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post #91 of 368 Old 10-10-2008, 09:58 PM
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The current number of expired converter box coupons is 9,198,553 (through 10/7/08):

https://www.mydtv2009.gov/Stats.aspx

This represents a loss in value of $367,916,520 to holders of expired converter box coupons.

There have been 11,716,449 coupons redeemed and 9,198,553 coupons expired without being redeemed.

"A ROSE BY ANY OTHER NAME WILL SMELL AS SWEET. BUT IT DOES NOT FOLLOW THAT WHATEVER WE CHOOSE TO CALL A ROSE WILL POSSESS THE ROSE'S FRAGRANCE."

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There have been 12,137,444 converter box coupons redeemed (through 10/15/08).

There have been 9,534,859 converter box coupons that have expired without being redeemed (through 10/15/08):

https://www.mydtv2009.gov/Stats.aspx

This represents a loss in value of $381,368,760 to holders of expired converter box coupons.

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Looks like business is slowly picking up and redemption rate is over 50%.
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There have been 12,627,667 converter box coupons redeemed (through 10/21/08).

There have been 9,863,345 converter box coupons that have expired without being redeemed (through 10/21/08):

https://www.mydtv2009.gov/Stats.aspx

This represents a loss in value of $394,508,200 to holders of expired converter box coupons.

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There have been 13,091,287 converter box coupons redeemed (through 10/28/08).

There have been 10,184,470 converter box coupons that have expired without being redeemed (through 10/28/08):

https://www.mydtv2009.gov/Stats.aspx

This represents a loss in value of $407,353,200 to holders of expired converter box coupons.

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Not much change in the trend other than the redemption rate is very slowly going up.
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There have been 13,541,765 converter box coupons redeemed (through 11/4/08).

There have been 10,509,740 converter box coupons that have expired without being redeemed (through 11/4/08):

https://www.mydtv2009.gov/Stats.aspx

This represents a loss in value of $420,364,000 to holders of expired converter box coupons.

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There have been 14,031,272 converter box coupons redeemed (through 11/11/08).

There have been 10,885,424 converter box coupons that have expired without being redeemed (through 11/11/08):

https://www.mydtv2009.gov/Stats.aspx

This represents a loss in value of $435,491,360 to holders of expired converter box coupons.

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Wow, there was a healthy jump in coupon requests last week. Hmm... I wonder what casued that? Maybe all these tests are waking up some folks.
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There's an uptick every Monday. People surfing the web at work & requesting coupons?
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There have been 14,566,290 converter box coupons redeemed (through 11/18/08).

There have been 11,178,157 converter box coupons that have expired without being redeemed (through 11/18/08):

https://www.mydtv2009.gov/Stats.aspx

This represents a loss in value of $447,200,680 to holders of expired converter box coupons.

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Wow, there was a healthy jump in coupon requests last week. Hmm... I wonder what casued that? Maybe all these tests are waking up some folks.

I've notice stations started including a "N days left" countdown in their newscasts. If other markets are doing this then it might be getting people's attention.

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There's an uptick every Monday. People surfing the web at work & requesting coupons?

Not like this one - look at the graph. It jumped to over 220K (it was about 150K). And even higher this week.
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Wow, there was a healthy jump in coupon requests last week. Hmm... I wonder what casued that? Maybe all these tests are waking up some folks.

Talking to some people this week, some of them had been planning on replacing their old TV sets, taking advantage of Black Friday or Christmas sales. With the slumping economy, they are keeping their old sets. Perhaps many others are thinking the same thing, and will use boxes instead. In my DMA, MediaCom is once again raising their fees, prompting still others to return to OTA only.

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Talking to some people this week, some of them had been planning on replacing their old TV sets, taking advantage of Black Friday or Christmas sales. With the slumping economy, they are keeping their old sets. Perhaps many others are thinking the same thing, and will use boxes instead. In my DMA, MediaCom is once again raising their fees, prompting still others to return to OTA only.

I thought this trend would happen on its own (poeple dumping cable) - the economic conditions just pushed more people toward it - apparently with more folks opting for CECBs. Why buy a new TV for that extra bedroom, when a $10 CECB will do? Why pay $50/mo when you watch the same chs you could get free with a set of rabbit ears? Lots of folks will be realizing those things once they get informed.
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I switched from cable modem to a DSL recently because MediaCom has been having problems in my town. This weekend I helped two families hook up CECB because MediaCom had service interuptions on cable TV. And this happened right after the $3.00 increase for lifeline basic.

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Avg daily orders has gone up and staying there. Also the redemption rate is still climbing.
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There have been 15,092,902 converter box coupons redeemed (through 11/25/08).

There have been 11,486,092 converter box coupons that have expired without being redeemed (through 11/25/08):

https://www.mydtv2009.gov/Stats.aspx

This represents a loss in value of $459,518,080 to holders of expired converter box coupons.

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There have been 15,617,567 converter box coupons redeemed (through 12/2/08).

There have been 11,802,678 converter box coupons that have expired without being redeemed (through 12/2/08):

https://www.mydtv2009.gov/Stats.aspx

This represents a loss in value of $472,181,520 to holders of expired converter box coupons.

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The daily order rate has slipped. A little strange that the contigent funds are being spent more/faster than the initial funding.
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There have been 16,206,963 converter box coupons redeemed (through 12/9/08).

There have been 12,170,965 converter box coupons that have expired without being redeemed (through 12/9/08):

https://www.mydtv2009.gov/Stats.aspx

This represents a loss in value of $486,913,000 to holders of expired converter box coupons.

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The daily order rate has slipped. A little strange that the contigent funds are being spent more/faster than the initial funding.

I figure they assign coupon requests to the contingent fund when people self-identify as having only on-air access to TV. So more on-air only folks are making sure they get their coupons before the program runs out.
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As of 12/10/08 https://www.dtv2009.gov/Stats.aspx showed:
initial funding 4.10 million remaining
contingent funding 1.69 million remaining
(5.79 million total)

avg daily orders last week 203,540
redemtion rate 51.90%

So I estimate:

days left if all non-expired are used: 28
coupons run out on 1/7/09

day left if current redemption rate continues: 55
coupons run out on 2/2/09

With the number of requests per week increasing and the redemption rate increasing, the coupons should run out closer to the January date.
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I compared a Sep 3 stats with the Dec 10 one and at that rate there are about 60 days left.

Total funds available (million)
$607.553930 Sep 2
$231.341676 Dec 9

$376.212254 used from Sep 2 to Dec 9

28 days Sep
31 days Oct
30 days Nov
9 days Dec

98 days total

$3.838900 per day

With $231.341676 left

60.26 days left

Feb 7 funds run out.
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Wait for it.....














CECB bailout in Feb
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This represents a loss in value of $486,913,000 to holders of expired converter box coupons.

"Not only did we help people transition to DTV, but we saved half a billion dollars in the process! This proves that government can work." - politician
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"Not only did we help people transition to DTV, but we saved half a billion dollars in the process! This proves that government can work." - politician

Actually, after a coupon expires unspent, that money goes back into the pool for future coupon requests. The program ends when the total amount of money originally allocated is spent on converter boxes.
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Actually, after a coupon expires unspent, that money goes back into the pool for future coupon requests.

I don't believe that to be true. Can you provide a citation to back your statement?
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Actually, after a coupon expires unspent, that money goes back into the pool for future coupon requests. The program ends when the total amount of money originally allocated is spent on converter boxes.

Here's a scenario to consider: What if they used the money from expired coupons for new coupons, only to have congress come back to mandate that NTIA must reissue expired and lost coupons? Could that fear be why the money doesn't return to the pool for phase I coupons?
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But the unused coupon money has returned to the pool, obviously. Initial plus contingent funding was a 33 million coupon program, and they are already at 39.9 million.
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