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More information about the new digital cinema models is becoming available:
http://www.dcinematoday.com/dc/pr.aspx?newsID=735

I am not sure which DMDs this uses, but I think that they are the older 1.3" type.
It does have HDCP compliant DVI input, which is a surprise.
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Any specs just for fun ?

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http://www.christiedigital.com/NR/rd..._oct052006.pdf

No specs but some data. Now this projector would have killer colorimetry. It has a genum VXP processor. Has 2 hdcp inputs. Of course it would need a reduced aperture plate.According to Odyssey's link it may take hdcp over the modular inputs. That would be a first.

I know we all love contrast ratio,yet if it could be modded to around 4:000>1 , I'd be happy.

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Any specs just for fun ?

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I am guessing, but I think that the on/off CR at D65 with 1dE is the same as the old models: 1500:1 unmodified and 2700-3000:1 modified.

The two new Barco units based on the .98 DMDs may have higher on/off CR and Wolfgang has some information about an improved 1.3 DMD later this year, also with higher CR. No HDCP for any of these.

The rest of the specs should be excellent, most of them way beyond the consumer and non digital cinema units. For example, some (all?) of these models have very precise mechanical convergence adjustment. All of them have very sophisticated color management.
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New model/s from Christie and Barco, will news from NEC follow shortly? Will Sony make any attempt to be heard or seen?

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I spoke to Lisa Chan PR agent for the Starus NEC offering. They will not be introducing a new projector at Showest with the .98 DMD, "not quite yet, but soon"...

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Does anyone have any idea what the Christie will retail for? I have read on the forum it's supposed to be cheaper than its' predecessor?
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AMEN indeed!



Is it AIR COOLED?



CHECK OUT THE VIDEO

DO YOU THINK IT IS MODIFIABLE FOR APERTURE PLATE? It already has a HC lens option.

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the new Barco DP1500/DP-2000 has the chassis of the FLMHD14. Optional lens memory for zoom/focus and shift enables these models to go without anamorphic attachment...and oohh the new ACS-2048 alternative content switcher now too comes with HDCP!
http://www.barco.com/digitalcinema/e...projectors.asp

these are written for the ACS-2048:
A standard HDCP (High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection) "decrypted input" and "encrypted output" path enables copy-protected content to be displayed at digital cinema resolutions, while maintaining the highest degree of security for the copyright holder
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Oh man that should be an awesome PJ. No need for anamorphic.

Nice scaler with IP control.


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The memory lens servo is very useful in rooms that are not very wide. In this case a constant width scenario with a single top down mask offering a "fixed bottom of screen" would work.

This Barco would do just that.







In case you are wondering these are the speakers depicted:


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I like that robotic arm for an anamorphic lens. Thats a different approach to sleds. Looks cleaner.
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I have been saying that all along for years. Still I am intrigued by the Constant Image Width.

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I have been saying that all along for years. Still I am intrigued by the Constant Image Width.

You just need a zoom range wide enough to shrink the image when the anamorphic lens is engaged.

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I could have sworn that this Christie model has already been compared to the RS1 and OF COURSE it could not compete with the JVC.

My Theater Room JVC RS4910, Panamorph UH480, 148 in. 2.40:1 Dalite HD Pro 1.3, Klipsch THX Ultra II's x 7, Quad JTR Captivator S1 subs
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Not in on/off cr.

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You just need a zoom range wide enough to shrink the image when the anamorphic lens is engaged.

Hi Robena no anamorphic lens is needed with this projector. It has a lens that goes between 1.6 to 2.5 that is a huge servo range. It accomodates 1.66 ar thru 2.76, with ideal conditions it can probably go bewteen 1.33 and 2.76.

This will be a very interesting option finally delivering on the promise of fully automated constnt image height, for rooms that are taller than wider.

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Spoke to Barco guy at show, the dp1500 will ship July August, the switcher will not have HDCP enbled initially , later.

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Christie scaler shows 10 bit content with dual dvi.

http://www.christiedigital.co.uk/pro...ifications.asp

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The christie options include an exhaust fan kit and the 1.26 anamorphic adapter.

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Christie scaler shows 10 bit content with dual dvi.

http://www.christiedigital.co.uk/pro...ifications.asp

That's exactly the same layout, and probably the same circuitry, than the HD5K input panel.

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That's exactly the same layout, and probably the same circuitry, than the HD5K input panel.


That would be outstanding if it has the Genum chip in it. I am on hold with Christie now to ask if one can feed HDCP dvi 8 bit and output 10 bit dual dvi. I downloaded the owners manual for this unit and it has all the memories in the world to do aspect ratio control to 2048 pixels wide. My concern is that it also does a decent job of cadence detection. We know if it is a Genum that it will be fine.

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Yep it is a genum.

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What is the pricing on this puppy
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I am working on that. But guess what? Drumroll please...

I will be receiving a snaphot of the aperture plate on the integrator rod lightpath. That means the Odyssey mod is quite likely possible, being a matter of replacing the plate with another one reduced by 2/3. This Pj takes 3 lamps, the 2k, the 3k normal and the 3k high output. It would be dangerous using the 3k High Output as the modification translates choked photons into heat. But experimentation with the lesser output 3k could yield good results.

Gentlemen if this works, behold the ultimate HT PJ; having deep color content displayed at 10 bit video with precise colorimetry and 3,500:1 Cr @ 2k lumens TRUE D65, with the finest anamorphic rig available, and a custom matched TORUS to boot. I should sell this kit under the CINERAMAX brand.

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Aperture Plate: (notice the heat proof black anodizing).




Guillotine action insertion of aperture plate into integrator rod light path point.



Illustration of proposed Cineramax-Odyssey () modification.


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Gentlemen if this works, behold the ultimate HT PJ; having deep color content displayed at 10 bit video with precise colorimetry and 3,500:1 Cr @ 2k lumens TRUE D65, with the finest anamorphic rig available, and a custom matched TORUS to boot. I should sell this kit under the CINERAMAX brand.

Mr. Mayer found 3,245:1 CR @ 7000 lumens D65 with the HD8K.

What would be the interest of your mod compared to that?

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I am sorry but there is no way your statement is true. The digital cinema calibration tools is accurate the rest is garbage. One has a 3kw xenon lamp, the other a toy 1,200kw cermax with problems. Now the HD*k does have a motorised iris, this one does not.


Totally different leagues. Mybe I can get more cr out of this I'd have to experiment with multiple plates and different lamps. This is a better projector due to the anamorphic turret and better lens.

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I am sorry but there is no way your statement is true. The digital cinema calibration tools is accurate the rest is garbage. One has a 3kw xenon lamp, the other a toy 1,200kw cermax with problems.

One has 8000 lumens iris opened, and the other 17000. That's perfectly in sync with the lamp wattage.

As for the colors, when you set the HD5K color menu to D65, they are perfect out of the box. On my sample, switching to D65 from full drive only loses 6% light, so the lamp is near native D65.

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If Cineramax says you are wrong then you are to shut up and leave well enough alone!


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