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Probably not differentiated enough for an average Joe like me that doesn't work in a dubbing stage on a daily basis.

The people I saw the film with were mighty impressed.. and none of them were in the business. rolleyes.gif
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The people I saw the film with were mighty impressed.. and none of them were in the business. rolleyes.gif

Impressed by what? The mix itself or how the Atmos mix sounded in comparison with the 7.1 mix?
Guess the people you go to the movies aren't the average moviegoer wink.gif

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Probably not differentiated enough for an average Joe like me that doesn't work in a dubbing stage on a daily basis.
I don't work in a dubbing stage nor do the people I went with to see Amazing Spiderman 2, but we heard the unique aspects of Atmos. Most obvious were the voices in Electro's head moving around and above us.

More subtle, but still apparent, was during a quiet moment in the showdown with Rhino, where the crowd was waiting for Spiderman to show up. We could hear the thwips of his web shooter and the swooshes of him swinging directly overhead before he appeared from the top of the screen. Not going to get that effect from a 7.1 mix in a commercial theatre.

Having heard about 7-8 local Atmos installs and even one in Las Vegas, I can tell you that some are more effective than others at highlighting unique attributes of Atmos. So maybe you heard one that didn't make the difference as noticeable.

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Having heard about 7-8 local Atmos installs and even one in Las Vegas, I can tell you that some are more effective than others at highlighting unique attributes of Atmos. So maybe you heard one that didn't make the difference as noticeable.

I will be in Vegas next month. What did you think of the Atmos theater there compared to the others you've heard? I've experience Atmos once and would do it again if the venue is good. Thanks.

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I will be in Vegas next month. What did you think of the Atmos theater there compared to the others you've heard?
It was the Brenden theatre at the Palms hotel, and it sounded fine. The Atmos mix I heard (Secret Life of Walter Mitty) had very subtle surround and overhead effects (wind noise, etc). Personally, I would never pass up a chance to hear Atmos, irrespective of movie, irrespective of mix.
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Saw Spiderman 2 in Atmos at the Crown Vmax in Melbourne. Everything was pretty much front-centric. Nothing that couldn't have been accomplished with 7 channels. Are mixers afraid of using the additional speakers in the back and on the ceiling? After a while the ventriloquism effect will perceptually shift sounds towards the screen anyway and often seating or seating position will block sounds coming from the back, nevertheless mixers (and/or directors?) seem to shy away from using discrete sounds from the back?
It wouldn't surprise me if they played the wrong track or that they haven't done a good job retro fitting the theatre
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It wouldn't surprise me if they played the wrong track or that they haven't done a good job retro fitting the theatre

+1 Wouldn't surprise me either.

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I will be in Vegas next month. What did you think of the Atmos theater there compared to the others you've heard?

It was the Brenden theatre at the Palms hotel, and it sounded fine. The Atmos mix I heard (Secret Life of Walter Mitty) had very subtle surround and overhead effects (wind noise, etc). Personally, I would never pass up a chance to hear Atmos, irrespective of movie, irrespective of mix.
Just got back from watching How To Train Your Dragon 2 at this theater. The theater had two rows of nine speakers each on the sides, and two rows of nine speakers each on the ceiling, plus six speakers on the back wall and whatever lives behind the screen. Speakers were Klipsch. Sound was pretty good, though a little loud for my tastes. Overhead effects were subtle most of the time, although a few instances were obvious.

I did see Catching Fire at the AMC Barrywoods Atmos theater in Kansas City last December, and my recollection of the sound there is that I preferred it. But this was a fine presentation as well.

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Consumer version of Atmos officially announced:

http://blog.dolby.com/2014/06/dolby-...ing-room-near/
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Consumer version of Atmos officially announced:

http://blog.dolby.com/2014/06/dolby-...ing-room-near/
Cool!

I just asked for more follow up details. I think we'd all like to know its capabilities.

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Consumer version of Atmos officially announced:

http://blog.dolby.com/2014/06/dolby-...ing-room-near/
What do they mean by "our partners will offer new Dolby Atmos-enabled speakers that produce full, detailed overhead sound from speakers located where your conventional speakers are now.

If you already have speakers that you love, you can choose an add-on, Dolby Atmos-enabled speaker module that complements your existing speakers. (In fact, many people will place the modules right on top of their current speakers.)". What makes the new speakers so special that you can't use regular speakers?

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What makes the new speakers so special that you can't use regular speakers?
The new height modules will have very narrow dispersion, like a focused flashlight pointing at the ceiling. The drivers will likely be mounted below the surface and be surrounded by sound-absorbing foam. The idea is to hear the reflection off the ceiling as the source of the sound, not the speaker itself.

By comparison, pointing a regular speaker upwards won't work. You'd hear the off-axis sound of the speaker and, if Haas is to be believed, your brain would suppress the early reflection off the ceiling. So you would localize where the actual speaker is and ignore its ceiling reflection. The exact opposite of what is desired with these height modules.
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What do they mean by "our partners will offer new Dolby Atmos-enabled speakers that produce full, detailed overhead sound from speakers located where your conventional speakers are now.

If you already have speakers that you love, you can choose an add-on, Dolby Atmos-enabled speaker module that complements your existing speakers. (In fact, many people will place the modules right on top of their current speakers.)". What makes the new speakers so special that you can't use regular speakers?
It means the industry money grab attempt is even bigger than you thought it would be.
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The new height modules will have very narrow dispersion, like a focused flashlight pointing at the ceiling. The drivers will likely be mounted below the surface and be surrounded by sound-absorbing foam. The idea is to hear the reflection off the ceiling as the source of the sound, not the speaker itself.

By comparison, pointing a regular speaker upwards won't work. You'd hear the off-axis sound of the speaker and, if Haas is to be believed, your brain would suppress the early reflection off the ceiling. So you would localize where the actual speaker is and ignore its ceiling reflection. The exact opposite of what is desired with these height modules.
I might not be able to go ATMOS then as all my speakers are rated over 100db horns... I don't think they will have anything that is going to have the efficiency or will voice the same as my Klipsch HIP speakers do.

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Consumer version of Atmos officially announced:

http://blog.dolby.com/2014/06/dolby-...ing-room-near/

YES!!!

Lol, now I can stop being a d**k about it "not existing" anymore.... I guess.

Bring it! I'm ready for Atmos.
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I might not be able to go ATMOS then as all my speakers are rated over 100db horns...
Not unless you can find/build smaller versions of your speakers.

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Not likely at all... Unless I can build some.

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I might not be able to go ATMOS then as all my speakers are rated over 100db horns... I don't think they will have anything that is going to have the efficiency or will voice the same as my Klipsch HIP speakers do.
Efficiency is not relevant to the question of creating decent height effects. And we may infer voicing is less important than for the mains based on Dolby's information.

Perhaps there are some smaller Klipsch speakers that could be used (mounted overhead, not aimed at the ceiling).

It's not a question of not being able to go Atmos, it's a question of whether you'd want to do what it takes to implement Atmos in a way that meets your sonic standards. It's a perfectly valid question for any of us.
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They did mention that ceiling speakers should optimally be placed on the ceiling, if possible. But if you can't, then there are other alternatives. I would think they're working with manufacturers to also create wide dispersal speakers that can more easily mount to the ceiling.

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Efficiency is not relevant to the question of creating decent height effects. And we may infer voicing is less important than for the mains based on Dolby's information.

Perhaps there are some smaller Klipsch speakers that could be used (mounted overhead, not aimed at the ceiling).

It's not a question of not being able to go Atmos, it's a question of whether you'd want to do what it takes to implement Atmos in a way that meets your sonic standards. It's a perfectly valid question for any of us.
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They did mention that ceiling speakers should optimally be placed on the ceiling, if possible. But if you can't, then there are other alternatives. I would think they're working with manufacturers to also create wide dispersal speakers that can more easily mount to the ceiling.

Someone in another forum posted these, Diagrams of Onkyo's Atmos speakers.
http://res.cloudinary.com/hrscywv4p/...nu6kgd2j1q.jpg

http://res.cloudinary.com/hrscywv4p/...ucpm4q9qw0.jpg

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Not likely at all... Unless I can build some.
I'm definitely going Atmos and I have an all-Klipsch setup (2x RF-7II / 1x RC-64II / 4x RS-62II right now). I'll add two RB-81IIs in the front corners of my room for DSX/DTS Neo:X-style front heights and I'll also add two overhead CDT-5800-C II in-ceiling speakers for the "real" Atmos heights. Wiring the new speakers in my already-finished room is going to be a beeotch, but where there's a will there's a way.
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Someone in another forum posted these, Diagrams of Onkyo's Atmos speakers.
http://res.cloudinary.com/hrscywv4p/...nu6kgd2j1q.jpg
http://res.cloudinary.com/hrscywv4p/...ucpm4q9qw0.jpg
How weird! BUT ATMOS IS IN THE HOUSE


Onkyo, Integra Go All the Way with Dolby Atmos Enabled A/V Receivers

Onkyo and Integra have announced a full range of Dolby Atmos equipped products into the consumer audio market that include a choice of mid-level and high-performance A/V receivers, and entry-level home-theater-in-a-box (HTiB) solutions.

Onkyo and Integra have announced several new A/V receivers that cover a range of price points that incorporate Dolby Labs’ advanced Atmos surround sound decoding technology. Included in this newly launched group of receivers is Onkyo’s $2,400 TN-NR3030 THX certified receiver.

By Robert Archer, June 23, 2014

The summer months for the movie industry mean it’s blockbuster season. This year, movie goers can look forward to seeing upcoming major releases such as “
,” “
” and “
.” Select movie fans will have the ability to experience these movies, as well as other releases in specially equipped Dolby Atmos theaters that are engineered to deliver this advanced surround format to Dolby’s exacting standards. Now through Onkyo and Integra, homeowners no longer have to search for Dolby Atmos theaters.

Onkyo’s Atmos equipped products include its upcoming THX-certified, 9.2-channel TX-NR1030 and 11.2-channel TX-NR3030 network A/V receivers, and its 11.2-channel PR-SC5530 Network A/V Controller. This fall Onkyo will also release a firmware update for its mid-level TX-NR636, TX-NR737 and TX-NR838 A/V receivers to enable these products to offer Dolby Atmos decoding.

Onkyo’s 2014 models support Dolby’s latest technologies through their inclusion of dual 32-bit DSP engines that will allow electronics professionals to setup system installations based on their clients’ theater configurations, which includes everything from the use of in-ceiling speakers, to the updating of existing “traditional home theater systems.”

“Some of the world’s leading filmmakers are using Dolby Atmos to transport audiences to the center of the action,” explains Kevin Miyagi, general manager, Onkyo Corporation. “Dolby Atmos delivers a multidimensional sound experience with breathtaking detail and clarity. We are excited to be among the first brands to offer this technology to our customers.”

Highlighting some of the flagship TX-NR1030 and TX-NR3030’s other technical specifications, the receivers incorporate customized transformers and three-stage, Inverted Darlington Circuit designs. The receivers also incorporate 24-bit/192kHz Burr Brown DACs, a choice of other processing options such as DTS Neo:X, a choice of inputs and outputs that are headlined by HDMI 2.0, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth wireless connectivity, Imaging Science Foundation (ISF) video calibration options, 4K and 3D video compatibility and high-resolution digital audio file compatibility.

Integra’s upcoming DTR-60.6 and DTR-70.6 network A/V receivers and flagship DHC-80.6 Network A/V Controller will launch with Dolby Atmos. In addition, a firmware update will enable Dolby Atmos on its previously released mid-range network A/V receivers: the DTR-30.6, DTR-40.6 and DTR-50.6. The update is targeted in September.

Features of Integra A/V receivers and controllers include dual 32-bit DSP engines to decode, scale, and calibrate Dolby Atmos to suit individual home theater configurations. Its components support various theater layouts, and users can also augment an existing speaker configuration with Dolby Atmos-enabled loudspeakers.

“Dolby Atmos delivers wonderfully clear, precise and nuanced sound,” says Integra Director of Sales, Keith Haas. “Some of the world’s leading filmmakers are using Dolby Atmos to transport audiences to the center of the action. We are excited to be among the first brands to offer this technology to our customers.”



Mahwah, N.J. — D+M Group plans to launch Denon and Marantz audio components equipped with Dolby Atmos surround decoding, joining Onkyo and Pioneer.
Denon’s first AVRs with Dolby Atmos will be the AVR-X4100W and AVR-X5200W. Both are 9.1-channel models due in September. Pricing was unavailable.

Marantz’s first Atmos AVR will be the 9.1-channel SR7009, due in September. The brand also plans October availability of its first Atmos-equipped preamp processor, the 11-channel AV7702. Prices weren’t disclosed.
The products will be available in late summer through the fall, the company told TWICE.

The Denon and Marantz components, which also feature Audyssey MultEQ XT32 room-acoustics correction, are capable of driving 5.1.4 or 7.1.2 speaker configurations. But Denon’s AVR-X5200W and Marantz’s preamp processor also have the horsepower to drive a 7.1.4 configuration, the company said. The AVR would require the addition of a two-channel amp to do so, the company told TWICE.

Presumably, the Denon AVR and Marantz preamp processor will also drive the 9.1.2 configuration supported by Dolby Atmos, but D+M was verifying compatibility at post time.
One type of 5.1.4 configuration consists of a traditional 5.1 speaker system complemented by four in-ceiling speakers. A 5.1.4 configuration, however, could dispense with all in-ceiling speakers and instead incorporate two Atmos-enabled front left-right speakers and two Atmos-enabled surround speakers. Each Atmos-enabled speaker incorporates a separate height driver, which is driven by a separate amplifier channel from an AVR.

Also for a 5.1.4 configuration, consumers could keep their existing 5.1-speaker system and add four height-speaker modules, each placed on top of the existing left-right and surround speakers or placed on the wall above them.
In a 7.1.2 configuration, a traditional 7.1-speaker system is complemented by two height speakers. In an 11-channel Atmos configuration, a traditional 7.1-speaker system would be complemented by four in-ceiling speakers or four height drivers. A 9.1.2 configuration could consist of 9.1 traditional speakers and two in-ceiling speakers.


Pioneer Announces Dolby Atmos-Enabled Elite Speakers, SC Receivers Elite speakers and receivers deliver immersive Dolby Atmos technology.
By CE Pro Editors, June 23, 2014

Pioneer Electronics has announced a dedicated line of Dolby Atmos-enabled, Andrew Jones-designed Elite speakers and Elite SC series home theater receivers. They will be Dolby Atmos-upgradable through a firmware update, which will be available by the end of the year.

“We’ve been at the forefront of every technology available for the home theater environment and we’re making a point to have the Dolby Atmos technology into the latest products that will captivate and transport audiences with multi-dimensional sound,” says Chris Walker, director of AV product planning and marketing for the Home Electronics Division of Pioneer Electronics (USA) Inc.

He continues, “To ensure the best Dolby Atmos experience possible, Pioneer not only produced a series of ultra-high end receivers dedicated for the task, but also appointed Andrew Jones, our top speaker engineer, to design a speaker system worthy of the Elite brand and that can reproduce the sound quality that only Dolby Atmos can deliver.”
A single Pioneer-branded system provides better control of the Dolby Atmos experience. The 2014 flagship Elite SC receivers with Dolby Atmos will provide multi-channel processing and power required to fully create Dolby Atmos effects.

A new line of Andrew Jones-designed Elite speakers will produce high sound quality.

“Dolby Atmos is the next step in home entertainment and it’s really something you have to experience for yourself to understand how truly amazing it is,” says Michael Crane, Senior Director of Merchandising for Magnolia Home Theater and Design Centers. “We’re looking forward to demonstrating the technology in our Magnolia locations through Pioneer’s complete Dolby Atmos-enabled system.”

In addition, Pioneer will be demonstrating the complete Dolby Atmos system at the CEA Line Show this week in New York.

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So how long will it take for the Krell, Anthem, Lexicon, Classe, McIntosh and the likes to bring ATMMOS to their pre/pro?

I am sure that it will be at least three to five years

Might have to buy a Marantz
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I'm definitely going Atmos and I have an all-Klipsch setup (2x RF-7II / 1x RC-64II / 4x RS-62II right now). I'll add two RB-81IIs in the front corners of my room for DSX/DTS Neo:X-style front heights and I'll also add two overhead CDT-5800-C II in-ceiling speakers for the "real" Atmos heights. Wiring the new speakers in my already-finished room is going to be a beeotch, but where there's a will there's a way.
I made sure I could easily add speakers to the room as we made open soffits all around the room, but I don't know about matching up Heresy HIPs, and JBL 2360a horns to height channels.

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How weird! BUT ATMOS IS IN THE HOUSE
I wonder what the specs are for the height drivers... I don't think they will need to be full range... Maybe mids and tweets?

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Not unless you can find/build smaller versions of your speakers.
Smaller speakers have greater dispersion, not less, and sound-absorbing foam doesn't keep longer wavelengths from diffracting.

Maybe higher freq are enough to give sufficient directional cues, and/or they're using HRTF to create the perception of height.

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I wonder what the specs are for the height drivers... I don't think they will need to be full range... Maybe mids and tweets?
Dolby Atmos' white paper spells out the requirements. They recommend surrounds that go down to about 40 Hz as ideal for everything but the front screen speakers.

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Smaller speakers have greater dispersion, not less, and sound-absorbing foam doesn't keep longer wavelengths from diffracting.
What does that have to do with mounting smaller versions of his horn speakers overhead?

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