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post #31 of 51 Old 09-25-2008, 04:16 AM
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I also see where they are now carrying a DVD recorder (Magnavox ZC320MW8) for $98.87

...which is being sold "illigally" since no TV reception device with a tuner should be without an ATSC tuner since 3/07.
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JVC should just make an ATSC-equipped VCR and be done with it.

They already have. Look harder. Not cheap, though.

I meant a standard VHS unit, not the $1500 Digital VHS.
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There isn't a tuner in the device. It's a Line-In only product .
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There isn't a tuner in the device. It's a Line-In only product .

I know a store that sold an NTSC equipped Maggie for a long time after the cutoff - I thought it was that model number.
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Retailers can keep on selling NTSC-only TVs and recorders, provided they label them clearly as such, with a warning that the tuners will be mostly useless after next February.

The deadlines in the ATSC-tuner mandates applied to manufacturers distributing devices to retailers.
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Is there any manufacturer that could make tuner upgrade kits that we could use to upgrade some of our analog devices to digital without having to use an external CECB. I've never opened my VCR to see, but if you could just open the case and swap out the tuner, that'd be pretty cool.
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...which is being sold "illigally" since no TV reception device with a tuner should be without an ATSC tuner since 3/07.

All tuner-equipped devices offered for retail sale in the USA must have an ATSC tuner if the product was manufactured on or after March 1, 2007.

Retailers are allowed to sell remaining product stock without ATSC tuners if the product was manufactured before March 1, 2007.

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All tuner-equipped devices offered for retail sale in the USA must have an ATSC tuner if the product was manufactured on or after March 1, 2007.

Retailers are allowed to sell remaining product stock without ATSC tuners if the product was manufactured before March 1, 2007.

it does require a certain worded label stating it does not have ATSC tuner. there are lots of cases of improper labeling especially online.

i've also seen where marketing may claim the tv to be digital (because of OSD of volume or channel) and hope people don't notice until after the return period that it has no ATSC tuner.
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Retailers are allowed to sell remaining product stock without ATSC tuners if the product was manufactured before March 1, 2007.

And I seriously doubt that Walmart with its huge turnover would have stock of NTSC DVDrs more than 6 months after that date - yet they were still selling them.
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I like those older NTSC devices (especially CRTs). They're perfect for hooking-up an old Playstation, Sega, or Atari game consoles. If you have a lightgun, they are essential.

I wonder if the day will come when televisions *don't* have NTSC tuners? That would effectively obsolete all devices made before 2008, and make it more difficult for collectors of antique equipment to keep them operational. (It's hard to play Nintendo 64 if you can't hook it up to your shiny-new set.)
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I would hope that they would leave at least some kind of modulator in them.

A lot of people like myself with Dish's dual-tuners would be SOL.
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I wonder if the day will come when televisions *don't* have NTSC tuners?

I wouldn't expect that day to come for a least a decade. IMHO it was a mistake for the government to not allow OTA NTSC tuners in the CECBs. They could have been added for little or no additional cost and would have been preferable to analog pass-through.
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I wouldn't expect that day to come for a least a decade. IMHO it was a mistake for the government to not allow OTA NTSC tuners in the CECBs. They could have been added for little or no additional cost and would have been preferable to analog pass-through.

I agree. Some people are having problems with APT...especially on the boxes with timers, as it can interfere with em.

I noticed on my Apex box when its in APT mode, a signal...like RF noise...is emitted casting a scrolling line of static on the screen...it's been aw hile since I used that one so I dont remember all the details, but I think it is documented in the DT250 thread..
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Tv sets without analog tuners might happen after low power stations are forced to go digital. However if a manufacturer makes one model for the whole USA/Canada/Mexico market then it won't happen until at least 2019.

How can we say "the digital transition is complete" when thousands of low power stations are still broadcasting in analog?
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I like those older NTSC devices (especially CRTs). They're perfect for hooking-up an old Playstation, Sega, or Atari game consoles. If you have a lightgun, they are essential.

Don't forget my Intellivision console or my Commodore 64.
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I wouldn't expect that day to come for a least a decade. .

I expect it to start next year. The cable cos will have a big push to also shut down analog so the only thing left at the end of next year will be LP OTA and a few cable chs in analog - a huge change compared to this year. When a TV maker is redesigning the chassis of a TV and sees no need to include something, they won't. Any TV (or TV related equipment) in the design stage next year probably won't include an analog tuner.
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Stopped by Target yesterday afternoon (along with K-Mart and CC) to check their CECB stock.

TARGET: nine RCA 809's, 19 Venturer G1's, 19 GE 22729's, and no Sansonic FT300A's.
K-Mart: DTVPal's 17, Zenith DTT901's 6, Magnavox TB100MG9's 3
Circuit City: Zenith DTT901's 60
Radio Shack: Order Only
I've never seen any on the shelf at the local Sears, although they always seem to find that they have ONE in their back room, if pushed.

These numbers only reflect what they had on the floor, not what they had in the back room.
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I can identify the brands at Kmart as Magnavox and Zenith and at Circuit City as Zenith, but cannot identify the brands you saw at Target by the model number. When I last went to my local Target on 09.13, they had four brands: Venturer, GE, RCA, and Sansonic.
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I would wait until Feb. 18th or 19th, 2009.

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Don't listen to Escape Velocity's advice unless you enjoy (a) long crowds, (b) empty shelves, and/or (c) price-gouging retailers selling $60 DTV boxes for $90. (cough) (solidsignal.com)(ahem)
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Don't forget my Intellivision console or my Commodore 64.

The Intelli-who? (shrug). Clearly inferior to the Atari's 1000-game collection. ;-)

My Commodore 64 uses either Composite or S-video, which requires an NTSC-compliant luma/chroma decoder. Same goes for Super VHS, standard VHS, or DVD players (older models). If TV manufacturers removed the NTSC chips, these units would stop working.
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Stopped by Best Buy yesterday and found they had these CECB's:

Insignia NS-DXA1: 2
Insignia NS-DXA1-APT: 9
APEX DT250: 26
APEX DT502: 9

Both the APEX and Insignia had their models intermixed, without any kind of differentiation.
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