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All the ones I've seen seem to only have RF and RCA Type Video outputs along with analog audio outputs. Component Out, S-video out, and Digital Audio Out would be nice, but am I just dreaming?
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So far, there are only three known for sure to have S-Video outs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_CECB_units

A CECB cannot have component outs (or any connection capable of HD video), otherwise it wouldn't be eligible for the coupon program. Same goes for audio, although I believe digital audio over a coax connection is allowed (don't quote me on that). But come on, most are too cheap to put an s-video jack on their boxes. So chances of getting a digital audio output on one are slim to none...
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All the ones I've seen seem to only have RF and RCA Type Video outputs along with analog audio outputs. Component Out, S-video out, and Digital Audio Out would be nice, but am I just dreaming?

The government specs for the coupon program only allow RF, composite, and s-video outputs.

See: http://ezdigitaltv.com/support-files...quirements.pdf

So far there isn't any digital audio on any coupon elgible box.

For models with S-video see chart at
http://www.ezdigitaltv.com/Additiona...es_Matrix.html
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According to the site below, there are several boxes that have s-video and they can be purchased online with the coupon.
See http://www.ezdigitaltv.com/Additiona...es_Matrix.html
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The only box I know to be currently available with S-video is the Channel Master CM-7000. (my initial comments are posted here)

Digital Audio is not allowed, otherwise the CM-7000 would have it. There is a RCA jack "unused" which was designed for digital audio. I am hoping someone here will figure out how to hack it back in
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The Apex I just bought from BB on the 16th has S-video and Pass-Through and is a CECB and has slightly better reception than the Digital Stream DTX9950 that was loaned to me.

I'm sure there will be (or is) a conversion box with all your dream options, but I don't think you'll find one that is coupon eligible.

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I thought I remember reading at least one box might be able to be modified for digital audio out.

Abundant OTA television is what makes this country different from all others. Lets keep it this way.
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Digital Audio is not allowed

Wrong;

http://www.ezdigitaltv.com/Philco_TB150HH9.html
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Digital audio output via coaxial audio


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Wrong;

http://www.ezdigitaltv.com/Philco_TB150HH9.html

Yes, I've seen a couple of spec sheets for the TB150HH9 claiming it has digital audio. That doesn't prove anything, because the original specs for the CM-7000 said the same thing. The NTIA made CM take the digital audio off to get approval for the coupon program.

Also, I think you'll find the TB150HH9 is rather hard to come by. It's possible you'll find a pre-production sample or two on eBay, but I'm pretty sure if this box ever makes it into the inventories of retailers who take coupons, we'll find the digital audio has disappeared just as with the CM-7000.
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Amazon reviews for the Channel Master CM-7001 (the successor of the Channel Master CM-7000)
are all over the place, as usual. Please refer to the attached rear panel photo for the 7001's outputs.
-Marcel



Channel Master CM-7001
RF Output
HDMI Output
S-Video Output
Composite Output
Component Output
Optical Audio Output With Dolby Audio
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Amazon reviews for the Channel Master CM-7001 (the successor of the Channel Master CM-7000)
are all over the place, as usual. Please refer to the attached rear panel photo for the 7001's outputs.
-Marcel

Channel Master CM-7001
RF Output
HDMI Output
S-Video Output
Composite Output
Component Output
Optical Audio Output With Dolby Audio

Nope, that's neither the successor nor a converter box. The CM-7001 is an HD tuner (HD output rather than a converter box's mandatory SD output). No converter box ever had an output above s-video and the majority never had an output above composite.

BTW the CM-7001 also has a QAM tuner. smile.gif

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Thank you, Floydage, for the correction. Silly me - fooled by the manufacturer's product numbering. Those rascals. -Marcel
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On further thought, Floydage, please educate me about this box. What the hell is it for? -Marcel
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Further research on the Channel Master website reveals –

Watch digital TV and HDTV with the CM-7001 Antenna Tuner by Channel Master. This HD digital set-top box is the next generation of our CM-7000 digital to analog converter box. Tunes ATSC (Antenna) or Clear QAM (Unencrypted Cable) signals for televisions, displays, and projectors that do not have built-in-tuners. Easy to setup and use, this antenna compatible digital HDTV converter box carries no monthly subscription or service fees. Pick up free digital TV and HDTV broadcasts with your Channel Master antenna tuner. HDMI and optical audio outputs allow for Dolby Digital quality audio while you watch your favorite programs service and monthly fee free.

Features
• Converts ATSC (Antenna) or Clear QAM (Unencrypted Cable) Signals for Televisions, Displays, and Projectors that do not have built-in-tuners
• Easy to Setup and Use
• Digital Broadcast Quality SD + HD
• HDMI + Optical Audio Outputs
• Dolby® Digital audio
• Basic on-screen program information
• Analog output for older televisions
• No monthly subscription fee
• Remote

Rear Panel Features
• ATSC antenna input for over-the-air digital broadcasts
• HDMI output
• Component HD and analog video outputs
• Optical digital output for Dolby digital and PCM digital audio
• RCA-type audio/video outputs
• 3-prong power cord
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I posted information about the CM-7001 from the Channel Master website. Might as well look to the horse's mouth. However, the moderator flagged my post pending his approval. -Marcel
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Looks like you found what you were looking for and I can see the confusing marketing word play. I wouldn't consider one the next generation of the other when one outputs SD while the other outputs HD (and SD). The 7000 was designed for the US gov't's Coupon Eligible Converter Box (CECB) program with the change from analog to digital broadcasts to provide citizens with a no- to low-cost solution for their analog tuner TVs but only providing an SD output (I think based on those TV set demographics and to keep box cost down). The 7001 is a high-end HD tuner (+QAM for cable) and was not categorically eligible for the coupon program, plus much more expensive (the coupons were for $40 and some CECBs actually sold for that price, others a little more). Still some of us were upset that we couldn't apply the coupon to an HD tuner. tongue.gifbiggrin.gif

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Another CECB which has S-Video Outputs is the Apex 502. I have one that I bought used from Goodwill (including the original remote!) but haven't used it in awhile. Apex CECBs have a bad track record of shoddy quality control, particularly with the earlier Apex 250 model.
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The referenced page at Wikipedia.org has been deleted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_CECB_units

-Marcel
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A regular on some of these threads said the Apex 502 worked well&reliable for him + included a nice multi-day EPG. I think the 502 was the precursor to the 250s contrary to the model number scheme.

These links still work:

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/electronics-computers/tvs-services/digital-tv-converter/ratings/dtv-converter-boxes-ratings.htm

http://www.freelabs.com/~whitis/electronics/dtv_converters/

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