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I like the fact that you get a $10 rebate if you already owned the DVD version, so the Blu-Ray version only cost me $15!

Some of the bright scenes are amazing for picture quality, especially the chapter where Scorpion is chasing the guys in the desert. Also, my volume level is fine on my disc, but I'm bitstreming DD 5.1 from my PS3 via optical. There sure is some nice bass effects in this movie.

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The transfer is very good and the sound effects can really show off a good audio system.

Unfortunately, this lasts all of about 15 minutes until you realize how bad the story is (kind of like viewing porn).
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The transfer is very good and the sound effects can really show off a good audio system.

Unfortunately, this lasts all of about 15 minutes until you realize how bad the story is (kind of like viewing porn).

I rather enjoyed the movie, although, I concede, it was a guilty pleasure that left me feeling a little ashamed of myself for having liked it.
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Yes, I thgouth transformers was kinda grainy when I watched it on my buddies bluray player
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I finally got to see the BD version of Transformers and loved it. I agree with Ralph's assessment that its audio and video are both reference quality. I made the mistake of watching this movie on HBO HD before I got the BD and it was a mistake. As usual, HBO shamefully cropped the film's 2.40:1 OAR to 16:9 and it was so bitrate starved, either by HBO or Cox OKC, there was BAD artifacting in the action sequences. The BD has neither of those flaws and its TrueHD soundtrack was great. I recently got a new subwoofer, a Hsu VTF-3 MK3 Turbo, and it made my viewing chair shake with every crash and explosion.

I thought that the story was all right, too. It's lightweight nonsense, of course, but it has a lot of sly humor, made the most of by a terrific ensemble cast. Shia LeBouf wears well and is funny, and you can't beat the supremely talented Jon Voight and John Turturro. I also enjoyed Megan Fox and Rachael Taylor, neither of whom is an overwhelmingly strong actress, but boy they are gorgeous!

I am generally underwhelmed by the extras on movie disks but Disk 2 of the Transformers BD was an exception. It contains more than two hours of commentaries by the cast and crew and an inside look at how the movie was made. It was fascinating.

I think those who approach this movie as a good natured adventure without a serious bone in its body but also looks and sounds great won't be disappointed.
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I finally got to see the BD version of Transformers and loved it. I agree with Ralph's assessment that its audio and video are both reference quality. I made the mistake of watching this movie on HBO HD before I got the BD and it was a mistake. As usual, HBO shamefully cropped the film's 2.40:1 OAR to 16:9 and it was so bitrate starved, either by HBO or Cox OKC, there was BAD artifacting in the action sequences. The BD has neither of those flaws and its TrueHD soundtrack was great. I recently got a new subwoofer, a Hsu VTF-3 MK3 Turbo, and it made my viewing chair shake with every crash and explosion.

I thought that the story was all right, too. It's lightweight nonsense, of course, but it has a lot of sly humor, made the most of by a terrific ensemble cast. Shia LeBouf wears well and is funny, and you can't beat the supremely talented Jon Voight and John Turturro. I also enjoyed Megan Fox and Rachael Taylor, neither of whom is an overwhelmingly strong actress, but boy they are gorgeous!

I am generally underwhelmed by the extras on movie disks but Disk 2 of the Transformers BD was an exception. It contains more than two hours of commentaries by the cast and crew and an inside look at how the movie was made. It was fascinating.

I think those who approach this movie as a good natured adventure without a serious bone in its body but also looks and sounds great won't be disappointed.

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Thanks very much for sharing your impressions gwsat..


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I experienced this as well. I thought it was my system. I will go back again tonight and listen. Anyone else hear this? Ralph, have you gotten an opportunity to give it a second listen? I found it to be rather pronounced.

**Update, I checked this at lunch, it is at these two scenes very pronounced, almost like a crackle.

I have heard the sound / crackle that you are speaking of. The two scenes, "aren't you glad you got in the car" and when John Voigt is talking about dismantleing "sector seven... the Laurentian abyss" etc. have a static noise to them.

I am using Klipsch RF-83 fronts and a Klipsch RC-64 center, processed by an Onkyo 805, and amplified by Emotiva XPA-2 amps. The speakers are highly effiicient and the crackle is very noticeable at levels well below reference. It may be just my disc, but it is not my system.

I tried Transformers BD on my other system, Marantz / JBL and noticed the same scenes have some static. It is not as noticable at the same level, but the JBLs are about 7-8 db less sensitive than the Klipsch speakers.

Other than those two scenes I thought the audio on Transformers was just spectacular. Just my .02.
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I have heard the sound / crackle that you are speaking of. The two scenes, "aren't you glad you got in the car" and when John Voigt is talking about dismantleing "sector seven... the Laurentian abyss" etc. have a static noise to them.

I am using Klipsch RF-83 fronts and a Klipsch RC-64 center, processed by an Onkyo 805, and amplified by Emotiva XPA-2 amps. The speakers are highly effiicient and the crackle is very noticeable at levels well below reference. It may be just my disc, but it is not my system.

This is the result of radio mics used during production breaking up.. some directors will live with the imperfection in saving the performance of the actors.
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Are you decoding internally in the player or outputting at Bitstream? There are a number of discs that have low volume with decoding in the player and this may be one of those discs.

Hi Ralph,

I hate to resurrect this topic but it's something that's really troubling me. I've verified over and over again the volume difference between Transformers THD track vs other movies and I really do need to up the volume about 6 or 7 DBs to level match.

As Dave pointed out, I am having my PS3 decode the soundtrack which is probably where the issue lies. I have checked and then checked again to make sure DRC is off on the PS3 and my receiver (Yammy RX-V661).

Can you please try this movie on your PS3 and let me know if you had to up the volume to your reference level vs when you watch it on your other BD player bitstreaming to your receiver. I want to see if you have the same problem as I do (if it's even an "issue" or "problem").

But the thing is, even when I up the volume, I don't find the track as dynamic as it could be. It really does sound like the sound track is being DRC'ed when I've verified my equipment does not have any DRC on (I've even checked while the movie is playing)
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Hi Ralph,

I hate to resurrect this topic but it's something that's really troubling me. I've verified over and over again the volume difference between Transformers THD track vs other movies and I really do need to up the volume about 6 or 7 DBs to level match.

As Dave pointed out, I am having my PS3 decode the soundtrack which is probably where the issue lies. I have checked and then checked again to make sure DRC is off on the PS3 and my receiver (Yammy RX-V661).

Can you please try this movie on your PS3 and let me know if you had to up the volume to your reference level vs when you watch it on your other BD player bitstreaming to your receiver. I want to see if you have the same problem as I do (if it's even an "issue" or "problem").

But the thing is, even when I up the volume, I don't find the track as dynamic as it could be. It really does sound like the sound track is being DRC'ed when I've verified my equipment does not have any DRC on (I've even checked while the movie is playing)

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No problem. I will check this and report back..


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No problem. I will check this and report back..


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Thanks Ralph,

Please post your findings...
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Please post your findings...

Greetings,

I checked on this. I did have to increase volume to roughly + 4db over what I listen to most BD content at although there are plenty of soundtracks that are like this. This was the case with both the PS3 and my reference player. I had no issue what so ever with limited dynamic range using the PS3 or my reference player.


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Greetings,

I checked on this. I did have to increase volume to roughly + 4db over what I listen to most BD content at although there are plenty of soundtracks that are like this. This was the case with both the PS3 and my reference player. I had no issue what so ever with limited dynamic range using the PS3 or my reference player.


Cheers,

Awesome, thanks Ralph. I know it's comparing apples and oranges, but I had just finished watching Resident Evil Extinction and that was a very aggressive mix. Then I decided to throw on Transformers right after and I found I had increase the volume quite a bit...but also found the mix less dynamic when coming from RE:E. Oh well, c'est la vie
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I like the fact that you get a $10 rebate if you already owned the DVD version, so the Blu-Ray version only cost me $15!

Can you explain this to me a little bit more? I didn't quite understand how this works.
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Can you explain this to me a little bit more? I didn't quite understand how this works.

There's a mail-in rebate that comes in the packaging of the Transformers BD. If you already own the Transformers DVD and you bought the Transformers BD, you can get $10 back from Paramount.

You need to fill out the mail in rebate and also cut off the proof of purchase from your DVD copy's sleeve and BD's sleeve and mail all of that information in to Paramount.

If the BD costs you $25 - $10(rebate) the BD ends up costing you $15.
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There's a mail-in rebate that comes in the packaging of the Transformers BD. If you already own the Transformers DVD and you bought the Transformers BD, you can get $10 back from Paramount.

You need to fill out the mail in rebate and also cut off the proof of purchase from your DVD copy's sleeve and BD's sleeve and mail all of that information in to Paramount.

If the BD costs you $25 - $10(rebate) the BD ends up costing you $15.

So this isn't store-specific, but Paramount-specific, eh?

And uh I actually need to cut it OUT? That's... that's just great. You don't need any of the old receipts, right? That thing is long gone.

Thanks, man. Any idea when this rebate would be due by?
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I loved this movie but I think the sequal is going to suck
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Where are you all buying this BD at? I went to several main chain electronic stores this weekend and nobody had it. One store "BB" claimed it wasn't out yet on Blue Ray! Correction: I just noticed on "CCity's" website you can order it online only.

Jasonsmith,

Its hard to tell if its gonna suck but I did have the opportunity of watching them film some scenes. They did about 3 weeks of filming here in Philadelphia back in June. The thing that sucked for me is that everytime they had the cars out in public, I wasn't around! I saw a lot of the other filming though.
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But sadly in dark parts of the movie which were quite a few.. it's very grainy..

It looks almost like 300, i think the problem is that since there was a lot of digital work on this film like in 300 i guess there was a lot of grain because of it.

Just so people know, i have a 52" Samsung, 1080P and i have a 1.3HDMI cable and it really sucks for it to be so grainy, i have calibrated my tv with the bluray DVE (Digital Video Essentials) my contrast and brightness are quite good on every thing else, and i'm actually pretty pissed about the grainy parts but the bright parts are jaw dropping...
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Its not just light vs dark parts. In the scene right after Sam and the girl fight off the little transformer and bumblebee throws the cop car into the power station its like night and day. When looking down the embankment at sam and the girl its extremely grainy. When looking up at bumblebee its perfectly clear. The scene cuts back and forth 3-4 times.

Then in the scene where you first see Optimus Prime transform out of big rig form its very dark and very grainy. So its not just the dark scenes or the CGI scenes. Luckily the Soccent base attack was high quality and pretty much everything at/after hoover.

I was very upset at Optimus' first scene being so bad.


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Elo,

Grain is supposed to be there...it is part of film. Also, low-light situations accentuate grain.

Why am I buying high def discs that have nearly menopausal swings in picture quality? It looks DVD quality in the grainy sections and then will look spectacular in the higher def sections.

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Where are you all buying this BD at? I went to several main chain electronic stores this weekend and nobody had it. One store "BB" claimed it wasn't out yet on Blue Ray! Correction: I just noticed on "CCity's" website you can order it online only.

Jasonsmith,

Its hard to tell if its gonna suck but I did have the opportunity of watching them film some scenes. They did about 3 weeks of filming here in Philadelphia back in June. The thing that sucked for me is that everytime they had the cars out in public, I wasn't around! I saw a lot of the other filming though.


Got mine at Target, but every where I have been has it, bb,cc, blockbuster video, walmart.

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I loved this movie but I think the sequal is going to suck

i have to disagree. i think this one was a little too kiddie. i think transformers 2 has an oportunity to be an empire strikes back. a more serious sequal with the dark forces gaining ground and a feeling of impending doom.

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Hey all, Great movie! Loved it & Megan Fox My DVD doesn't have a barcode or anything that shows proof of purchase? I bought the BD version and have the rebate form but have no idea how I'm going to get my rebate? Maybe send the cover in? Any thoughts or people with a similar issue?
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Hey all, Great movie! Loved it & Megan Fox My DVD doesn't have a barcode or anything that shows proof of purchase? I bought the BD version and have the rebate form but have no idea how I'm going to get my rebate? Maybe send the cover in? Any thoughts or people with a similar issue?

On the slipcover, there are two little boxes that say "Proof of Purchase" with a dotted line around it....cut one of them out along with the same P of P from your DVD copy and send it in
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Ya crazy thing is my cover is clear.. no boxes. see it on the BD version but my DVD has nothing. It's a canadian copy so not sure if thats why & I pre-ordered it from blockbuster so not sure whats up. I think I'll sent the cover in with a photocopy of the DVD and hope for the best. Cheers!
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I guess I see no reason to get the BD version of this, based on the reviews I've read and already owning the HD DVD version.

Diminishing returns seems to be in effect, as proven by every review I've read saying there's no discernible difference in video. Past a certain point, more bits thrown at the encode make no difference other than a higher number on a bit meter, which seems to please a lot of people.

And I mean no offense whatsoever to the reviewers here (thanks for all the great work, and please keep it up! ) but when phrases like "the bass seems to blend better" or "it seems cleaner" and "there's more extension, but don't expect more LFE" get thrown around, it does seem to point to placebo and the need to explain...somehow...that the lossless version does sound better than the lossy. (Just ask Bay, himself. )

I'd be willing to bet anything that if you played both of them in a blind listening test, no one would be able to tell the difference and identify which one was which, despite what I'm sure will be very loud protests to the contrary, here.

But the marketing that pushed lossless so hard is now biting those very same studios in the butt. Now people are reading the boxes, and the bulletpoint that's supposed to say "Uncompressed" or "TrueHD" or "DTS HD-MA" isn't there, and people are complaining, as though they'd even be able to hear the difference between a good DD+ 1.5 MB encode and the others. There are even threads dedicated to (complaining about) why lossless isn't on every title. I'm all for maximizing what the format can do, but double and triple-dipping for a bit-meter reading that doesn't produce something I can see or hear doesn't make sense to me.

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I guess I see no reason to get the BD version of this, based on the reviews I've read and already owning the HD DVD version.

Diminishing returns seems to be in effect, as proven by every review I've read saying there's no discernible difference in video. Past a certain point, more bits thrown at the encode make no difference other than a higher number on a bit meter, which seems to please a lot of people.

And I mean no offense whatsoever to the reviewers here (thanks for all the great work, and please keep it up! ) but when phrases like "the bass seems to blend better" or "it seems cleaner" and "there's more extension, but don't expect more LFE" get thrown around, it does seem to point to placebo and the need to explain...somehow...that the lossless version does sound better than the lossy. (Just ask Bay, himself. )

I'd be willing to bet anything that if you played both of them in a blind listening test, no one would be able to tell the difference and identify which one was which, despite what I'm sure will be very loud protests to the contrary, here.

But the marketing that pushed lossless so hard is now biting those very same studios in the butt. Now people are reading the boxes, and the bulletpoint that's supposed to say "Uncompressed" or "TrueHD" or "DTS HD-MA" isn't there, and people are complaining, as though they'd even be able to hear the difference between a good DD+ 1.5 MB encode and the others. There are even threads dedicated to (complaining about) why lossless isn't on every title. I'm all for maximizing what the format can do, but double and triple-dipping for a bit-meter reading that doesn't produce something I can see or hear doesn't make sense to me.

Just my 2¢.

ILJG -- My perception matches yours. Although I never bought an HD DVD player, the consensus seems to be that the HD DVD format consistently produced PQ as good, and sometimes better than, BD. I am not prepared to say that those with state of the art HT sound systems, including HDMI capable receivers, are not really hearing better sound from the latest and greatest HDMI only Codecs encoded on some BDs. Nevertheless, 1.5 Mb DTS or DD+ sounds great to me, at least as good as I hear in most theaters, even on my mostly middle of the road system. I am convinced that I would not benefit much, if any, from the new Codecs without first significantly upgrading my system. I may do it sometime but certainly not right away.
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I experienced this as well. I thought it was my system. I will go back again tonight and listen. Anyone else hear this? Ralph, have you gotten an opportunity to give it a second listen? I found it to be rather pronounced.

**Update, I checked this at lunch, it is at these two scenes very pronounced, almost like a crackle.

I've only seen the HD DVD version, but I also have the "crackle" when Megan Fox says "I'm really glad I got in the car with you." That and the disappointing bass of the HD DVD have made me want to buy the Blu-ray version. After reading this review, I think I'm going for it. Great job Ralph! I've always enjoyed your reviews both here and on htspot.

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I've only seen the HD DVD version, but I also have the "crackle" when Megan Fox says "I'm really glad I got in the car with you." That and the disappointing bass of the HD DVD have made me want to buy the Blu-ray version. After reading this review, I think I'm going for it. Great job Ralph! I've always enjoyed your reviews both here and on htspot.

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I've only seen the HD DVD version, but I also have the "crackle" when Megan Fox says "I'm really glad I got in the car with you." That and the disappointing bass of the HD DVD have made me want to buy the Blu-ray version. After reading this review, I think I'm going for it. Great job Ralph! I've always enjoyed your reviews both here and on htspot.

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It still blows my mind hearing anyone say the bass was dissapointing on the HD-DVD. This is one of the best for LFE/bass tracks I have listened to. Sounds like the BR is a slight improvement (somehow), but the HD-DVD is allready house crushing in the LFE/bass department.

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It still blows my mind hearing anyone say the bass was dissapointing on the HD-DVD. This is one of the best for LFE/bass tracks I have listened to. Sounds like the BR is a slight improvement (somehow), but the HD-DVD is allready house crushing in the LFE/bass department.

Absolutely! I do NOT believe it's anything inherent in the soundtrack other than needing to turn the volume control up by 4/5 db on your AVR. I run analog out on my HD-XA1 with the LFE calibrated at approx. 4 to 5 db hotter than the rest. The infrasonics in the soundtrack are amazing and this DD+ track is easily on par with lossless BR tracks I have.
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