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This box does indeed have the front display, dim but real.
It is all black, metal case, with louvers (not vents) top and bottom.
It has a 7 day epg, S-video and a good remote.

It doesn't seem quite as sensitive as the Channelmaster.
The only thing I don't like so far is the lack of the Zoom 1 like the CM.
It has three settings with one being like Zoom 2.
The picture looks very good, but seems to have hotter color, so that may be altering my impression.





http://www.trtinfo.com/Portals/27/PD...eet_Screen.pdf
http://www.ezdigitaltv.com/TRT_TACB-2009.html

It can be ordered direct from the factory now, with no coupons out.

More to follow.
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I thought the big question for this box was whether or not there was a working QAM tuner. Doubt it though, but what is the definitive answer?
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I don't think so.
I ordered with coupons.

They may modify the box now that the limitations are gone.
Everyone should list their desired features for a new hidef or lodef box.
I would suggest a timer setup with manual clock, multiple remote codes and of course, a full set of outputs.
And a zoom with less cropping.
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I'm beginning to distrust ezdigitaltv info, maybe it's too old. They say your 2009 should have a 14 day EPG and "Full or Partially zoomed output." If it truly has the "User Friendly 256 color OSD" then you can soften that hot color.

I recall other links on yonder thread showed that it is 'chipped' like a Zinwell 950 (Microtune tuner version). That might explain the single larger zoom if it's due to the ALi MPEG decoder/SoC.

Does it have "Favorite Channel Groups?"

I thought some of the other info showed one or both of the TRTs had timer programming. If one has all of these 'major' features:

S-video
Smart antenna
Timer programming
Long-ass EPG
Favorite channel grouping

and tunes well with nice PQ then this might be the near-ultimate box, assuming it's reliable.

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There is a timer with 8 settings.
The person I talked to at the factory was unaware of it.


The original sheets show a 14 day EPG.
The box says 7 day EPG.

http://www.trtinfo.com/Portals/27/PD...eet_Screen.pdf

The photo is correct except the box is black.
The 'cable in' is labeled as 'analog' in.
The manual says to use it for cable or vcr.

The menu offers digital audio feed out, but it is disabled.
The manual lists LPCM out or RAW DATA out.
You can not switch to DATA.
QAM may be the same.
Maybe these can be updated, if the hardware is in place?

The manual lists 8 favorites groups.

The TRT sheet linked above is the same in the manual except for a few items.
The manual lists 43 buttons on the remote.
There are 42 and an LED that lights up on use.
Weight is 1.3 kg.
Smart antenna is listed with 12VDC max 300 ma.
Power is max 6.5 W
With smart antenna max 10 W.

I think the OSD settings only control the onscreen display.

The manual is 60 pages, so it will take me some time to go through all this.

The box has been on for a day and runs very cool.
I have it setting on top of my GoVideo SVHS vcr, a version of the JVC tilting head 9000 series.
I am testing with the vcr on full edit (raw) and using the buffer.
I can try some different settings to see if it makes a difference.
I am running through the S-video and the rca video input.
S-video is much better.
The set is a 19" piece of crap, as I don't have access to the monitors now.
It is set on full sharpness.

I have loaned one box to the engineers at a local station and they will be testing it and offering opinions too.
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Through the menu rather than the direct audio button, you can switch to RAW DATA OUT, but I still get audio after a pause, so I doubt it is sending digital.
It offers the option of RF Power On/Off.

OSD Transparency options- Off 10% (default?) 10% 20% 30% 40% 50%

OSD Receiver Info in the menu
Receiver- ATSC Coupon Program
Hardware- 0.0.1
Software- atscS00_080829
Signature- Fri Aug 29 12:22:59 2008
Remote Control- ALI25C01

Signal displays onscreen-
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hmmmmm....this unit is starting to sound a lot like a ZINWELL 970....8 timer events, etc...maybe its a clone with added smart antenna, etc?

*** its high time to go back to OTA antennas and CANCEL our cable/satellite pay tv services! their greed is totally & insanely out of control! ***
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The manual lists an 8 day EPG and it will go back a few hours too, depending on station support.
Very useful.

I find a lot of remote interference from the Channelmaster remote.
Oddly I can't get the TRT remote to trigger anything on the Channelmaster.


Page 59 RCU Specification

Information for programming universal remotes.
This unit follows the codes of Zenith cable boxes.

This RCU uses the so-called NEC-format for the IR codes.
The transmitted code is combined from a user code and a function code.
The user code is 2 bytes long and the same for all functions of the remote control.
The user code of this remote is F708 hex.
There is a chart with codes for all buttons.
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hmmmmm....this unit is starting to sound a lot like a ZINWELL 970....8 timer events, etc...maybe its a clone with added smart antenna, etc?

I have a 970 and a 950 so I can dig one out and compare.
But my impression is that this one is superior to the Zinwell.
I just ordered another Zinwell today, and I'm sorry now that I found the timer functions on this one.
I do think that certain software and menus are bought and sold between designers, maybe along with certain hardware.
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I can get the EPG display to go forward 16 days past today.
It will go backwards equally, though I don't know if it will ever process ahead that far.
It doesn't seem to buffer EPG data well or process it quickly.
I can get two days ahead without too much delay.
Even though it has a grid, I have to tune to the other channels to get them to display most of the time, but not always.


Page 25

This converter box supports ATSC Off-air channels as well as different analog cable channels.
Standard channels (CABLE-STD), harmonically related cable channels (CABLE-HRC) or incrementally related cable channels (CABLE-IRC).
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I wouldn't consider this definitive.

Channelmaster = TRT Functions on box

Power = ?
Mute = Exit
Option = Prog Timer
Info = Pause
Menu = V chip
Fav = RF 3/4
Exit = Menu
Pg U = Ratio
Pg D = Vol Down
Back = Ch Down

/\\ = Ch Down
\\/ = Vol Up
< = Fav
> = Vol Up
OK = Ch Up

Ch + = Ch +
Ch - = ?
Vol Up = Mute
Vol Down = Vol Down

Blank Button = Audio
Audio = ?
Wide = Power Off but not on
Subtitle = Info
Text = List
Guide = ?

1 = CC
2 = Easy Install
3 = EPG
4 = ?
5 = Delete All Channels
6 = Signal
7 = Language
8 = Info (on but not off)
9 = Sleep
0 = Info (on but not off)
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The TRT timer is confirmed.
It operates with the box on or off.
The timer can be thrown by channels that have conflicting time on them.
The box offers a manual time setting.
I haven't tried that yet.


So far, I haven't found a remote conflict with the Pal Plus used on the TRT box.
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The Zinwell similarity makes me think a Zinwell may have the hooks in for options like smart antenna, S-video, and even QAM (may need a different or additional demodulator). Some early Zinwells did have what was termed a "hidden EPG" over yonder one of the Zinwell threads; a long EPG could be accessed with some other kind of remote. My CM remote also interferes with my Zinwells (there is/was a Zinwell post showing a cross-ref table too). My Zinwell remotes (ZRC-4501 and ZRC-4502) also do not effect my CM. My Zinwell manuals do not say what code is required for a U-remote.

Would be interesting to see how the 1009 compares to Zeniths/Insignias and Artecs.

Great stuff, THX!

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This converter box supports ATSC Off-air channels as well as different analog cable channels. Standard channels (CABLE-STD), harmonically related cable channels (CABLE-HRC) or incrementally related cable channels (CABLE-IRC).


So are you implying that the box can use analog cable signals or that the manual is incorrect?
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So are you implying that the box can use analog cable signals or that the manual is incorrect?

Just quoting the manual.
I don't know if it works for this.
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Did the tacb-2009 just come out recently, or has it been always available but nobody ever reviewed it? There was a only a little discussion of this box here earlier in the year. That thread was just speculation.

I wish I had this box with maybe a chance of QAM instead of the crappy Zinwell 950A whose timer and clock become corrupt whenever somebody here sneezes.
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It's been out.
Still available too.
I hope the clock is stable.
Better picture anyway.
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Does anyone know why I couldn't capitalize the thread title?

TRT TACB-2009
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So are you implying that the box can use analog cable signals or that the manual is incorrect?

Just quoting the manual.
I don't know if it works for this.

I saw some preliminary info that it supposedly has analog pass through (both models). That manual reference also suggests that. Have you given it a try?
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Did the tacb-2009 just come out recently, or has it been always available but nobody ever reviewed it? There was a only a little discussion of this box here earlier in the year. That thread was just speculation.

I wish I had this box with maybe a chance of QAM instead of the crappy Zinwell 950A whose timer and clock become corrupt whenever somebody here sneezes.

I think it was introduced at the NAB show early 2008. Don't know when it was actually available for purchase, but probably much later since the prototype and final unit have a different appearance -- I'm guessing roughly a year ago. I looked on mine for a country of origin and date of manufacture but didn't find a label.
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I tried running the antenna through the analog input.
No result.
I don't have an analog feed to run into it.
I don't think it has an analog pass through in the traditional sense, if at all.

There is a button on the remote that might be it.
I can't tell if it does anything.
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I tried running the antenna through the analog input.
No result.
I don't have an analog feed to run into it.
I don't think it has an analog pass through in the traditional sense, if at all.

There is a button on the remote that might be it.
I can't tell if it does anything.

If it has an analog RF pass through mode, it would be via the standard ATSC antenna input.

Got this post from another thread:
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"CECB Features List - 22Apr2008"



3. Boxes added to list (Not yet on CECB List):
DigitalSTREAM DSP6500N & DPS7500N (No info. available yet).
TRT TACB-1009, -2009, -S1 & -S1sa (See info. in spread sheet).
[I saw these at NAB and will provide a separate summary.]



================================
5.
PASS THRU in new boxes still in approval process for CECB List:
AccessHD DTA-1020D/U & DTA-1030.
Daewoo DAC-200/300.
Insignia NS-DXA1-APT.
MaxMedia MMDTVB02.
TRT TACB-1009, -2009, -S1 & -S1sa.
Zenith DTT901 (Insignia clone).

Also:
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TRT is a manufacturing firm located in Corona, CA with overseas import
connections. I picked up spec sheets at their NAB Convention exhibit:
http://www.trtinfo.com

It wasn't obvious, but I found four Converter Boxes are on their website:
http://www.trtinfo.com/Portals/27/PD...Data_Sheet.pdf
http://www.trtinfo.com/Portals/27/PD...Data_Sheet.pdf
http://www.trtinfo.com/Portals/27/PD...Data_Sheet.pdf
http://www.trtinfo.com/Portals/27/PD...eet_Screen.pdf

a. TACB-S1 uses the Ali M3601C SoC with a MediaTek 5xxx ATSC Decoder chip:
http://www.mtk.com.tw/Products/DTV.html

b. TACB-1009 uses LGDT1111C SoC/ATSC chip with LG tin-can tuner.

I saw the TACB-S1 and TACB-1009 in action at NAB Convention....
The TACB-1009 had an actual TV Program Grid display!!!!
LGDT1111 PQ wasn't as sharp as the TACB-1009.
TRT rep was aware of LG Audio problems....but didn't say anything about fixes....

TRT said they expect CECB approval for the first two boxes "any week now"
with others soon after....

c. TACB-S1sa adds Smart Antenna Interface.

d. TACB-2009 is top of the line with S-Video and Smart Antenna I/F.
It uses Ali M3601C SoC and Micronas DRXJ33 ATSC Demodulator with a
Microtune MT2131 Double Conversion tuner. FYI: Micronas ATSC chip similar to DRXJ33:
http://www.micronas.com/products/by_...ion/index.html

All units support Analog Pass Thru, Digital Closed Captioning and one or two week EPG.

Finally, an alternative box that "does it all"....the TACB-2009

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Sorry for the OT, but I just ran across this informative smart antenna post from April 2008. Sure hope the NAB and industry manufacturers eventually pull this thing together.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1266
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Since the input called "analog" was one named "cable", that port was probably designed to receive a cable tv signal which would be used by the QAM tuner if it was there & actually worked.
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Yeah the "ATSC IN" 'should' be the APT path so a splitter or extra antenna isn't required.

Could be the "ANALOG IN" is more of a switch port to pass the signal through to the TV. Maybe not even 'tuned.'

Try playing your VCR on these ports and using the appropriate 2009 mode switches (whatever those are). Would also be interesting to see if the signal comes out the composite and S-video ports to the TV (probably ANALOG IN only if it works at all); a tuner test.

Another tuner test is VCR on CH 3, 2009 IN on CH 3, 2009 OUT on CH 4, TV IN on CH 4. If it doesn't convert than it's not being tuned.
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Too bad it doesn't appear they marketed this better through the retail channels, could have sold a lot more units and made us happier. Ironic how we didn't become this aware of this brand until it was too late for the coupons.
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Hey THX, when you called them did they say 1009s were available? I'm wondering if that one ever made it to market.

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I remember this box, it wasn't out when I had coupons and called them.

The (Third) cable/analog input is probably like the older TV's had.

You could run the signal through a 2-port splitter,
one into the TV as usual,
the other into a pay-tv box.
The output of the descrambler went into that third jack.

Many people just put a vcr in that loop instead.

I could not find a pic of the remote anywhere,
nor an online manual of any kind to answer this ...

But I suspect it has two buttons for these two tasks.
One for the ATSC/NTSC APT (Analog Pass Through).
One for that third cable/analog input jack.
That jack might be limited to ch-2/3/4 input btw.

Anyone wanna post a pic of the remote perhaps?



I have written them an email requesting a full PDF manual for the TACB-2009.
If it is a link, I'll post it.
If a file, I'll attach it.



Here are a few extra links to augment holl_ands fine detective work.
They are from TRTinfo, and the Hong Kong SandMartin.com.hk. site.

Google TRTinfo.com Search - ''TACB''
Google SandMartin.com.hk Search - ''TACB''

TRTinfo.com - Set Top Box Catalogs

TRTinfo.com - TACB-1009 Product Page
TRTinfo.com - TACB-1009 PDF 1-Page Specs (av_ATSCBoxtTACB_1009.pdf)
TRTinfo.com - TACB-1009 PDF 2-Page Specs (TACB_1009_rev.pdf)

TRTinfo.com - TACB-2009 Product Page (Rather odd URL...)
TRTinfo.com - TACB-2009 PDF 1-Page Specs (av_ATSCBoxtTACB_2009.pdf)
TRTinfo.com - TACB-2009 PDF 2-Page Specs (TACB-2009_Data_Sheet_Screen.pdf)

SandMartin.com.hk - TACB-1009 Specifications Page
SandMartin.com.hk - TACB-1009 PDF Datasheet (FILE0566_TACB-1009.pdf)

SandMartin.com.hk - TACB-2009 Specifications Page
SandMartin.com.hk - TACB-2009 PDF Datasheet (FILE0567_TACB-2009.pdf)

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The 1009s were much more basic.
I think they sold out of them.


The manual has a picture with the cable/vcr going in the analog input.
The output to the TV is only through an RF cable.
The pictures with RCA or S-video output show all analog bypassing the box.
Not everything in the manual is accurate, but I think this means no analog processing of any kind, unless the cable scan is actuated and works for that.

There is a switch on the remote that is labeled TV/Radio.
I can't determine that it does anything.
It says it is for switching between TV and radio.

I am limited in what I can swap around on the VCR right now.
I will try to experiment further, if the factory can't clarify.

I'm not equipped to scan anything in.
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The remote is wide and flat and thin.
It runs on AAAs.
It is flat at the top and thicker and rounded on the lower portion with the batteries.
It works well in the hand, but is very slippery on any hard surface.
It easily skates off anything hard and unlevel.
There is a bright green LED activated with each button.
There is substantial feel to each button.
The output is powerful and well dispersed.
This is the best remote I have seen for a cecb so far.

The Power button is at the top left with the LED on the right.
Next is the TV/R below and Mute on the right.
Next is a 15 button keypad of numbers, with dash on the bottom left and Recall on the bottom right.

Next are 2 rows of three buttons.
PGUP above PGDN.
EXIT over MENU.
FAV+ over FAV-.

Then there is a circle of five buttons.
OK List is in the center.
/\\ CH+ at the top.
\\/ CH - at the bottom.
< V- on the left.
> V+ on the right.

At the bottom is a group of four rows of sixteen smaller buttons.

EPG.... CC.. RTG... FAV

LANG.. ADD.. V.... AUDIO

TIMER.. TIME... RATIO.. SLEEP

SIGNAL, RF 3/4, PAUSE.. INFO
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How about some pictures? And a peek under the hood at the motherboard?

Just to clarify, "timer with 8 settings" means...
...8 event timer in the same sense as ZAT9[57]0 or DTVPal?
...sleep timer that every CECB has with 8 increments?

So, the 7-segment displays are real. (!) (hell, !!!) How are "Power" and "Signal" on the front panel used?

Lastly, why the didn't this box get more publicity?

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I'm not equipped to do photos.

Eight real timer functions and they work whether the box is on or off.
The main power switch would have to be on.

I'm not willing to break the seal, unless the factory waives that, until the 90 day warranty is up.


Power LED - Red when off, Green when on
There is a master power switch on the back.


Signal LED - Bright yellow for a received signal

The signal LED is too bright for my tastes.
Needs to be more diffused, at least with the dim channel display.


Apparently no one that was on this forum bought one first.
As far as I can see, this is the best timer cecb so far.
A must have.
The only reason I'm keeping any zinwells, is because of possible remote conflicts.
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