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Mayer,

How are things with the Sony, now that you are using the anamorphic lens? Still planning on using it for 2D?

Can you tell me how far you would expect the lens to stick out from the front of the Barco projector. I will be using the 1.38 DC4K (1.45-2.13)
Order number R9855943 lens.

I can't get any info on how far it will stick out! I know the projector is 1129mm deep but i don't know how much more to add for the lens??

I hoping either you or Peter would know!

Thanks,
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yes i use the sony together with the isco anamorphic lens 1.25 for all what is 2d.

the big barcos for all what is 3d.

the new lenses are delayed to july or august 2012.

to bad i need one of the new one as well so no one can give you any details about it
today.
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yesterday i finish the new holder for the isco 1.25 anamorphic lens for the big
barco b32 and the new filter slider that have 2 different versions of 3d filtersystems inside.



i saw yesterday for the first time how the picture benifit from the more lumen
and more resolution when using this anamorphic lens.

as i need a smaller zoom ratio lens to do the 1.4 ratio with the anamorphic lens
i can only try the 2.35 format but i note that the corners are looks better as the
angle the 3d filters have to deal with are now smaller.

sad that this new big 4k lenses will have this huge delay.
i cant wait to see this lenses as i expect a performance increase with it.
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What new 3D filter are you using, you may want to check out this ebay listing for the Omega 3D kit (Panavision) if you contact motorman45 on the forum he should be able to get you larger filters
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What new 3D filter are you using, you may want to check out this ebay listing for the Omega 3D kit (Panavision) if you contact motorman45 on the forum he should be able to get you larger filters

bigger filters and glasses are already on the way to me.

thank you!
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bigger filters and glasses are already on the way to me.

thank you!

Great! Let me know what you think of them compared to your Infitec filters
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panavision filter and glasses arrive today and i did a short test between the 3d systems from infitec dolby and panavision.

the test was only a first short test only with my eyes.
all filters and glasses have to deal with the barco xenon light out not calibrated how the pr. put it out.
there is for me no need to calibrate this filters anymore as the difference between left and right is at least with the infitec so low that it makes no sense for me to lost light for this but some people that offer this service may see this different.

i found that the panavision offers the lowest lumen
follow by the dolby and the infitec have the most lumen at the screen
and also to my eyes.

i will measure this later with calibrated instruments and might post this numbers.
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panavision filter and glasses arrive today and i did a short test between the 3d systems from infitec dolby and panavision.

the test was only a first short test only with my eyes.
all filters and glasses have to deal with the barco xenon light out not calibrated how the pr. put it out.
there is for me no need to calibrate this filters anymore as the difference between left and right is at least with the infitec so low that it makes no sense for me to lost light for this but some people that offer this service may see this different.

i found that the panavision offers the lowest lumen
follow by the dolby and the infitec have the most lumen at the screen
and also to my eyes.

i will measure this later with calibrated instruments and might post this numbers.

Do you think Panavision needs any color correction or is it about the same as Infitec?
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Do you think Panavision needs any color correction or is it about the same as Infitec?

i think there will be no need for a color calibration with the panavision.
in "this" the panavision is very close to the infitec.
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here are my mesurements about the different 3d filter systems.

i measure lux via my lux meter.
i measure both pr. how much light the put on the screen so both left and right images at the same time with the filters in front of the
2 barco b32 4k dlps optics.

i not use any color corection as i not think that with all 3 filters is a must so the lux was measured how the barco b32 puts it out.

-panavision 970 lux
-dolby 1090 lux
-infitec 1170 lux

when i measure it side by side (left and right filter seperate)each of the 3 filters i found the the lumendifference between left and right from each filter system is with the infitec the smallest.

visual rate the 3 filter systems only with my eyes
the infitec filter is the brightest one and its looks more bright than the
numbers above tells.

it a nice option to compare all 3 filter systems but for me i will use the new infitec as it was all in all in practice the best system for me.
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here are my mesurements about the different 3d filter systems.

i measure lux via my lux meter.
i measure both pr. how much light the put on the screen so both left and right images at the same time with the filters in front of the
2 barco b32 4k dlps optics.

i not use any color corection as i not think that with all 3 filters is a must so the lux was measured how the barco b32 puts it out.

-panavision 970 lux
-dolby 1090 lux
-infitec 1170 lux

when i measure it side by side (left and right filter seperate)each of the 3 filters i found the the lumendifference between left and right from each filter system is with the infitec the smallest.

visual rate the 3 filter systems only with my eyes
the infitec filter is the brightest one and its looks more bright than the
numbers above tells.

it a nice option to compare all 3 filter systems but for me i will use the new infitec as it was all in all in practice the best system for me.

Mayer, Thanks for all your post. They really are very insightful.

I was wondering how you think the Dolby color wheel with a single projector would compare to shutter glasses. Would the dolby color wheel option be brighter or easier on the eyes than active glasses?
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a single pr. with the dolby 3d wheel is a option no question.

but every single 3d pr. solution suffer a little bit from motion in 3d.
only a passive 2 pr. doublestack "where both left and right images are at the exact same time at the screen" give you some advantages.

i think for home use with one pr. the shutter is the best option but also dolby have some advantages over shutter.
i not have any idea how bright dolby with one pr. is compare to shutter with one pr. but i guess its about the same.
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i got yesterday my first 4k dci material some trailers in 4k.

they are the new bond samsara (new bakara) and dark night.

all of them show a picture quality much better than anything else i saw before in 2d.

there are a big range between very good and poor seq.at all 3 trailers.

the most good parts have samsara.

some of the seq. looks like real with very much detail and very rich colors
over all i think the best trailer but also some seq. have unsharp corners.

the new bond was record with the arri alexa camera at only 2.8 k but it looks also very very good almost not any difference
to the other true 4k trailers.

bad as always the trailers cut cut cut.......makes it hard to watch and enjoy the 4k dci picture.
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i got yesterday my first 4k dci material some trailers in 4k.
they are the new bond samsara (new bakara) and dark night.
all of them show a picture quality much better than anything else i saw before in 2d.
there are a big range between very good and poor seq.at all 3 trailers.
the most good parts have samsara.

some of the seq. looks like real with very much detail and very rich colors
over all i think the best trailer but also some seq. have unsharp corners.
the new bond was record with the arri alexa camera at only 2.8 k but it looks also very very good almost not any difference
to the other true 4k trailers.
bad as always the trailers cut cut cut.......makes it hard to watch and enjoy the 4k dci picture.

Thanks for the positive report Mayer.
So far the 4k trailers are coming from Deluxe. There are a few more included in the weekly trailmix. I noticed the "Sony 4K" intro is also native 4K. Hoping 4k becomes mainstream. The launch of the new IMBs
will help speed up the 4k upgrade path for the hardware manufactures.
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Mayer.

Hope you are doing well. I have not spoke with you in some time. I am hoping you can help with an issue im having.

I got a new high-power computer to feed 4K to the Barco. I know it uses both DVI cables each at 2048x2160 for left side and right side.

I have the AMD eyefinity card so it can merge the two DVI outputs to one large 4096x2160 image.

When I connect to the projector it wont read the correct EDID settings. It only wants to allow 2048x1080.

I think i saw you had to use the Gefen DVI Detectives set to 2048x2160. My question is how do I set the Gefen DVI Detecetives to that resolution, so the computer will think that is the ccorrect resolution for each DVI connection?

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i use a 3d computer build from a company in austria call brainsalt see the link.
http://www.brainsalt.at

they can may can answer this question.

as i like not this kind of problems i order from them a computer system that can feed
the barco b32 with a 4k image at 4096x2160.

this computer can do even more as i can feed 2 times a 4 k image for 4k in 3d.
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Have you thought about running dual Sony 4k projectors? Can this be done to deliver 3D4k and regular 4k on a 15' screen with ample brightness? Any thoughts on what outboard equipment might be needed to run a dual Sony 4k setup, aside from a HTPC? I take it you think the Sony 4k unit is the best available 2D projector on the market?

Also, were your Barco's modded to work in a home theater the way, say, Display Development does? I have never seen one of their modded Barco units but I have read that they are bright, with excellent picture quality. They also offer a single projector passive Dolby 3D upgrade but again I haven't seen it but heard it is great. I have always preferred passive 3D until I saw "Life of Pi." It was shown using active Expand (sp?) 3D glasses and it was off the charts wonderful. Not sure if the technology used in the cinema is available to home theater or not.

Anyway, thank you so much for taking the time to share your wealth of knowledge with us.
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no i have my 4k passive 3d setup with 2 4k dlps no need to change it ontill somthing much better comes up.

no i not use a modded barco 4k dlp as there is not any need for me.
the only thing i can increase will be cr. but i trade so much light for it that it make no sense at all for me.

for all 2d content since almost 1 year i use my sony 4k vw 1000 together with a 1.25 isco anamorph lens and i have almost 10ftl on my screen.
not as bright as i like it but i get used to it and the way the 4k sony lcos home cinema pr. handel cr. and ansi cr. and motion are very nice.

i really love my 2 setup version one for very high brightness 3d with the dlps and the one for perfect 2d the sony vw 1000 with the 1.25 isco anamorhic lens.
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Any new 4K trailers lately?

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yesterday i look into
drop further the noise level.

as you can see in this picture the gab in the projector
room window is around 10 mm each side and noise from inside
the pr. room comes "a bit" out
from this gab.

sitoation before was this.





i design and produce a strange looking sound cancel tubesystem
see here "some parts" of it.






this almost close the whole gab and at the front
of the 4 srews I will add a aperture that let ONLY
the beam out and cover all the rest.
that means the small gab that is still there (around 1-2mm only) will
be closed as well and it will looks more nice.

i try it and the sound level is with all this action
as good as if there was not any hole at all!
cant hear any difference now between a 100% closed
window (that I still have to try it) or this with the hole
with the sound protection.

also some more sound absorbers inside the pr. room itself help
to get the nosie level down.

no question you still can hear all this huge fans.
2 x 600 cubic meter exaust air +1x 1200 cubic meter inside air and 2 huge
32000 lumen pr. with two 6000 watt xenon lamps and the
cinema server the 4K 3D computer and more all this you can still hear outside
but good is that sound level is now much less than in the past with one single barco dp 2000 with inside and outside air system!

also I will add a filter slider after this new aperture
next week that
will have the Infitec 3D filter and other filters i will try in future
for 2D and 3D.

this will also make it very easy to switch between
2D and 3D and on top of this I will add some different
apertures that will kills
the light when I project a 2.35 format movie
the black bars on top and bottom as with my light gun
this is a improvement as less scattered light will hit the room.
I did the same with my DP 2000 and it was a good improvment
this time but now
as this pr. have almost the double light it will be even more important.

also it will help to drop the light level for 2d as i cant dim enough
the light level with this 6000 watt xenon (min. is 4000 watt)
and thats
a bit high for 2d at least with a very new lamp.
also it is not to good for the lamp itself
to dim this huge xenon lamps at all.

if you dim very often between max. and min.(worst case!) this
huge xenon lamps will produce more flicker!

the beam cant burn into ONE place as it always move
form one place the beam select at max. light out to a other
place for min. light out.
this jumping will enlarge the filcker.


here a picture from the sound protection wise ready system
without the apature.
the 4 srews will get some more parts as above described next week.


Hey Wolfgang:

Do you happen to have any rings left over for a tube system?

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This is great but no lens memory possible, fixed rig.
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No room around lens for lens memory motors to work? Just looking to seal opening in wall where lens protrudes.
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What projector did you settle on or do you already have Lon?
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So LJG got the DPI version of the NEC? I am sure the NEC itself will be a nice machine, regardless of what there is done to it. 95% will still be well above what he had/has. And I assume he was able to get a great deal, being a launch customer. Though the NEC would have been less expensive to begin with. DPI was 120K USD list? NEC is less than 50K (list or goin?)? Plus MiT/Alan modifications at x(?)K USD.
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BTW Peter, did you see Chris Chinnok's report on his factory visit with Christie, that showed him a new HDR version of its DCi projector? 4 million to 1 on-off contrast and low black level.

Two stage DMD, second stage taking care of the light modulation, like the JVC 4K/8K LCoS, and two DMD Zeiss Velvet before it.

Did Barco ever get to adapt that 10 million to 1 LCoS technology to the DLP integrator rod, as you mentioned a long time ago, Barco was looking into?
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BTW Peter, did you see Chris Chinnok's report on his factory visit with Christie, that showed him a new HDR version of its DCi projector? 4 million to 1 on-off contrast and low black level.

Two stage DMD, second stage taking care of the light modulation, like the JVC 4K/8K LCoS, and two DMD Zeiss Velvet before it.

Did Barco ever get to adapt that 10 million to 1 LCoS technology to the DLP integrator rod, as you mentioned a long time ago, Barco was looking into?
Good info, I was curious how they were going to target HDR on the projection side. HDR will require new cameras which are coming. New system should be eye candy. Just think our kids & their kids will take all this for granted, I wish I was 20 years younger
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Two stage DMD, second stage taking care of the light modulation, like the JVC 4K/8K LCoS, and two DMD Zeiss Velvet before it.
First I've heard of JVC doing that - really?

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So LJG got the DPI version of the NEC? I am sure the NEC itself will be a nice machine, regardless of what there is done to it. 95% will still be well above what he had/has. And I assume he was able to get a great deal, being a launch customer. Though the NEC would have been less expensive to begin with. DPI was 120K USD list? NEC is less than 50K (list or goin?)? Plus MiT/Alan modifications at x(?)K USD.
The 4k has not been released. It is not the Laser-3c.
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I thought he went with a pre-order. Deleting the post as pre-mature.
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