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I have noticed an awful lot of people in many threads holding out for the likes of the DTVPal for just the timer feature. Another option is to just use a learning remote with a timer built in instead (and get the best box instead of the only one with a timer...)

I have used (since about 1972) a learning remote that handles eight devices and has a clock in it. It is known as the Realistic 15-1901 (Memorex CP8 Turbo as well I hear) and can be had on eBay for a $15 "Buy It Now" price regularly. Just google it.

It will send any stream of commands to any/all of the eight devices by time. So turning on the CECB and setting channel, turning on the VCR/DVDR and starting the recording, etc, etc yields a lot of flexabiliy that a CECB timer cannot provide.

And being a learning remote you don't have to do the whole "IR Codes" thing. Add one IR repeater and the equipment doesn't even have to be in the same room!

I hope this steers people in a more enlightened direction than picking a box just because it has a timer ...

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Feel free to post other Make/Model numbers:

Realistic 15-1901 = 8-device unit
Realistic 15-1901A = 8-device unit
Realistic 15-1903 = 8-device unit
Memorex CP8 = 8-device unit
Memorex CP8 Turbo = 8-device unit
Sony RM-AX1400 = 12-device unit +USB Port (NO TIMER!, Sleep timer only)
SonyRMAX4000A = 16-device unit


I await an email as to whom makes this and what model it is:
http://www.newelectronx.com/proddeta...theater-remote
10-device unit




PDF Manuals, Etc:

Realistic 15-1901A
http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin...01a-manual.zip
http://support.radioshack.com/support_video/26219.htm

Realistic 15-1903
http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin...903-manual.zip
http://support.radioshack.com/support_video/26221.htm

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Now that's a idea I hadn't though of. That way I could have the PQ of my CM-7000s with S-video out and the flexibility to record from multiple channels. I'd just have to make sure the remote was positioned in front or in line of site of the CECB. I'd also have to make sure no one bumps the remote. People with cats(not me) may also have other worries. Their always jumping up on things bumping them over. I'd be PO'd if I came home to find the cat had bumped the remote on the floor and all my programs had recorded a blank screen. But it's sure a idea I hadn't thought of before, I didn't realize they had such a device.
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I'd have a tough time deciding whether to duct tape the cat or the remote

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I'd have a tough time deciding whether to duct tape the cat or the remote

Or the dog or the kids.
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I have noticed an awful lot of people in many threads holding out for the likes of the DTVPal for just the timer feature.

Another option besides a learning remote is a CECB that can be controlled with your computer like the Tivax.

The clock on the DTVPal is not 100% accurate and only has 5 timers.
A computer's clock can be a lot more accurate and have a LOT of timers.

All a person would need is the cable and a program like autoit to send the zmon commands at the appropriate time.

It could also change the zoom level unlike the DTVPal's timer.

The AutoIt program could also interface with a online guide like TitanTV to get the appropriate times and channels.

The drawback's are the program has not been written to do this yet
(I would have thought other Forum Members also know how to program), and the use of a nearby computer and null cable is needed.

Just another suggestion besides a learning remote.
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You have a good point on that one. But perhaps the suggestion lacks the application of the K.I.S.S principle.

(Almost) all motherboards, and all laptops have IR link ports. Sending IR codes with a small program puts us back in the "ANY" box arena again.

And the Desktop/Laptop doesn't have to be near it. IR ports that only send can be hundreds of feet of cheap speaker wire with an infrared L.E.D. and current limitng resistor at the end...

Now if we could only get all these dumb-ass networks to use the same (Atomic) clock! My market has a approximately a 3:45 spread from one station to the other at It's farthest two ends of the off-time ruler. No excuse for that in this day and age! Timebase generators and syncronization units by the rack full, and they CAN'T even get onboard with "Real" time... Go figure!

Oh, all the PBS stations (that also auto-update my DVDR/VCR clocks) are dead on by my PC's clock that is auto-updated by online atomic standard. At least someone has a clue in the networks. Wonder what the DTV impact will be on these off-time stations considering the new digital standard INCLUDES time data in all It's streams? I mean, there Isn't one CECB I've read about here that asks what station you want to auto-update the CECB's clock by... Big mess if you ask me when it comes to actually recording stuff. I've recorded from 5 minutes before scheduled start to 5 minutes after scheduled finish for 3 decades due to this problem (First VHS VCR = JVC's HR-3300 -- Introduced in the Fall of 1977).

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Admin/Mod,

Could you please update my thread name?

From:
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To:
Emulating CECB Timer Function By Remote/PC

Thank in advance for expanding the scope of the discussion so we don't have to open a new thread just for PC's

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Admin/Mod,

Could you please update my thread name?

From:
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Thank in advance for expanding the scope of the discussion so we don't have to open a new thread just for PC's

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Hey WeThePeople,

Great idea! Thanks for "thinking outside the CECBox"!

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You have a good point on that one. But perhaps the suggestion lacks the application of the K.I.S.S principle.

(Almost) all motherboards, and all laptops have IR link ports. Sending IR codes with a small program puts us back in the "ANY" box arena again.

They used to. Irda is now completely obsolete and is no longer included in most new computers and laptops. Even when it was included, compatibility with remote controls was not guaranteed. The easiest method these days is to build a serial port based ir transmitter assuming the computer still has a serial port. Many laptops longer have them. USB based IR transmitters are available, but they are harder to find let alone ones that are not chained to a proprietary piece of software. Some video capture cards had IR transceivers, but once you've got an ATSC tuner card, you no longer need to record on your VCR.

Linux gurus can use lirc found at http://www.lirc.org to implement their solution. Windows users have various software to use which I am not familiar with. The simplest serial port based devices are the ones most likely to be supported by the widest range of software.
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Wow, everything I own still has Irda ports...lol

Anyway, yeah serial port gadgets are well within practicality.

http://www.lirc.org/transmitters.html



But USB is still a fairly inexpensive option if
you have a whole bunch of equipment to control

http://iguanaworks.net/products.psp



Well in any event, Irda, Serial, Parallel ports will need software...
http://winlirc.sourceforge.net/overview.html

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(First VHS VCR = JVC's HR-3300 -- Introduced in the Fall of 1977).

I always wanted one of those SP only units. Closest I got was a HR-6700 which was a couple years later. It was 2/6 hour but of course had 2 heads dedicated for each speed. They sure don't "make em like that anymore" Mine haven't seen power for probably 10 years.
Sorry to get OT, but you started it
I like the IR idea, it will work with ANY cecb, not just ones with serial ports.
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I'm still looking at that remote with the USB port. Best of both worlds.

Is a learning device, and USB port ultra-programmable for clarity.
Also the setup can be backed up to a file in case.


Reviews:
http://www99.epinions.com/content_306747969156
http://www99.epinions.com/content_264918044292


PDF Manual:
http://www.docs.sony.com/reflib/docg...0,'Manuals

Ten bucks:
http://www.consumerdepot.com/products.asp?id=RMAX1400R


UPDATE: OH CRAP..I GOOFED...NO CLOCK/TIMER only a sleep timer!!!

(And...best picture I ever got wasn't Super-VHS...it was SUPER-BETA )

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Ok, so we can make a programmable remote or a PC output IR, so we can control any CECB and any recording device (or other IR receiving device). The cat can be spared losing its fur to the duct tape by using an RF remote/transmitter and then an RF receiver hooked to a blaster or two. Who has the software to make it happen for those without the time and/or ability to DIY?

Does anybody have a software solution to tie in TVGOS or some other program guide so we can select to record by program rather than manually entering program data? With MCE, Sage, or other is there any way to use the guide info to trigger IR events? I suppose if you have MCE or Sage you'd have an HTPC or PVR already, so would any of this be necessary?

Has this been discussed over at remotecentral yet? If so, could someone paste a link to the threads?
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Realistic 15-1901 = 8-device unit
Realistic 15-1901A = 8-device unit
Realistic 15-1903 = 8-device unit
Memorex CP8 = 8-device unit
Memorex CP8 Turbo = 8-device unit

Does anyone know what the differences are between these remotes?
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Sony RM-AX1400 = 12-device unit +USB Port

Does this one have a clock/timer? I could find no mention of that in the manual.
I'd post the URL but I can't until I have at least three posts...
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Only timer in that one turned out to be a sleep (off only) timer...

I posted that a few posts up as a correction BTW:

"UPDATE: OH CRAP..I GOOFED...NO CLOCK/TIMER only a sleep timer!!!"

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Only timer in that one turned out to be a sleep (off only) timer...

I posted that a few posts up as a correction BTW:

"UPDATE: OH CRAP..I GOOFED...NO CLOCK/TIMER only a sleep timer!!!"

Maybe you should edit the original post, so silly people like me won't miss that. Sorry about that.
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Done, TY

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Feel free to post other Make/Model numbers:

Realistic 15-1901 = 8-device unit
Realistic 15-1901A = 8-device unit
Realistic 15-1903 = 8-device unit
Memorex CP8 = 8-device unit
Memorex CP8 Turbo = 8-device unit
Sony RM-AX1400 = 12-device unit +USB Port (NO TIMER!, Sleep timer only)
SonyRMAX4000A = 16-device unit


I await an email as to whom makes this and what model it is:
http://www.newelectronx.com/proddeta...theater-remote
10-device unit




PDF Manuals, Etc:

Realistic 15-1901A
http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin...01a-manual.zip
http://support.radioshack.com/support_video/26219.htm

Realistic 15-1903
http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin...903-manual.zip
http://support.radioshack.com/support_video/26221.htm


How well to any of these handle the - (dash) needed for digital channel changing on current TV's? I bought a Sansui 19" LCD television at Wal-Mart's Black Friday sale and it needs the dash between the main channel number and the sub-channel to go into digital tuning.

I have the old Radio Shack 5-In-One Learning Light-Up Remote (15-2103) that I had been using with a 13" Quasar Combo unit (that the VCR part has gone out on) and RCA VCR. I got the DTVPal as my converter choice. I can operate all of these just fine with this remote.

The problem arises when I try to figure out a way to set it up for the digital part of the new TV. I can get it to turn on and off and change analog channels just fine. But. . . it is teaching it the dash that is needed to get it to tune digital channels that stumps me.

Thus, I have been considering a different remote. The idea of these with the clock intrigues me especially for recording for time shifting purposes in preference to what the Pal can do. But, given the age of many of these, is there a way to enter 008-001 for example as the digital channel you want to switch to?

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How well to any of these handle the - (dash) needed for digital channel changing on current TV's? I bought a Sansui 19" LCD television at Wal-Mart's Black Friday sale and it needs the dash between the main channel number and the sub-channel to go into digital tuning.

I have the old Radio Shack 5-In-One Learning Light-Up Remote (15-2103) that I had been using with a 13" Quasar Combo unit (that the VCR part has gone out on) and RCA VCR. I got the DTVPal as my converter choice. I can operate all of these just fine with this remote.

The problem arises when I try to figure out a way to set it up for the digital part of the new TV. I can get it to turn on and off and change analog channels just fine. But. . . it is teaching it the dash that is needed to get it to tune digital channels that stumps me.

Thus, I have been considering a different remote. The idea of these with the clock intrigues me especially for recording for time shifting purposes in preference to what the Pal can do. But, given the age of many of these, is there a way to enter 008-001 for example as the digital channel you want to switch to?

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I am glad to report that this morning (January 9, 2009), after reading of someone else being able to get the +100 key on a Radio Shack remote to learn a dash, I got mine to do so. It took another two tries but the good thing is it was successful in the end.

The ones with the clock still intrigue me as a more reliable way to time shift to VCR with the Pal. I will probably continue to check such places as ebay for one available without paying too much.

Thanks to any that commented on this.
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I am glad to report that this morning (January 9, 2009), after reading of someone else being able to get the +100 key on a Radio Shack remote to learn a dash, I got mine to do so. It took another two tries but the good thing is it was successful in the end.

The ones with the clock still intrigue me as a more reliable way to time shift to VCR with the Pal. I will probably continue to check such places as ebay for one available without paying too much.

Thanks to any that commented on this.
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RE: Teaching the (-)dash command to the Radio Shack 5-In-One Learning Light-Up Remote (15-2103)

For the benefit of someone else who may be looking for the same info at a later date, please post the details /procedures you used / and or link to this info....


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RE: Teaching the (-)dash command to the Radio Shack 5-In-One Learning Light-Up Remote (15-2103)

For the benefit of someone else who may be looking for the same info at a later date, please post the details /procedures you used / and or link to this info....

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I hope the following does help someone else as you suggested. What I am still wondering is which of the clock remotes discussed above would do the best job of controlling the DTVPal for time shifting to a VCR?

Now on to what I did. I discovered that additional attempts based on what is in my original owners manual worked. I did take both remotes to my dinning table this time rather than leaving them laying on the bed. If you no longer have your manual, this site has it and this particular part of the instructions is item 17 here http://www.hifi-remote.com/manuals/rs-l2.shtml?15-2103

I had gone to the site mentioned above based on one post and then came to this one http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post15506073 from 3FingeredGlove. Trying to manually enter the address as posted by 3FingeredGlove in the address bar got me a 404 Page Not Found but I could not identify what the error was after closely comparing what was in my history from earlier. So, mine might result in the same thing. If so, I would suggest starting with the home page rather than the part about manuals and work your way through the site. I have copied and pasted just item 17 here:

If there is a button on your original remote that is not present on your universal, or the button on the universal does not function properly, you can learn the commands from your original remote. There are four buttons specially assigned for learning (the four 'S' or 'L' buttons) but you can actually learn to any button on the remote (except SLEEP, FAV/SCAN and the device keys).

Line up your original remote and the head-to-head before completing the following steps.

1. PRESS and HOLD the SETUP button until the red LED flashes twice.
2. PRESS 9 - 7 - 5, the red LED will flash twice.
3. PRESS the DEVICE key where you wish to learn the function.

The next 3 steps must be completed within 10 seconds.
4. PRESS the button that will receive the learned function, the LED will flash rapidly.
5. PRESS the button on the original remote to be learned.

Now you can repeat steps 3 through 5 to learn other functions onto other keys or press and hold SETUP until the Cinema's red light flashes twice to lock in your new feature. (If the red light does not blink twice, stop and repeat steps through 6).

To test the new feature, press and release the device key in which the new feature was learned followed by the key on which the feature was learned.

NOTE: To learn to a 'shift' key, simply press SETUP before pressing the key in step 4 above.

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I have noticed an awful lot of people in many threads holding out for the likes of the DTVPal for just the timer feature. Another option is to just use a learning remote with a timer built in instead (and get the best box instead of the only one with a timer...)

I have used (since about 1972) a learning remote that handles eight devices and has a clock in it. It is known as the Realistic 15-1901 (Memorex CP8 Turbo as well I hear) and can be had on eBay for a $15 "Buy It Now" price regularly. Just google it.

It will send any stream of commands to any/all of the eight devices by time. So turning on the CECB and setting channel, turning on the VCR/DVDR and starting the recording, etc, etc yields a lot of flexabiliy that a CECB timer cannot provide.

And being a learning remote you don't have to do the whole "IR Codes" thing. Add one IR repeater and the equipment doesn't even have to be in the same room!

I hope this steers people in a more enlightened direction than picking a box just because it has a timer ...

Just to clarify, I take it that you HAVE already controlled a CECB and VCR/DVDR with this remote? Or does it just make since based on other things that you have done with it? Even though I have solved my problems with teaching the - (dash) to what I have I am very interested in getting one of these if I can do this more complete control with it.

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