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post #31 of 44 Old 05-25-2008, 03:55 PM
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Also a bad assumption. Of the 5 Raleigh stations assigned on digital 52-69
WUNC moves from 59 to 25 (analog is 4)
WRAL moves from 53 to 48 (analog 5)
WTVD moves from 52 to 11 (analog 11)
WNCN moves from 55 to 17 (analog 17)
WLFL moves from 57 to 27 (analog 22)

So really - the best answer is it depends on the station. Some are, and some aren't, for various reasons, all of them valid.

So... come Feb 18, these folks will all have to re-scan their boxes to keep getting their local stations. How many of them are going to know to do this?
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I would suppose that most people will have the brains to figure out "ooh - my OTA stations aren't coming in, let's try rescanning again" - then it will work again and they will be happy. Or, the stations may put something in their PSA's that people will need to rescan their stations after midnight, Feb 18 2009.

As a matter of fact - this same scenario is going to play out in most of the US - people will need to rescan for their digital OTA signals. The people who did not think/plan ahead and got UHF only antennas when some of their channels are going back to VHF are going to get a rude awakening as well. Personaly - I have 6 ATSC tuners now, and may get some more, that all will need to have channel scans run...

We shall see...

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I'm sure that the stations that will be moving their physical channels in February will be letting their viewers know about the switch and what the viewers will have to do to keep receiving the station.
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they are crippled. they are meant to keep the same level of programming quality for people who don't want to upgrade to new televisions. and so the government doesn't subsidize people simply upgrading their home theater, they limit what the coupons can apply to. no surround, no hidef.
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they are crippled.

No, they are not. They are what they are, and what they were meant to be, just as you said in your following sentences.

Jeez. How many times do we have to go over this?
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yes they are. they are crippled for a reason is all i'm saying.
its not as if adding certain features is difficult or expensive after all. if it were simply a free market thing without coupons they wouldn't spec it that low. even dirt cheap "low end" dvd players have digital outs these days for instance.

$14 dvd player with svideo out http://www.amazon.com/GPX-D1816SIL-D...dp/B000FJCS9C/
$30 gives you hdmi progressive output.
http://www.amazon.com/Jwin-JDVD141Pr...dp/B000NHPE9C/
go to the 50-60 dollar price point and you basically get everything out you want:P
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The CECBs are NOT crippled - they are designed to replicate the service that most people are currently getting from their NTSC only TVs. Nothing more, nothing less...

They are also designed to meet a price point. Adding S-Video and digital audio output (even if allowed) cut into the price / profit margins.

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This is apparently an argument over the definition of "crippled."  Everyone involved agrees about what's unavailable in a CECB and why, but people are quibbling over terminology.
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This is apparently an argument over the definition of "crippled." Everyone involved agrees about what's unavailable in a CECB and why, but people are quibbling over terminology.

I agree with that thought about the terminology dispute.

I think that the CECB is low featured but not crippled. It seems to meet its purpose fine, so not crippled.

I would say an auto that lacked a video rear view system and only had a rear view mirror to be less featured, if it came without the rear view mirror I then might call it crippled.
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its not as if adding certain features is difficult or expensive after all. if it were simply a free market thing without coupons they wouldn't spec it that low. even dirt cheap "low end" dvd players have digital outs these days for instance.

These are not typical free market products. If it weren't for the government switchover, you wouldn't even be seeing them.
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For your "non CECB please see the main HDTV Technical part of this forum post.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=179095

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· Pro-Brand / Digital Stream HD3150 $199
· Winegard RC-1010 $190 ATSC
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Beside no amount of complaining on a forum like this one will in no way ever change the CECB Program or the specs for the boxes that are made for it.
I am sure you have went and read over the nice doc about the specs at

DTV Final Rule page.
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/frn...nalRule_2e.htm

Also the NTIA Manufacturer FAQ
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/dtvcoupon/manufacturerFAQ.html
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The Winegard RC-1010 HD has digital out.
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The Winegard RC-1010 HD has digital out.

It's also not a CECB , and therefore not eligible for the coupons.

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Which raises the question, "what is this thread even still doing in this sub-forum?".
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