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96






Studio and Year: MGM - 2008
MPAA Rating: PG-13
Feature running time: 106 Minutes
Genre: Action

Disc Format: BD-50
Encoding: AVC (MPEG-4)
Video Aspect: 2.40:1
Resolution: 1080p/24


Audio Format(s): DTS-HD 5.1 Master Audio, Spanish/French/Portuguese Dolby Digital 5.1
Subtitles: Spanish, Cantonese, Portuguese, Korean, English SDH, Mandarin
Starring: Daniel Craig, Olga Kurylenko, Mathieu Amalric. Giancarlo Giannini, Judi Dench
Directed by: Marc Forster
Music by: David Arnold
Written by: Paul Haggis, Neil Purvis, Robert Wade
Region Code: A

Blu-ray Disc release Date: March 24, 2009







"Bond is back, and he is NOT happy"



Film Synopsis:

Daniel Craig returns as James Bond in this thrilling, action-packed adventure which starts shortly after Casino Royale ends. Betrayed by the woman he loved, 007 fights the urge to make his latest mission personal. On a nonstop quest for justice that crisscrosses the globe, Bond meets the beautiful but feisty Camille (Olga Kurylenko),who leads him to Dominic Greene (Mathieu Amalric), a ruthless businessman and major force within the mysterious “Quantum” organization. When Bond uncovers a conspiracy to take control of one of the world’s most important natural resources, he must navigate a minefield of treachery, deception and murder to neutralize “Quantum” before it’s too late!




My Take:

Let me start off by saying that I liked Quantum of solace. It is a visually engaging film that sets a blistering pace that seems to continue right through to the credits. I think that may be part of its problem though. While I liked it, I didn’t find it to be stimulating from a conceptual standpoint. The pacing is simply too fast and character development too minimal. From what I could tell the premise is rather simple, payback. The Quantum organization and Dominic Greene really take a backseat to both Bond and Camille’s quest for revenge. I mean that’s fine but we really had no time to get to have any feelings one way or the other for the principle bad guys. Mr. White, who was billed at the end of Casino Royale as the guy James held responsible for the whole debacle with Vesper spent a total of 2 minutes in the film. General Medrano, the man pursued by Camille, gets one scene that offers a glimpse of what he is capable of but it’s late in the film and by then who cared? Mathis (Giannini) reprises his role from CR and assists James in procuring access to Greene. Mathis accompanies James (didn’t seem necessary) and things don’t turn out too well for him as a result. Then there’s the introduction of Fields, apparently an MI6 (clerical) operative who is sent by M to ensure that James returns to London as ordered. To that point everyone who tried to get James to follow orders, including M, has failed. How was this tall redhead expected to do what no one else could? From the moment she entered the picture it was obvious why she was present and what the outcome would be. Camille is quickly introduced with little to no background before James is putting it on the line for her (with no explanation).

It all just seemed rushed with the main focus of the story being blurry. I went back and re-watched several scenes to try and connect the dots. I wouldn’t say that it is overly complex because it’s not. I think it just felt disjointed due to the cryptic nature of Quantum’s explanation and the narrowly drawn characters that seem to exit almost as fast as they enter. Having said all of that there were some positives about this film. I like how it picked up where CR left off and more or less completed what it started. The relationship between Camille and James was unlike any previous Bond girl which was refreshing. Bond’s persona didn’t abruptly change and I appreciated that there seemed to be some closure for him. Hopefully we will see another side of the character which will still contain the same propensity for mayhem that this one has. The relationship between James and M took a positive step in the right direction. I complained about the narrow storyline but I have to admit that I absolutely loved the intensity of the action. The opening contains back to back chase sequences that are ruthless and captivating. I think over the course of the film the chase scenes run the gamut. They occur on foot, by sea, by car, and by air. There is plenty of hand to hand combat and gunplay. I enjoyed the brief yet truly visceral Bourne Series style encounter that takes place in a cramped hotel room.

So, is Quantum of solace a worthy sequel to Casino Royale? I would say that it is worthy but it is not a better overall film. It is far from slow moving and it contains some truly exciting action based sequences that are sure to keep interest high for thrill junkies (like me!).








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The rating is for intense sequences of action and violence and some sexual content.






AUDIO/VIDEO - By The Numbers:
REFERENCE = 92-100 / EXCELLENT = 83-91 / GOOD = 74-82 / AVERAGE = 65-73 / BELOW AVERAGE = under 65

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Audio: 98



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Quantum of solace comes to Blu-ray from MGM/Fox featuring 1080p AVC encoded video that has an average bitrate of 29 mbps and lossless DTS-HD 5.1 Master Audio sound that has an average bitrate of 3.8 mbps.

This is a reference quality presentation that is exemplary demonstration material. The video quality is impressive with its bold use of contrast, deep, vivid colors and rich dynamic blacks. I found both light and dark scenes to be equally engaging. Images have excellent depth and dimension as the panoramic camera shots of the lush tropical locations, and dry desert landscapes featured in the film have three dimensional quality. The various scenes shot at night offer deep image penetration, with lucid detail and punchy contrast. Shadow delineation is strong and blacks have appreciable gradational highlights that enhance depth perception. Whites are bright, detailed and dynamic. The sequence that takes place at the amphitheatre provides the opportunity to see the wide dynamic range inherent in this video presentation. From the bright interior shots, to the deep shadows in the backstage scaffolding, to the wide angle shot of the large audience sitting in the blend of natural and artificial evening light its stark imagery looked superb. High definition detail is first rate as the video is impeccably resolute, razor sharp and pristinely rendered. Grain is present, in fine, even layers that maintains a consistent textural essence over the course of the film.

The DTS-HD 5.1 Master Audio soundtrack offers a rewarding surround sound experience that will give your system a workout. The opening segment is a bombastic and aggressive chase sequence that literally energizes the room. The roar of the car engines, the crunching of metal and the visceral impact of heavy arms fire had superlative clarity, extended dynamic range, and potent room filling bass that was truly captivating. David Arnold’s terrific music score was spread over the entire system. The sound was evenly distributed as the orchestrated instruments are placed within the soundstage with excellent balance and rear channel presence that immersed the listening position without over emphasis. Bass associated with the music had taught, tangible extension, and articulated precision. The scene at the very end of chapter 13 that leads into chapter 14 offers a prime example of this. Listening as the music peaked during the crescendo I could detect the tonal pitch of the timpani and feel the palpable, low frequency strength of the bass drum strikes. This short segment sounded excellent. Sound effects were crystal clear and dynamically charged which gave them potent resolve that was underscored by powerful bass response that could be felt in every corner of the room. The mix makes effective and often aggressive use of the surround channels to elongate the front soundstage and reproduce the spatial and discrete sounds of this demanding soundtrack. The result is a 360 degree web of sound that is sometimes riveting as it bombards the aural senses. This was a thrilling home theater experience.

** CIH users should note that the subtitles are in the picture area.**



Bonus Features:


  • (HD) Music video “Another way to die“ featuring Jack White and Alicia Keys

  • (HD) Bond on location - 24 minute featurette

  • (HD) Start of shooting - 3 minute feature

  • (HD) On location - 3 minute feature

  • (HD) Olga Kurylenko and the boat chase - 2 minute feature

  • (HD) Director Marc Forster - 2 minute feature

  • (HD) The music - 2 minute feature

  • (HD) Crew files - Michael F. Wilson, James Grant, and Ana Endara

  • (HD) Theatrical teaser # 1

  • (HD) Theatrical trailer # 2




Final Thoughts:

Quantum of solace is an action packed Bond adventure that keeps the adrenaline pumping. Its storyline isn’t as interesting as its predecessor’s but in looking at both films as a whole the combination makes for a complete story. MGM/Fox has done a spectacular job with its presentation on Blu-ray Disc. This is a reference quality high definition experience that offers outstanding audio/video quality. The bonus content was just average although I enjoyed the Bond on location feature. The rest just seemed like snippets or add on pieces that offered little. Regardless this is a disc worth having if you enjoy Bond, James Bond. Recommended.









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I went to see this in the theater and it was so out of focus that I couldn't watch it. My wife attributes it to me watching too much HD lately. During the opening credits we left, found a manager and got our money back. I never did go back to see it and have been waiting to see it on Blu. This will definitely be a blind buy on Tuesday.
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I was so disappointed in this movie yet I want to give it another chance by watching the Blu Ray release. I'm a huge Bond fan, even of the not so great films so it has to be added to my collection. I only wish it had been more like Casino Royale which just seems almost the perfect film. I never grow tired of rewatching CR and I certainly hope they recapture the magic in the next Bond outing. If they can get Martin Campbell to helm the next one I think it would be a step in the right direction.

Oh...DTS-MA on this...nice!


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Thanks for the fine review, Ralph. I appreciate the breakdowns on the various quality factors.

I recommend a Casino Royale/Quantum of Solace double feature, because they're basically one 4-hour movie. QoS does not stand alone. But my main problem with QoS (which I enjoyed enough to get this bD) was the way the action scenes were shot: they were rushed and the perspective was so dominated by close-ups that they lost their scope.

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But my main problem with QoS (which I enjoyed enough to get this bD) was the way the action scenes were shot: they were rushed and the perspective was so dominated by close-ups that they lost their scope.

Well put. This is another reason why I'm giving the Blu Ray a chance. I want to watch those scenes again to take everything in. The way I describe this film to my friends is that the action dictated the story rather than the story dictating the action. That's where it missed the boat in my opinion.


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Ralph, I give you a lot of credit.
I know the movie was panned by a lot of people who compared it to Casino Royale.
However, it's obvious you do not let quality of the acting and plot bias your judgment on the rest.

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I'd enjoy it a lot better if someone could explain these things...

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During the boat chase, how does Bond get the boat to flip over when he hooks the grappling hook to it? I could see if it was hooked up to a dock or something, but it looked like it came from his boat?

In the very beginning, when the traitor bodyguard turns to free Mr. White, is M running away? Bond is fighting for his life, and she splits?

Finally, why does Bond throw Mathis' body in a dumpster? To look like a robbery????
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Can not wait to get this tomorrow. All the reviews I have read have me drooling for that opening chase.

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I was so disappointed in this movie yet I want to give it another chance by watching the Blu Ray release. I'm a huge Bond fan, even of the not so great films so it has to be added to my collection. I only wish it had been more like Casino Royale which just seems almost the perfect film. I never grow tired of rewatching CR and I certainly hope they recapture the magic in the next Bond outing. If they can get Martin Campbell to helm the next one I think it would be a step in the right direction.

Oh...DTS-MA on this...nice!

My sentiments exactly. I preordered this because...

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I went to see this in the theater and it was so out of focus that I couldn't watch it.

...when I saw it the right front dialog speaker was blown, so we got that warble whenever anything came out of that side. There was something intermittently masking the top of the screen. It was so bad that my niece said "I can't wait to see this on your theater, Uncle Marc. It's pretty bad when teenagers notice, too.

Bond is different than Bourne. There is room in the cinema for both of them.

Thanks for the review, Ralph. I base a lot of my purchases on your opinion.


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I'd enjoy it a lot better if someone could explain these things...

I took a stab at your second question.

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I believe this is because "M" is too important to "get her hands dirty" you might say. She makes it very clear in the first movie that the double 0's are expendable and she has no allegiances to them. She only exchanges niceties with Bond because she thinks he is different than the rest, or might be. Remember, at this point "M" considers Bond damaged goods and she probably made a judgment call in leaving him alone, figuring that he could either handle himself or he would die and this would just be collateral damage from the last mission. Besides, what could an old woman do in a fist fight or gun battle to help Bond. She could not risk being captured or killed so it only made sense to me although it did look strange at first glance.


Oh, and thanks for the tip on the spoiler tags there, I did not know how to do that until now.


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I took a stab at your second question.

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I believe this is because "M" is too important to "get her hands dirty" you might say. She makes it very clear in the first movie that the double 0's are expendable and she has no allegiances to them. She only exchanges niceties with Bond because she thinks he is different than the rest, or might be. Remember, at this point "M" considers Bond damaged goods and she probably made a judgment call in leaving him alone, figuring that he could either handle himself or he would die and this would just be collateral damage from the last mission. Besides, what could an old woman do in a fist fight or gun battle to help Bond. She could not risk being captured or killed so it only made sense to me although it did look strange at first glance.


Oh, and thanks for the tip on the spoiler tags there, I did not know how to do that until now.

Thats what I was thinking but hoping I was wrong...
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I'd enjoy it a lot better if someone could explain these things...

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During the boat chase, how does Bond get the boat to flip over when he hooks the grappling hook to it? I could see if it was hooked up to a dock or something, but it looked like it came from his boat?

In the very beginning, when the traitor bodyguard turns to free Mr. White, is M running away? Bond is fighting for his life, and she splits?

Finally, why does Bond throw Mathis' body in a dumpster? To look like a robbery????

Greetings,

shamus, here is my take on the other things you mention.

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I have no idea how he manages to flip that boat over but I thought the very same thing. The editing is so choppy there it is hard to tell. I think he threw Mathis in the dumpster for the sake of expediency. They needed to move right away and he knew that the local police were corrupt and would try and pin the murder on him.


I agree with dropzone's thoughts on question #2.


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Another movie not in 7.1
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Blockbuster is sending me this one this week....hopefully it's just as good as Casino (although i will miss Vesper)
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Great review Ralph.

I am planning to watch Casino Royal and QOS back to back this weekend. This should be a fun experience.
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Good review, seemed spot-on to the film. I'll probably buy it for the first few action sequences especially that first chase scene. I agree the plot did feel very rushed and didn't really engage me. The boat sequence was good as well, but the plane scene and the final showdown seemed very cartoony and forced IMHO.
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excellent review.

can't wait to see this when i pick it up later this week. plan on doing a back to back with casino royale.
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can't wait for mine to arrive from the big river tomorrow... double feature night in the ccotenj household...

i'll second what a lot of others said... i think the chase scenes are going to be a lot easier to follow at home..

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The boat that bond flips is a zodiac. It's like a big inner tube so basically he popped it, like a giant tire. Therefore the pressure of the released air propelled it. That and it just looked cool.

The body was put in the dumpster because if it was left out it would be found quickly and if he had taken it with him it would have been suspicious if anyone stopped them.

In the interrogation scene the traitor shoots the guard and then tries to shoot M so she was just running for cover. She had no weapon and either went to get reinforcements or to save herself due to her VIP status.
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Ralph,you always did a good job,for this Bond,I l love the audio part very much.
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Thank you for the review Ralph!

I must admit that prior to watching the movie I didn't have that much of an expectation of this movie but I was pleasantly surprised watching it as it was entertaining and enjoyable albeit lacked the solid story of the first one. I liked it.

I like the new gradually expanding plot of this new crime organization with roots everywhere. It's like SPECTRE but more sophisticated. They should work on this slowly because the potential is a lot.
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Sir.,
Thank you for your great review. Exactly what I was expecting from you. Most reviewers I read before did not get the fact that QOS is more like the continuation of CR and gave QOS unnecessarily some bad reviews.

I stayed away from theaters during showing time because I wanted to see it at home. Luckily the wife let me be. I will go pick up a copy today.
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The boat that bond flips is a zodiac. It's like a big inner tube so basically he popped it, like a giant tire. Therefore the pressure of the released air propelled it. That and it just looked cool.

The body was put in the dumpster because if it was left out it would be found quickly and if he had taken it with him it would have been suspicious if anyone stopped them.

In the interrogation scene the traitor shoots the guard and then tries to shoot M so she was just running for cover. She had no weapon and either went to get reinforcements or to save herself due to her VIP status.

That will work! Thanks.
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Thanks for the review, I think I will go out lunch time today to pick me up a bluray copy.
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The scene that really knocked me out as far as audio immersion goes is:

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The lack of any background music or noise made the sounds jump out into the listening room. So far this is the thing that has impressed me about the HD audio codecs the most is how well they handle silence. With the dynamic range they afford, lack of background noise can be a powerful tool.
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Can you tell us about sub tiltles info for cih set up
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Nice review Ralph. You basically hit on all of the shortcomings that I felt on seeing this in the theater. Action for action's sake. A revenge film that loses its focus early on and then disintegrates into a series of action pieces. This movie is about as non-Bondish as one can get and still retain the 007 logo. In spite of all of this my pre-ordered Amazon copy will be arriving soon, I guess I'm a glutton for punishment or I'm hoping I will see it in a new light now that my initial disappointment has passed. I'm thinking that the next Bond film will be a big step up from QOS especially if they bring in a new writer(s) and director - Martin Campbell would be my first choice as someone else pointed out earlier. I loved Daniel Craig in Casino Royale and hope that as the credits used to say that the real 'James Bond will Return'.

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Can you tell us about sub tiltles info for cih set up
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I know, right? Casino Royale had the subs half in the frame and half out of it. Well, they changed the audio, maybe they changed the subs as well .

I am getting this from Netflix today (on release day, woohoo!) so I should be watching it in like 3 hours. I watched Casino Royale (again) last night in anticipation. Can't wait!!
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I'm thinking that the next Bond film will be a big step up from QOS especially if they bring in a new writer(s) and director - Martin Campbell would be my first choice as someone else pointed out earlier. I loved Daniel Craig in Casino Royale and hope that as the credits used to say 'James Bond will Return'.

I know I'll probably receive flack (spelling?) for this, but Daniel Craig is my favorite Bond so far. To be fair, I have only seen him in one Bond movie, so I guess I should reserve that judgment slightly. I mean, it probably doesn't hurt that CR on BD looked and sounded better than any other Bond I have seen.
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My copy is on the way from Amazon and I am looking forward to it regardless of some of the negative comments I've read here and elsewhere. At 106 minutes, this has to be the shortest Bond film to date. Am I correcet ?
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