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98






Studio and Year: Miramax - 2005
MPAA Rating: R
Feature running time: 124 Minutes
Genre: Action

Disc Format: BD-50
Encoding: AVC (MPEG-4)
Video Aspect: 1.85:1
Resolution: 1080p/24


Audio Format(s): English DTS-HD 5.1 Master Audio, Spanish Dolby Digital 5.1
Subtitles: English SDH, Spanish
Starring: Bruce Willis, Mickey Rourke, Jessica Alba, Nick Stahl, Clive Owen, Rosario Dawson, Benicio Del Toro, Brittany Murphy, Elijah Wood, Michael Madsen, Powers Booth, Carla Gugino
Directed by: Robert Rodriguez, Frank Miller, Quentin Tarantino
Music by: Robert Rodriguez, John Debney & Graeme Revell
Written by: Frank Miller based on his Graphic Novels
Region Code: A,B,C

Blu-ray Disc release Date: April 21, 2009







"There is no justice without sin"



Film Synopsis:

An amazing cast of big-screen favorites is directed by Robert Rodriguez, Frank Miller - and special guest director Quentin Tarantino in an acclaimed and visually stunning hit that's the coolest movie of the year! Straight from the pages of Miller's hip series of Sin City graphic novels, Bruce Willis stars as a cop with a bum ticker and a vow to protect a sexy stripper; Mickey Rourke as an outcast misanthrope on a mission to avenge the death of his one true love and Clive Owen as Dwight, the clandestine love of Shellie, who spends his night defending Gail and her Old Town girls from a tough guy with a penchant for violence. Also starring Elijah Wood, Nick Stahl, Michael Madsen, Carla Gugino and Michael Clarke Duncan.




My Take:

Sin City for those that don’t know, is a film based on the graphic novels by comic legend Frank Miller. The film is co-directed by Miller along with Robert Rodriguez and guest director Quentin Tarantino. This is a film unlike any other as it carefully depicts the stylistic, brutal and slick noir world that is realized in Miller’s Sin City. Three tales are interwoven as the film faithfully captures the incredibly artistic and stark visual style of Miller’s pen. I won’t go into a synoptic breakdown of the stories as I would hope that most who are reading this is familiar with them. Suffice it to say this is one of the coolest and visually enticing action films available today. I love the throw back dialogue, running narration, dark characters and cool visual design. Its release on Blu-ray Disc is one of the most anticipated since the formats inception. Disney didn’t disappoint as they included the restored theatrical version as well as a recut, extended, unrated version that is 23 minutes longer and breaks each of the stories out telling them separately in their entirety. This includes the Josh Hartnett pieces that open and close the theatrical version. I thought that this was a nice touch but preferred the interwoven telling of the theatrical story. Seeing them separately didn’t have the same flow and left them feeling unable to completely float on their own. Some may feel differently but its nice to have the option. The direction is ultra slick, action/violence abounds, and the cast is loaded with notable faces that includes big screen veterans, and some of today’s sexiest young actresses. For those who have seen this cinematic opus and didn’t get it I would suggest that you give it another spin on Blu-ray Disc. Personally, I am glad that I do get it because this movie is just loads of fun and offers a unique, visually engaging perspective that comes right from the mind of Frank Miller.




Parental Guide:

The rating is for sustained stylized violence, nudity, and sexual content/dialogue.






AUDIO/VIDEO - By The Numbers:
REFERENCE = 92-100 / EXCELLENT = 83-91 / GOOD = 74-82 / AVERAGE = 65-73 / BELOW AVERAGE = under 65

**My audio/video ratings are based upon a comparative made against other high definition media/blu-ray disc.**


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Audio: 96



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Video: 100


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Sin City comes to Blu-ray Disc from Miramax/Disney featuring 1080p AVC encoded video that has an average bitrate of 24 mbps and lossless DTS-HD 5.1 Master Audio sound that has an average bitrate of 4.4 mbps.

I was always impressed with the video quality of this film on DVD but the high definition presentation on Blu-ray Disc is breathtaking. Images are pristinely rendered with exquisite high level detail and incredible depth. The opening sequence of “That yellow bastard” has a close up of Bruce Willis standing in the foreground with Michael Madsen in the background. I could make out the individual hairs not only in the stubble on Willis’ face but the tiny/fine hairs protruding from his neck near his collar line. The supple lips of Jessica Alba, the deep or shallow wrinkles on the face of Powers Booth, or the pattern of small hairs in the eyebrows of Rutger Hauer all had excellent delineation. This was also applicable to objects and clothing within the frame. Black and white levels held dominion over the visual aura as each offered quality that enhanced perspective. Blacks were inky and rich while contrast was fervent, bold and stark. Grays were gradational and variably detailed. Shadows were deep and incredibly dimensional. The superb visual design used uneven lighting, intentionally blown out whites and splashes of rich vibrant color that looked succulent against the film’s black, white and gray backdrop. This video presentation was everything that I hoped it would be as it looked magnificent.

The DVD included both Dolby Digital and DTS soundtracks and I thought that both sounded quite good. The high resolution lossless DTS-HD Master Audio ratchets it up a notch or two and breathes new life into this soundtrack. I just added the new Sherbourn 7/200 multi-channel amp to my review system and I looked forward to putting it to the test with this Blu-ray Disc. The thing that immediately leaps forward is the crisp, room penetrating dialogue. The running narration is prominently displayed as it dominates the front soundstage without overpowering it. There is a subtle hint of mid bass bloat but otherwise this is dialogue that is as articulate, subtlety intonated and defining as I have heard in my room. Dynamics are energy filled and potent which gives extra clarity and weight to the plethora of sound effects featured in this intricate sound design. Low frequency effects provide bass response that is proportionate in strength and never feels excessive within the mix. Bass has concussive authority that occasionally reaches levels that approach infrasonic depth. This punctuates gunfire, adds muscle to the sounds of car engines, impact to landing punches, and china rattling weight to claps of thunder. The surround channels are actively engaged as discrete pans and spatial dimension blanket the listening area. The front and rear sound stages are neatly blended to create a cohesive atmosphere that allows the sounds of hovering helicopters, whizzing bullets, or speeding cars to traverse the sound field. The film’s music permeates the room and has an open, detailed and lucid quality that enriches the auditory. This is a great surround sound mix that offers superb demonstration material.



Bonus Features:


  • Disc 1:

  • Theatrical version

  • Cine-Explore: PiP interactive visual commentary
  • Audio commentary with Robert Rodriguez and Frank Miller

  • Audio commentary with Robert Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino

  • 5.1 channel audio track featuring a recording of the Austin audience reaction

  • Disc 2:

  • Recut, extended, unrated version - adds 23 minutes to the theatrical cut

  • Kill em good: Interactive comic book

  • How it went down: Convincing Frank Miler to make the film - 5 minute featurette

  • Special guest Director: Quentin Tarantino - 7 minute featurette

  • A hard top with a decent engine: The cars of Sin City - 7 minute featurette

  • Booze, broads, and guns: The props of Sin City - 11 minute featurette

  • Making the monsters: Special make-up effects - 9 minute featurette

  • Trench coats & fishnets: The costumes of Sin City - 7 minute featurette

  • Teaser and Theatrical trailer

  • Rodriguez special features:

    1. 15 minute flic school - Sin City
    2. All green screen version
    3. The long take
    4. Sin City: Live in concert
    5. 10 minute cooking school

  • D-BOX motion code enabled




Final Thoughts:

Sin City is a personal favorite and is a film that is primed for the Blu-ray format. Disney has done a superlative job with this much anticipated release as it is a reference quality audio/video extravaganza that is simply captivating. The bonus content includes Blu-ray Disc exclusives, informative inside information, and a nice look at the production through interviews and commentary from the cast and crew. This is by far one of the best Blu-ray packages that has graced my collection. Highly recommended.









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Nice review.
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Wow... Nice review... I expected a lot, but sounds like I will still be blown away... couldn't believe the score when I saw it lol... thought that was reserved for CG movies lol.


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Great review Ralph,

Sin City is one of my favorite movies. I can't wait to see it in 1080p blu ray! I noticed that this collection contains the recut version on the second disc. Is this the version that marries all the short stories into one continuing feature?

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Been waiting on this one for a long time. Haven't seen The Spirit yet, but I think that one will be a rental.
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Does the recut version play like the Special Edition DVD where you had to play each segment to see the uncut version? I want it to play all the way through instead of choosing each segment. That was a big dissapointment on the DVD version.
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Excellent review of a cult masterpiece that can be easily misunderstood at first viewing and that forces one to view multiple times.

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Does the recut version play like the Special Edition DVD where you had to play each segment to see the uncut version? I want it to play all the way through instead of choosing each segment. That was a big dissapointment on the DVD version.

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It will play all the way through one segment after the next or you can select them one at a time in the menu.

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Are both versions equal with regards to the image quality.

I know to some that may be a silly question but i believe Boondock Saints and some other film comedy with Vince Vaughn in it used different masters and thus had different image quality for alternate editions of the movie so i am wondering if both cuts look identical and which one did you watch ?
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Are both versions equal with regards to the image quality.

I know to some that may be a silly question but i believe Boondock Saints and some other film comedy with Vince Vaughn in it used different masters and thus had different image quality for alternate editions of the movie so i am wondering if both cuts look identical and which one did you watch ?

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M, I watched both and saw no difference in quality.


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The million dollar question for me is how the audio/video compares to the Canadian barebones release? Is it the same encode?
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This movie is way better than the sequel The Spirit. I might actually buy this one especially with a score of 98!

Since this film is in Noir the black levels on it must be off the scale?

A bit off topic question below though.

Disc Format: BD-50
Encoding: AVC (MPEG-4)
Video Aspect: 1.85:1
Resolution: 1080p/24


Audio Format(s): English DTS-HD 5.1 Master Audio, Spanish Dolby Digital 5.1

Sometimes i see PCM. What exactly does that mean? Is that suppose to be better than the DTS-HD or no or is it just something totally different? Just trying to understand. Thanks in advanced.

And thanks for the usual review Ralph.

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So you can play the recut, extended edition all the way through? I might buy it then. That's what I hated about the special edition DVD, you had to play each segment if you wanted to see the uncut version.
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This movie is way better than the sequel The Spirit.

What! That is not true?

I have a 2-part question.

A. How is the extended cut? Better than the theatrical cut?
B. Are any of the extra in HD?
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So you can play the recut, extended edition all the way through? I might buy it then. That's what I hated about the special edition DVD, you had to play each segment if you wanted to see the uncut version.

Greetings,

Yes it will play all the way through.


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I have a 2-part question.

A. How is the extended cut? Better than the theatrical cut?
B. Are any of the extra in HD?

I stated my opinion in the review, please read it. The bonus features are not in HD. I denote it in the review when they are.


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This movie is way better than the sequel The Spirit. I might actually buy this one especially with a score of 98!

Since this film is in Noir the black levels on it must be off the scale?

A bit off topic question below though.

Disc Format: BD-50
Encoding: AVC (MPEG-4)
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Resolution: 1080p/24


Audio Format(s): English DTS-HD 5.1 Master Audio, Spanish Dolby Digital 5.1

Sometimes i see PCM. What exactly does that mean? Is that suppose to be better than the DTS-HD or no or is it just something totally different? Just trying to understand. Thanks in advanced.

And thanks for the usual review Ralph.

Cheers

Greetings,

James, PCM stands for pulse code modulation. The uncompressed PCM datastream is an audio option with attributes similar to those of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA in that they are all lossless. This is the simplest explanation. There are many answers that can be found online that will go further. This isn't the place to go into it but I wanted to give you enough to provide an idea.

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O, so it doesn't play like the theatrical cut? Forget it then. I'll just keep the special edition DVD version.

Now if they can come out with The Whole Bloody Affair (Kill Bill saga) I would be an extremely happy man.
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I loved the flow of the theatrical, why couldn't they do the same for the recut?
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Eww, sorry! Thanks, and great review!
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How often do movies get 100% video reviews ... I like this movie and its looking like a buy with ratings this high.

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I guess I expected more out of this movie. I liked it, but it wasn't anything special. I found some of the acting to be painfully bad (Michael Madsen gave perhaps the worst big screen performance of that year). Some of the storylines could have been a little more interesting, or saved for a sequel too.
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Wow I haven't seen this flick since it's theater release on Imax, wiped it out my mind b/c I new I wouldn't never experience what I saw there.....I must buy this!

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Hmm... I was unaware that Sin City was not out in the States.

My Canadian Blu-Ray specs:

The Audio format is listed as English DTS, English 5.1 Dolby Digital

The Video is listed as 1080p 1.78:1

I guess I cannot complain since I have had it for awhile and it cost $9.99 at Walmart for the Blu-ray.

Wonder what the audio/video difference would actually be.
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The great scores,you gave.Bruce Willis was the true die hard in this movie.I love this film,also will pick one of BD.Nice review,my appreciated,thanks.
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It's DTD HD MSTR and very sweet.

98 is correct Ralph, but once in awhile it's 101. I just like the film.

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It's DTD HD MSTR and very sweet.

98 is correct Ralph, but once in awhile it's 101. I just like the film.



What' DTD?

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Typo, or I might be holding out on a new superior audio remix.

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I guess I expected more out of this movie. I liked it, but it wasn't anything special. I found some of the acting to be painfully bad (Michael Madsen gave perhaps the worst big screen performance of that year). Some of the storylines could have been a little more interesting, or saved for a sequel too.
And don't get me started on Jessica Alba....you played a stripper! STRIP DAMN YOU! She showed more skin in stupid Good Luck Chuck!

This movie was well acted, it wasn't supposed to be acted in any other way. Movies based on graphic novels such as this, acting is meant to be portrayed as cheesy at times, much like the acting in Watchmen.

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