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Is it
A A pure scanning laser projector, doubtful since it is difficult to reach high resolutions.
B A laser light source + DLP
C A laser light source +LCOS
D A laser light source +GEMS, Kodak´s GLV variant

If 1+1=2 Sony should combine sxrd and their stackable lasers announced earlier this year.

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I was invited to this, I will let you know what it is if I can.

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Kodak is a Laser DLP!!!

http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldu...o-1099359.html

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This should be able to draw a 235:1 image verses using a lens is that correct?
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The article states that contrast can be increased from 10k:1 to 20k:1. Is this possibly without a great lumen loss?

The achievable brightness is great news, 40000 lumens.
The contrast that is possible is THE surprise to me.
The time table is aggressive.

Next stop 4K Laser DLP from Kodak and IMAX. Which will be the brightest?

Do you guys expect the laser DLP from Kodak to be 4K from the start? It would be stupid not to enter the market at 4K.

So do you expect Sony to annouce their laser projector this Autumn?

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That is one good looking machine. To bad it has that DCI touch panel on it with the Dallas Key contact

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Hmm, I read yesterday that the projector was 11000 Lumens, not 40K.
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And indeed the story from Heisse mentions the same 11k lumens, and 10000:1 contrastratio for the prototype projector, and a potential for the technology to provide 40K lumens and 20k:1 in contrast. Possible marketintroduction could be 12 to 18 months from now, but as they are looking into technology licensing deals...
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-could be 12 to 18 months from now....
-can get 20.000:1 cr.....
-will offer some day 40.000 lumen....

its a nice development but i bet this pr. will not comes in 2011 possible not in
2012.
they promote in ther advertising 40.000 lumen and now they say oh this is for the
future now we have only a quater of it.
the 4k dlp will offer this may faster with xenon lamps.

lets talk first with people that saw this demo.
the better color and cr. if they system show no other bugs can be
a big point and the life time the laser have is for "cinemas" a big point.
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So how was the presentation by Kodak. We already know it is DLP with a laser light source.

Do we see Kodak with a partner going for the normal sized screens for 2D/3D possibly with 4K ?

IMAX and Laser Light Engines are going for the really big screens. Kodak´s 40000 lumen is not enough for IMAX screens.

What else laser might we see at ShowEeast and CineAsia?

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i talk with someone that saw the pr.yesterday.

he said very good colors very good cr. and very bright 3d so all in all
a very good picture.

speckle seams to be ok but not perfekt i hear from a other source.
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Did your source tell what size screen was used and what kind of type unity gain or high gain?

Is the speckle low enough at this stage to make it a product that can be marketed and sold?
Would the coherency of the light from laser light source be affected by being reflected through a liquid crystal layer?

The laser buzz has got me excited!

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I thought about going up there and seeing the demo, but I probably won't get a chance.

It looks interesting, but I am guessing this won't be in mortal range for another five years.

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Did your source tell what size screen was used and what kind of type unity gain or high gain?

Is the speckle low enough at this stage to make it a product that can be marketed and sold?
Would the coherency of the light from laser light source be affected by being reflected through a liquid crystal layer?

The laser buzz has got me excited!

no i have no other infos than this.

i am very sensitiv about speckle thats the reason why i have a
matt preview screen.
possible that silver screens and other gain screens add additional
speckle like a dlp have on a gain screen more speckle than a lcos pr.

i know now why even at the low 11000 lumen 3d was so bright.
a laser based dlp need not any z screen in front of a cinema dlp optic because laser is already polarized and this encrease the light in 3d by a lot.

i think this set up looks in 3d as bright as a 30.000 lumen dlp with z screen.

lets hope the can solve the speckle issue some day.
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Unless it uses fibers like LLE, or the dual LCoS 3D RPTV guys, then you need to re-polarise.
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Unless it uses fibers like LLE, or the dual LCoS 3D RPTV guys, then you need to re-polarise.

i hear today that Laser Light Engines (LLC) is may inside the kodak laser pr.and LLC let produce parts at Jenoptik Germany

what i not understand is when the laser dlp not need anymore this
z screen for polaristionsswitch between left and right and the laser light
have already a polarisation how they can switch from left to right
polarisationsangle???
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LLE is more or less bought out by IMAX, with an exclusivity period of two years for that marketsegment, and all focus (need for 20 more engineers, according to display daily last week), is at developing the product for IMAX. Yes, Jenoptik is contractmanufacturing the LASERS for LLE. LLE demontsrators have sofar used fiber to deliver the laser light to the DLP chip. In the fiber it losses its polarisation, so if polarised light is required (for LCoS for instance), it needs to be re-polarized.

The rearpro guys from California just use two fibers to feed ttwo LCoS chips, so you could split the laserlight and switch between two polarisations.
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That is one good looking machine.

Are you talking about the image, meaning you saw it in action? Can you tell us any more?
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Hi folks,

I'll be going to this for AV Science this coming Friday, and have arranged some private time with the key people at Kodak. It is short notice I know, but if you have some questions you want answered about this, please post them here as soon as you can and I will be sure to ask on your behalf.

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If you can ask them questions,


What will be the hold time for each frame? Standard DLP is 8.3ms, but somes projectors such as the Dual Titan allow users to set the hold time from 1 to 16 ms for each frame.


Can the colors be tweaked to use the Dolby 3d passive 3d method? This would seem to be a massive advantage if possible. You wouldn't need a silver screen. With the polarisation technique + silver screen method (RealD) you can't tilt your head too far, while the Dolby 3d method avoids this disadvantage. The color refresh rate of the lasers should be really fast.

Can DLP chips be coated with any special materials to combat speckle?

Is there any special technology that could licensed to other companies to help image quality? For example, Mitsubishi already has a Laser DLP rear projection TV on the market. Could any of the Kodak technology help them?
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Brimstone, thanks that is great. I will ask all of the above for you.

Any others?
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