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FDA Greenlights Kodak Laser Projection Technology

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The FDA (Food and Drug Administration) has approved a variance that allows for the sale of KODAK Laser Projector Systems using KODAK Laser Projection Technology to cinema exhibitors without the need for individual site or show operator variances. This is an important step forward in delivering brighter 2D and 3D images that provide higher dynamic range and a wider color gamut to theaters
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Speaking of laser projection I heard from a source that the big B was supposed to have held a private demo of their own laser-based dcinema projector (based on Kodak IP?) a few weeks back, with a press announcement to follow soon after. I didn't see a press announcement so I'm wondering, did the demo happen?
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Speaking of laser projection I heard from a source that the big B was supposed to have held a private demo of their own laser-based dcinema projector (based on Kodak IP?) a few weeks back, with a press announcement to follow soon after. I didn't see a press announcement so I'm wondering, did the demo happen?

If I had been officially present, which Officially I was not, there would have been no use of Kodak technology, in fact it would appear that Kodak deliberately removed the prism to make sure the lasers could not be retrofit-table into an existing 2k or 2k projector by the simple replacement of the lamp house. Which makes all the sense in the world. By showing this lack of deference to existing projector bases, Kodak is showing their interest into returning to a field where they were previously unable to compete. The Big B has had a laser technology head start that puts K on notice... I imagine cause I never did see it, i swear.
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Umm...read what up? The Kodak press release in the link posted by Lee doesn't mention it (not that I was expecting it to). Nor could I find mention of it on Barco's web site. And I didn't find it searching "Barco laser projector" with Google. Did you intend to post another link?
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If I had been officially present, which Officially I was not, there would have been no use of Kodak technology, in fact it would appear that Kodak deliberately removed the prism to make sure the lasers could not be retrofit-table into an existing 2k or 2k projector by the simple replacement of the lamp house. Which makes all the sense in the world. By showing this lack of deference to existing projector bases, Kodak is showing their interest into returning to a field where they were previously unable to compete. The Big B has had a laser technology head start that puts K on notice... I imagine cause I never did see it, i swear.

Right. You were never there. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink. Can you _conjecture_ about what you might have seen if you _had_ been there? Any reason why it's being kept so hush-hush?
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Because it never happened.
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Just two morsels of info, laser is the best hope for super high contrast 3dlp, you can shoot those suckers through needle hole aperture plates without uniformity issues. There is a NEWLY CREATED SAFE AREA for you to put your mug against a laser projection lens. for a 28 foot td the safe area in front of the projector is about 16 inches. This will become an important installation parameter as lenses will have to be this far away from the fascia of the portholes.
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LLE, I guess, though that would require re-polarisation, due to the use of fibers (depolarising), but I am just guessing as that is the one other developer at implementaion stage that I know of.
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We have had some excellent video report on the Kodak Laser Projection technology on this forum last year. Surprisingly without any discussions or much attention paid by any forum members.
Basically Kodak has redesigned the whole optical path of a DLP projector and put a conventional laser behind it.
Some years ago that would that would have made a heated discussion here about the merits and pitfalls of such a "radical move".
Are people loosing interest in new projector designs? Even as radical as this?

So Kodak eliminated the prism and basically redesigned the whole optical block including much reduced lens size and higher F number as a cost-saving measure to offset the cost of the lasers.
But manufacturers that will license this technology must more or less build a laser projector from scratch based on Kodak's design.

Any word on which manufacturers that will license Kodak's laser projector design?







From these pdf's; http://motion.kodak.com/motion/uploa...DR-article.pdf

http://motion.kodak.com/motion/uploa..._LDR_Kodak.pdf
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While optical miniaturisation is apealing, and may show contrast benefits, there are ways to using lasers with existing projectors, with the simple replacement of the lamp housing. Thta addresses an opportunity for the existing series one and series two installed base to upgrade to laser.
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Here is a series of videos.
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Where does Sony stand with lasers for digital cinema?
Sony has presented their laser modules that can be increased in numberes to go very bright.
Sxrd stability should have alot to gain with a cooler light source than xenon and how much contrast does sxrd stand to gain from lasers.

Are we about to hear Sony and Barco to talk in public about real laser projectors for Digital Cinema?

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late this summer you will hear from sony i think.

laser dlps are at least 1 to 1-5 years away.
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The Kodak presentation videos say:
Retrofit lasers only adds cost and only give you some of the benefits
For example: Kodak uses one component both to combat speckle and to enable passive 3D functionality.
Also a retrofit means staying with "fast" low f-number optics and associated components that are expensive.

The videos were very interesting.

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Great to hear that there will be some competition in the laser Digital Cinema market.
Kodak went with dlp for a couple of reasons.
One reason was the robustness of the dlp technology and the other was market acceptence of dlp which has more accumulated years in the field.
We will have to see how lasers can improve the stability of Sony┬┤s offering.

I guess you in the "know" knew that Kodaks implementation could go to 80k lumen with the new and slightly bigger dmd chip. Kodaks demo was using 0.98.

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Great thread. Been waiting to hear some new info on laser pj tech.

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late this summer you will hear from sony i think.

laser dlps are at least 1 to 1-5 years away.

So from what I'm reading, they say they're pretty far advanced in development.

But you think it's still years from deployment?
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no i mean that laser based cinema dlp pr. will take at least 1 to 1.5 years befor
we see them in cinemas.

about sony i hear that the since long time announced stack laser light
sources are very close to the market and may first products will hit the market
in late summer this year.
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no i mean that laser based cinema dlp pr. will take at least 1 to 1.5 years befor
we see them in cinemas.

The problem is cost, if they could sell for $500,000 and cinemas would buy them at that price, we would have them next month. Also the type pf laser needs more testing in the lab for reliability confirmation.

But given INCENTIVE it is no rocket science to put together today.
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