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thanks for all the nice words!

as i have post a handfull 4k stacks working worldwide right now but they either display 4k in 2d at 24p or 3d2k upscalle to 4k3d and not "native" 4k in 3d.

the event you mentioned they show there 4k in "2d" with 24p and 3d from 2k source material upscale to 4k so not native 4k 3d.

silver screens not have any "extinction *time* of 150 ms" i say that silver screens have
extinction *ratio* in the best case at 150:1 that means the ghosting is bad.
as it was not that good thats the reason why the ghostbuffer the source material
for almost every 3d movie.


I'm new here. So I do not know any thing about the cinema. May I ask, is it a home cinema? Play movies for a single family? 2 4K 32B for a home cinema? Or just a kond of experiment?

the lens is the 1,27-1,86


I'm new here. So I do not know any thing about the cinema. May I ask, is it a home cinema? Play movies for a single family? 2 4K 32B for a home cinema? Or just a kond of experiment?
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Yup Daisy, this is Wolfgang's private basement hometheater. Two projectors so he can do proper 3D, wich is his great passion, and has been for over three decades.

And unlike Arnold's 105 seat theater, this isn't build with fundraising events in mind, but a pure hometheater.
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I start working at the soundprotection inside the pr. room and put everywhere i can sound protection waffles.

some of the old waffles from the old pr. room in white are still there and i use them.

this will drop the level of noise inside the pr. room some db as it kills the
noise close to the pr. itself and this will of course also decrease the outside noise level.

also as i have now a lot of sound absorber free as i have in the past in my cinema
in the direction to the screen 2 rows of them at the floor (see older pictures) but now
as i put a new first row this absorber are free.
this will decrease the sound level inside the pr. room additional and opposite
to the waffles it will kill also lower freq. much better.






next will be to put the bd player the denon a1 and all the rest back to work.

i decide to put everything under the rack from pr. number 1.
as i can almost look to the screen when i handle the bd player and the a1.
it will be the best way.

i may put a 20m hdmi cable to the middle of the now second row that i use normally to watch 2d and 3d bds as i like to
have there a 3d bd player to check some times short some bds.

i have to hurry up as i got yesterday the movie ben hur at bd.
you should take a look to this link (please wait for load and than move your mouse to the picture and back).
this will show you the difference between dvd and bd.
http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ss=1#vergleich
a very good bd picture congratulation to warner!

i like to use this compare to say if you have a true 4k native material compare to the best bd the difference is almost as big
as I the link above between dvd and bd IF you sit close enough to the picture(not much more than 1 times the picture wide).

i will may use Ben Hur Blue Ray to reopen my cinema after the 2k dlp to 4k dlp change when in about 5 weeks all is done and the new
seats for the new first row are there as Lawrence of Arabia is still not at BD!
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the left side from down:

the doremi 4k show vault cinema server
the denon a1
the oppo 3d bd player
the doremi dimension 3d box

left side the 4k computer for the 4k 3d still pictures.

next week infitec will install the new filters inside both pr.

there will be some features that will be first time used in a dlp pr.
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Very clean looking...
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yes Peter now everything develops nice and fast.

yesterday i almost finish to place the audio cables and the whole other
cables.
only the server that playback my 4k 3d stills neet all together
4 usb 4 display port and 8 dvi cables from the computer output to the input from both 4k dlps see
this picture I use for the first post


I hope soon will be a single cable there with a new standard that can do 2x60 frames
at native 4K in 3D!


if i can spend some more days like i work at the last weekend
(i do almost everything myself) i will be finish soon.
before my new seats will come for sure.

the last big thing was to build the sound protection for the lens without
glass in between the optic and the screen.

as i like to try a other optic for some reason i can not start with it.

i like to wait before everything was 100% clear that i will use the lens i
have in future as well.

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What is your current throw distance and lens? bitte.

If you can get the 1.34 in 2k fixed lens to work it would be a big improvement.

I can see difference between 1.25-2.05in 2k lens in Skoll and .92 in 4k fixed in the lab. NO COMPARISON.
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Peter you say 2D is dead.

this is only half right.

right is 2D is dead "and 2K is also dead"!

4K 3D with 2x 60Frames are the future.

you take the blue pill for 2D 2K or the red one for 4K 3D Neo
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Yes Showscan -4k 3d ist der zukunft, but right now teranex 2>3D conversion is the best thing, the woven screen manufacturer in this forum came ready to criticize realD metallic screen and at the end said passive 3d Teranex converted to 4k is much better than 2d with which he makes a living. Of course he liked DCI 3-D clips better for clean looking but second best thing he has seen is the converted teranex.


http://www.barco.com/projection_syst...ates_FINAL.pdf
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-Sony announced a true 4K consumer pr. for dez 2011 or jan2012.

-Sony announced a softwareupgrade for the playstation 3 that it can playback 4K stills.

-Samsung announced a new chip that are already ship in samples for 4k consumer cams.

-Jvc will have very soon a 4k camera for almost consumer price level.

-Canon will have november3th a big day(very likely offers a soon to buy cheap 4k cam)

-Red will may upgrade the scarlet to true 4k recording as a direct hit to canon.

-CES 2012 will have a lot of companys with 4k recording and displaying

no question 4k will becomes very popular in 2012.

i bet we will see a cheap 4k pr. before 2012 ends.
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I looked-up Teranex today. Bare with me, my market does not have the need for this yet. So I did not know what they were doing. Funny twist if faith I find out Mike Poirier is GM. I have worked with the guy, a real genius. No wonder his product is good, he has such a brain.

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As of Jan 2012 I no longer work for Barco. So my comments do not represent the views of my former employer but only my own.

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Well from a pure frame rate convertor/scaler company Teranex extended in some of the same markets as Barco, like the LCDs they called reference monitors. Perhaps one could say Barco Silex does some of the same stuff, judging by its website.

BTW, does any-one know what happened to LetItWave?
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I looked-up Teranex today. Bare with me, my market does not have the need for this yet. So I did not know what they were doing. Funny twist if faith I find out Mike Poirier is GM. I have worked with the guy, a real genius. No wonder his product is good, he has such a brain.

yeah he is quite a force. Regarding your market you just are not seeing the myriad opportunities, with the studios, and some luxury venues. 2k unencrypted support is being added in November.

I am presenting it to some of your colleagues from California for possible incorporation in the Moody Gardens event.
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W.Mayer...cost wise how much was this setup? lol if your not comfortable saying it's okay.


What kind of internet connection/bandwith is required for 4k DCI content?

Thanks for the amazing thread btw. I wannna fly to Germany just to check it out!
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i will answer "one" part.

DCI 2k 2d is 250mbit per secound.

for 4k DCI its the same!

yes i also think 4k have more but existing 4k dci is only 250mbit.

i think that will change when 4k gets higher frame rate or 4k3d.

the goal should be 4k3d with 2x 60 frames and in some years we will see it.

my guess is that this takes at least 4 times the bandwith but i am sure
in 2-4 years that will be not any problem.
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Hey Wmayer,

Was curious to what sort of components you have in your server that plays 4k reso? Also is the BR player upconverting to 4k?

No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

Must..stop...buying...every bluray release...
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2k from bd was either upcon to 4k from the barco itself or i
can use the doremi 4k imb for that.

remember my cinema is still under construcion and i did not any test if there was a difference between it.

the server that feeds the two 4k dlps for my 4k 3d stills are from this company:
http://www.brainsalt.at
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The center image is 3d on it's own partial dome screen. This is Madame Tussauds in London. I go check out next week.
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http://www.extremetech.com/electroni...rt-12-standard

over 21 gbit/sec. thats why displayport may find its way to some 4k pr.in future.
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yesterday the new first row a black two double love chair arrived
earlier that expect.

this will be the place to watch at around 0.7 times the screen wide
my native 3d 4k stills and some day true other 4k content.

i can movie with the 4k dlp also the "now" secound row that are perfect
to watch 2d and 3d bds from 1.15 times the screen wide to 1.0 times the screen wide in distance.

the problem in the past with the 2k dlp was that at 1.0 times the screen wide in
distance i can see pixels in some areas but as this is with a 4k a no issue anymore
i did this change.

as there are new 4k opitics coming i deside to not drill a hole into the 2
plates for the 2 openings from both pr.(see the picture in the background) as this is a hightec material and very expensive.
the new optics are very likely a bit thicker and i not like to do it again.
i will keep this hightec plates and did it when i will be 100% sure about
what optic i will use in future.

for the time being i will order a 40mm thick hard wood and just make a hole into
it to couple the lens without any glass to the screen.
top sound protection have to wait a bit.

so soon i can reopen my cinema and i will select for it likely
Ben Hur.
this movie was one of the movie that i will remember forever also
like the first Star Wars 1976 and Titanic and 2001.

all this movies i saw in 70mm and beside titanic that was a blowup
from a Super 35mm all was real true 70mm films.



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yesterday the new first row a black two double love chair arrived
earlier that expect.

this will be the place to watch at around 0.7 times the screen wide
my native 3d 4k stills and some day true other 4k content.

i can movie with the 4k dlp also the "now" secound row that are perfect
to watch 2d and 3d bds from 1.15 times the screen wide to 1.0 times the screen wide in distance.

the problem in the past with the 2k dlp was that at 1.0 times the screen wide in
distance i can see pixels in some areas but as this is with a 4k a no issue anymore
i did this change.

as there are new 4k opitics coming i deside to not drill a hole into the 2
plates for the 2 openings from both pr.(see the picture in the background) as this is a hightec material and very expensive.
the new optics are very likely a bit thicker and i not like to do it again.
i will keep this hightec plates and did it when i will be 100% sure about
what optic i will use in future.

for the time being i will order a 40mm thick hard wood and just make a hole into
it to couple the lens without any glass to the screen.
top sound protection have to wait a bit.

so soon i can reopen my cinema and i will select for it likely
Ben Hur.
this movie was one of the movie that i will remember forever also
like the first Star Wars 1976 and Titanic and 2001.

all this movies i saw in 70mm and beside titanic that was a blowup
from a Super 35mm all was real true 70mm films.

Congrats! This turns out to become a super solution on all areas. The idea to do window-like portholes with acoustic damping frames is great. Easy to react whenever front access is needed without moving the pr, fantastic! Unfortunately I can't copy your patent pending masterwork, because of a 1 foot thick concrete wall Wolfgang, how about using 40mm Basotect meanwhile instead of wood?
All in all a typical Mayer milestone Ovations!
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its almost done.

i get today the temporarily windows elements
and i will do some soundprotection the next few days at the inner side of the window.




the big eye is watching you

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Wow that looks great
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Sweet Dr. Christmas! I like to follow this!
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Very cool, I like the door trim/name too.
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yesterday i look into
drop further the noise level.

as you can see in this picture the gab in the projector
room window is around 10 mm each side and noise from inside
the pr. room comes "a bit" out
from this gab.

sitoation before was this.





i design and produce a strange looking sound cancel tubesystem
see here "some parts" of it.






this almost close the whole gab and at the front
of the 4 srews I will add a aperture that let ONLY
the beam out and cover all the rest.
that means the small gab that is still there (around 1-2mm only) will
be closed as well and it will looks more nice.

i try it and the sound level is with all this action
as good as if there was not any hole at all!
cant hear any difference now between a 100% closed
window (that I still have to try it) or this with the hole
with the sound protection.

also some more sound absorbers inside the pr. room itself help
to get the nosie level down.

no question you still can hear all this huge fans.
2 x 600 cubic meter exaust air +1x 1200 cubic meter inside air and 2 huge
32000 lumen pr. with two 6000 watt xenon lamps and the
cinema server the 4K 3D computer and more all this you can still hear outside
but good is that sound level is now much less than in the past with one single barco dp 2000 with inside and outside air system!

also I will add a filter slider after this new aperture
next week that
will have the Infitec 3D filter and other filters i will try in future
for 2D and 3D.

this will also make it very easy to switch between
2D and 3D and on top of this I will add some different
apertures that will kills
the light when I project a 2.35 format movie
the black bars on top and bottom as with my light gun
this is a improvement as less scattered light will hit the room.
I did the same with my DP 2000 and it was a good improvment
this time but now
as this pr. have almost the double light it will be even more important.

also it will help to drop the light level for 2d as i cant dim enough
the light level with this 6000 watt xenon (min. is 4000 watt)
and thats
a bit high for 2d at least with a very new lamp.
also it is not to good for the lamp itself
to dim this huge xenon lamps at all.

if you dim very often between max. and min.(worst case!) this
huge xenon lamps will produce more flicker!

the beam cant burn into ONE place as it always move
form one place the beam select at max. light out to a other
place for min. light out.
this jumping will enlarge the filcker.


here a picture from the sound protection wise ready system
without the apature.
the 4 srews will get some more parts as above described next week.

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Good idea, what are these rings made out of? Rubber, silicone?
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i am a pcb manufacturer and the parts are made from pcb material
called FR4.
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the filter slider is ready
it contains temporary only the new infitec filters.

the one that will be made in some weeks will have 3 filters for each pr.
possible also gray filter to drop the lumen in 2d!

yes you hear right I like to drop the lumen
as I cant do it with more diming I have to do it with a gray filter.

the min. 4000 watt produce with a new lamp around 70ftl at the screen at full 7 meter.and that is a bit too much even for my taste
till 50ftl is ok but over 70 ftl is to much.

I will likely drop it to 30-40 ftl.









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Excellent, You have your metal fabrication workers from the factory working very hard. Hehe.
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