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Can anyone comment on this...
http://twitpic.com/14i3

The logo looks like a ham that's grown legs. Here's the link to the source article. I wonder if Zatz would be willing to comment on the box in use.
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Solidsignal has just raised their price again. A few days ago it was upped to $42, and now it is at $49. plus the $10 shipping.
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Solidsignal has just raised their price again. A few days ago it was upped to $42, and now it is at $49. plus the $10 shipping.

it says the MSRP: $59.99...is that true? or are they making it up as some stores do... I thought it was supposed to be $39.99.
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Solidsignal has just raised their price again. A few days ago it was upped to $42, and now it is at $49. plus the $10 shipping.

Markets "Supply and Demand".

One would think they at least ought to get the boxes before raising the price,
well I guess if they want that increase on a boatload of boxes they have to
get it now with the pre orders :P
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I don't know about you guys but I would looking FreeDTVShop.com first as John said he plans on selling them for $39.99 so it would just be the shipping.
Not only that but you could get two with combined shipping.

Remember, nobody is accepting coupons for the DTVPal yet and prices are likely to go all over the place.
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The dtvpal.com site is now up, with sign up for a newsletter. They said mid-late June DishNetwork would be selling -- but who that means was not clarified.

I didn't see a price.

It sounds like the event timer programs the CECB to turn on and change the the right channel, but you'd have to separately program the VCR.
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It sounds like the event timer programs the CECB to turn on and change the the right channel, but you'd have to separately program the VCR.

Well, yeah - what were you expecting for a government subsidized CECB box?
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I wasn't expecting much. NTIA would not approve a box with a recording device feature. It sure doesn't make it a transparent transition, does it?
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Thank you TalkingRat this is some of the best DTVPal news yet...
A Official Site at last

All the domains are active.
DTVPal.com, DTVPal.org, and DTVPal.net and they all show the same thing.

I like how the weight is TBD (To Be Determined)

I will add a http://www.changedetection.com notification so I get e-mailed updates to the site as I tried all three I recommended earlier and this one worked the best for me.

I also subscribed to there newsletter and hope they do better with this than they did with the tr40@slingmedia.com email
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It was Whidbey who spotted the site, I just saw that it was active. I had hoped for more detail. And more news. Hoping the newsletter will come soon.

Yes, the box is tiny! The big bright logo is something I won't want visible from where I sit.
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This whole coupon/box thing is turning into a scam. Coupon only good for a few number of days, good boxes (DTV PAL) only coming out after early-birds' coupons expire, and now retailers are starting to gouge (albeit in the name of capitalism) on the half-way descent boxes that are actually available. Our local HH Gregg just raised the Zenith DTT900 from $49 to $59 for a box that probably costs $5 (if that) to make.
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WOW! That's a tiny box!

I guess you can do that when the power supply is external. Should cut way down on the heat.

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Does anyone have any info on the only coupon-eligible box Provantage currently lists (DSP7500T)? Better/worse than the DTV Pal holy grail?
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Can anyone comment on this...
twitpic.com/14i3

Specs on DTVPal.Com suggests it is larger (twice the size as picture):
H: 1.3 x W: 5.9 x D: 4.2
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Specs on DTVPal.Com suggests it is larger (twice the size as picture):
H: 1.3 x W: 5.9 x D: 4.2

or smaller if the paper under the box is 8.5" x 11".

Enjoying crystal clear TV for free.

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html
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TalkingRat,

Whidbey was not the first to post about the site his post was on 05/17/08
There was a earlier post about multiple DTVPal sites on 04/16/08

You were however the first to report it was active and I am grateful.

I had forgot about checking on the sites as EchoStar/SlingMedia is very quite about their product.
I also did not think of using something like http://www.changedetection.com

They are probably afraid to release to much of anything after seeing what happened to MaxMedia and what is currently happening to MicroProse.

Does anyone know if they had to reapply to the NTIA for the Name & Cosmetic changes to the TR-40?
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or smaller if the paper under the box is 8.5" x 11".

I would guess that the distance between the thumb and index finger is 4" or so.

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LG has two different listings on the NTIA approved CECBs
under Zenith and Insignia the brand names they are being sold as.

Dish Network is only listed as DISH Network DTVPal
The DTVPal should reapply under that brand names it was be sold as. SlingMedia and EchoStar

So they don't encounter a NTIA delay/problem like MicroProse did.

LG should not be treated different then Dish Network?

Did the DTVPal have to gain certification with the NTIA for it's modifications both to the size and name change from the TR-40 to be listed under DTVPal?

If not why does MicroProse?

The NTIA looks like it is not having these CECB Manufactures playing by the same rules.

Doesn't everyone find it sad that the NTIA has a release about MicroProse selling a passThru model MPI-500PT*
even though they were listed for a Digital Only MPI-500 and got told off by the NTIA?

What NTIA rule did MicroProse break?
All the manufactures have made some modifications since being listed.
Look at Zenith they have had different tuners and recently something in the APRIL 2008 build to fix the audio.

Where was this release from the NTIA when MaxMedia kept changing features and sold vaporware with a promise of a June Delivery for those who ordered.
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But actually, it was at one point listed in the CECB approved list both ways, as Echostar TR-40 and DishNetwork DTVPal. It may have been listed as SlingMedia, too. They cleaned up the list a week or two ago.

Zenith did apply for its change to new numbers for Zenity (DTT901) and Insignia; this was a tuner change from TDVG-H051F to TDVG-H151F. It was approved by the FCC on 3/12/08. But it hasn't made it on the CECB approved list yet.

https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/...d=BEJ9QKE00710
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I do remember it being listed as the EchoStar TR-40
Then as both the TR-40 and DishNetwork DTVPal

I don't think it was ever listed as LG has done with the Zenith and Insignia.
These CECB Manufactures need to play by the same rules and it would be in

DishNetwork would benefit to have it listed under both brands as people will see it twice not only that but they made a smarter move then LG did but using DTVPal as the model number for both brands.

I know that LG did apply for the Zenith DTT901* and Insignia NS-DXA1-APT*

They would have to apply again as they already have a products under the Zenith DTT900 and Insignia NS-DXA1 listings and need a new listing for there new upcoming products.

MicroProse on the other hand never sold a MPI-500 so that listing should have been free to change to the MPI-500PT*

Apparently, there must have been some hidden NTIA rule as I can't find one that MicroProse violated.

I was asking about the DTVPal keep getting relisted under different listings as it should help in the MicroProse problem.
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Malouff, your questions are answered in Manufacturer FAQ#46 (changes) and #47 (pass through)

http://www.ntia.doc.gov/dtvcoupon/manufacturerFAQ.html
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Will Provantage get overwhelmed by all the folks who have coupons expiring today (everyone who ordered coupons the first day)?
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Got an email this morning that freedtvshop.com is now taking orders for the DTVPAL. $42.50 each with $9.95 shipping for one or two. I order two this morning and it came out to $14.95 for two after coupon with shipping. ETA 6-16-2008.
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I was notified today that they are accepting pre-orders here:
www.freedtvshop.com but ONLY if your coupon expires after
06/20/2008. I guess I am out of luck since mine expires 06/06/2008.
The FCC folks have refused to cancel and re-issue my coupons.

The most anticipated coupon eligible converter box in the federal government's TV Converter Box Coupon Program is almost here! Not only does it boast great features, like the event timer, silicon tuner, and analog passthrough, it's also the cheapest box on the market --

ONLY $42.50, or $2.50 after coupon!

FreeDTVShop.com is now accepting pre-orders for this converter box
CLICK HERE TO ORDER NOW
http://www.freedtvshop.com/fdtv/converters/dtvpal.php

Shipping is only $9.95 for your entire order and we ship to all areas covered by the coupon program, so tell your friends in the American Samoa, Guam, Micronesia, Northern Mariana Islands, Palau, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands!

Government coupons will be accepted with expiration dates on or after 06/20/2008. You will be required to input your coupon month and day when ordering. False dates will result in cancelled orders.

AND DON'T FORGET THAT FOR EVERY DTVPAL ORDERED, WE'LL DONATE 10% OF OUR PROFITS TO SUPPORT OUR TROOPS VIA THE FREEDOM CALLS FOUNDATION!

Questions or comments? Contact us at sales@freedtvshop.com




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Just my luck! My coupon expires on 6/17.
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I was notified today that they are accepting pre-orders here:
www.freedtvshop.com but ONLY if your coupon expires after
06/20/2008. I guess I am out of luck since mine expires 06/06/2008.
The FCC folks have refused to cancel and re-issue my coupons.

The most anticipated coupon eligible converter box in the federal government's TV Converter Box Coupon Program is almost here! Not only does it boast great features, like the event timer, silicon tuner, and analog passthrough, it's also the cheapest box on the market --

ONLY $42.50, or $2.50 after coupon!

FreeDTVShop.com is now accepting pre-orders for this converter box
CLICK HERE TO ORDER NOW
http://www.freedtvshop.com/fdtv/converters/dtvpal.php

Shipping is only $9.95 for your entire order and we ship to all areas covered by the coupon program, so tell your friends in the American Samoa, Guam, Micronesia, Northern Mariana Islands, Palau, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands!

Government coupons will be accepted with expiration dates on or after 06/20/2008. You will be required to input your coupon month and day when ordering. False dates will result in cancelled orders.

AND DON'T FORGET THAT FOR EVERY DTVPAL ORDERED, WE'LL DONATE 10% OF OUR PROFITS TO SUPPORT OUR TROOPS VIA THE FREEDOM CALLS FOUNDATION!

Questions or comments? Contact us at sales@freedtvshop.com




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I s uspect its because he cant be sure he will have product before the expiration date of 6/20.

John
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I really don't get this. According to a discussion earlier in this thread (related to how ProVantage was already accepting pre-orders), merchants are allowed to just authorize the card giving them time to then ship the box later. And if they really are expecting these the week on June 16th as they claim, they would be fine even accepting cards that are expiring this month. So what's the deal... are they just being overly conservative or was that whole authorization method not accurate?
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I really don't get this. According to a discussion earlier in this thread (related to how ProVantage was already accepting pre-orders), merchants are allowed to just authorize the card giving them time to then ship the box later. And if they really are expecting these the week on June 16th as they claim, they would be fine even accepting cards that are expiring this month. So what's the deal... are they just being overly conservative or was that whole authorization method not accurate?


I am thinking conservative to try and stay within the rules.. shrugh.
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Broke down and purchased mine. My coupons were expiring 6/22 so I just made it.

Really wanted to wait and see if I could get them at Radio Shack or something but didn't want to risk losing out because of my exp date.
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Dang.  My last coupon's expiration date was June 24.  I'd have saved the trip of exchanging my Magnavox TB100MG9 for itself to apply to the coupon to it if I'd been sure of being able to use the coupon on a DTVPal.  The total price comes out the same but it would have saved me the return trip to the store.

Well, at least this way I'll be able to wait and hear how well the DTVPal lives up to its promises before buying one.
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