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85






Studio and Year: New Line - 2009
MPAA Rating: R
Feature running time: 97/106 Minutes
Genre: Horror/Thriller/Suspense

Disc Format: BD-50
Encoding: VC-1
Video Aspect: 2.40:1
Resolution: 1080p/24


Audio Format(s): English Dolby TrueHD 5.1, English/French Dolby Digital 5.1
Subtitles: English SDH, French, Spanish
Starring: Jared Padalecki, Danielle Panabaker, Aaron Yoo, Amanda Righetti, Travis Van Winkle, Derek Mears
Directed by: Marcus Nispel
Music by: Steve Jablonsky
Written by: Damian Shannon & Mark Swift
Region Code: A

Blu-ray Disc release Date: June 16, 2009







"You know his name. You know the story. On Friday the 13th, witness his resurrection"



Film Synopsis:

College kids seeking a weekend of kicks have made a horrible mistake. They've come to party at eerie Crystal Lake, the deadly domain of machete-mad killer Jason Voorhees. Terror goes to extremes in this reimagining of the Jason legend for today's horror fan. Enter for the first time the subterranean lair that is Jason's den of torture and fear. See him discover the mask that hides his deformed face. Experience a whole new level of fright. And try to remain calm. The intense violence, the unique kills, the jolting scares: live them all in the all-new Friday The 13th.



My Take:

Admittedly, I found the first few original Friday the 13th movies to be fun, scary, and memorable. Of course back then I was a young teenager and the 'new' teen scream horror/slasher flicks were all the rage. Jason Voorhees has of course gone on to obtain iconic status as an unstoppable killing machine that has thrilled audiences for many years now. It seems that lately Hollywood has been inclined to re-make some of the horror classics and this is the latest. Screenwriter's Damian Shannon and Mark Swift penned this script which offers fans a new spin on Friday the 13th part 2. A group of teenagers decide to go on a camping trip that lands them on Crystal Lake. The story of what happened there years ago involving a group of camp counselors that were murdered by a machete wielding woman that blamed them for her son Jason's death is told around the campfire and is given legend status. Those events are depicted at the beginning of the film in an opening black and white flashback sequence. Anyone who has seen any of the Friday the 13th films knows what comes next. They are brutally picked off one by one never to be seen again. One month later Clay Miller (Padalecki), the brother of one of the missing victims arrives in Crystal Lake looking for his sister Whitney (Righetti). Arriving at the same time is another group of young people who are spending the weekend at a family cabin near the lake. As Clay desperately searches for Whitney by knocking on doors and passing out fliers he comes in contact with them and is befriended by Jenna (Panabaker). Jason, doesn't like new faces and sharpens up his machete for another round of blood and mayhem. His ability to move in and around the lake area is helped greatly by a series of underground mining type tunnels. As he begins to zero in on this group he encounters a bit of formidable resistance but of course there is little that he can't handle. Clay's search for Whitney lands him right smack in the heart of Crystal Lake and Jason's territory. This is a place that few come back from but he is determined to find out what happened to his sister. As the body count rises there a few left to tell the tale. Fans will find that the ending may seem a little familiar

I didn't mind this film but ultimately felt that it didn't bring anything new to the character or story. It predominantly stayed true from a thematic standpoint and had all the requisite thrills, blood, potential for jump scares and of course the typical teen love making victims that we have all come to expect from movies like this. The addition of the tunnel system as an explanation for Jason's ability to seemingly be in three places at once was okay but unnecessary. The fact that he could turn up at any time or place was something that we expected and is part of his boogeyman type charm. This lacks the originality and freshness of the earlier franchise films but does have an updated set of special effects, and newer audio/video elements. That in and of itself isn't enough to make this better than the original (s) but I appreciated the effort.




Parental Guide:

The rating is for strong bloody violence, some graphic sexual content, language, and drug material.






AUDIO/VIDEO - By The Numbers:
REFERENCE = 92-100 / EXCELLENT = 83-91 / GOOD = 74-82 / AVERAGE = 65-73 / BELOW AVERAGE = under 65

**My audio/video ratings are based upon a comparative made against other high definition media/blu-ray disc.**


(Each rating is worth 4 points with a max of 5 per category)

Audio: 84



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Video: 86


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Friday the 13th: Killer Cut comes to Blu-ray Disc from New Line featuring 1080p VC-1 encoded video that has an average bitrate of 23 mbps and lossless Dolby TrueHD 5.1 channel audio that has an average bitrate of 1.8 mbps.

This video presentation utilizes lots of uneven light and dark environs that may challenge displays that have trouble producing good shadow detail. My JVC 1080p front projector and newly added Oppo Blu-ray player I saw excellent delineation in backgrounds and revealing gradational stages in blacks. Sequences like those that were lit only by moonlight had a varied luminescent quality as its glow reflected off of objects. This gave them incredible depth of field and three dimensional highlights. Blacks weren't inky but were strong and had ample punch when onscreen with mixed content. Images were resolute and crisp which aided in the perception of definition and fine rendering in both brightly lit and dark segments. There were many times when the video had superb dimension, clarity and lucid perspective that was visually engaging. Unfortunately there were instances where the image lacked focus and a bit distorted. This could occur within the same shot but be camera angle dependent. One viewpoint being clear and next viewpoint appearing defocused. It happened in both light and dark scenes and didn't lasted longer than a singular viewpoint. Quite honestly I couldn't say whether it is innate to the photography but I would assume so. Either way I found it to be distracting. Contrast was stable and balanced which helped drives bright sequences and give colors plenty of zip. Color fidelity appeared intact as they looked vibrant and natural, with lustrous hues and lifelike tonality. Fleshtones were equally impressive and looked gorgeous. I didn't detect any obvious signs of video related artifacts or anomalies.

The Dolby TrueHD multi-channel audio had no trouble delivering the elements contained within this surprisingly front heavy soundtrack. Voices had excellent intonation and variable description that penetrated well into the room as it held sway over the front soundstage. The blend of dialogue, typically eerie music and sound effects were perfectly in synch across the front of the room which cut a wide swath that reached beyond the physical boundaries of the speakers. This is an excellent recoding that delivers high level clarity and potent dynamics. This enhanced the quality of sounds which made them easily definable and clearly articulated regardless of their spatial placement. For a film of this type I was surprised that this didn't contain more of an active surround mix. When engaged the rear channels were used to good effect at different points during the film. When applied envelopment was appreciable (especially in the opening sequence) as it created a dimensionally satisfying and creepy immersive atmosphere within the room. Bass response wasn't earth shaking however when applied it had ample solidity and palpable presence that added emphasis where appropriate.



Bonus Features:


  • Theatrical & Killer Cut versions of the film

  • PiP BonusView Trivia Track that spans the entire Friday the 13th franchise

  • (HD) The rebirth of Jason Voorhees - 11 minute featurette

  • (HD) Hacking back/slashing forward - 11 minute featurette - Cast & Crew discuss the past and future of Friday the 13th

  • (HD) The seven best kills - with optional intro

  • (HD) 3 additional scenes

  • Digital Copy Bonus Disc - A standard definition version of the film that can be downloaded from a compatible PC to a portable media playback device

  • Warner Bros. BD-Live enabled
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Final Thoughts:

The original Friday the 13th is a tough act to follow in terms of going for a straight remake. It had a lot going for it at the time that made it the success that it was. Trying to produce the same results today can be an exercise in futility unless there is something tangibly new to invigorate the story. Unfortunately this films fails to feel like anything but a rehashing. I didn't feel that this was a bad film but when all was said and done it wasn't a memorable one. The high definition presentation is quite good and I appreciated the Blu-ray exclusive and fan friendly pop-up trivia track which spanned the entire franchise. Genre fans will appreciate its penchant for quick kills and bloody gore which are strongly steeped in the franchise. For those hoping to be enlightened give it a rent and see what your take is.









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Don't forget.... our very own "Filmixer" mixed this one!
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Ralph... thanks for the review. We had a lot of fun mixing the theatrical film and the "Killer Cut."

As a side note, there were several scenes with soft focus issues from production, as well as the other things you noticed... not much to be done about it, unfortunately.
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Ralph... thanks for the review. We had a lot of fun mixing the theatrical film and the "Killer Cut."

As a side note, there were several scenes with soft focus issues from production, as well as the other things you noticed... not much to be done about it, unfortunately.

Yes,I noticed some scenes were soft and most of the film,the picture quality was a decent one.Great review,Ralph.
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Ralph... thanks for the review. We had a lot of fun mixing the theatrical film and the "Killer Cut."

As a side note, there were several scenes with soft focus issues from production, as well as the other things you noticed... not much to be done about it, unfortunately.

Also this film was a nice surround sound in TrueHD.The frist half of this movie was great but the orther half was not fun,may be great expectation I had about this BD.
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I thought it was a pretty good movie. There is only so much you can do with Friday the 13th. I liked how they made Jason smarter. He also looked bigger and I don't ever remember him running to kill in the originals.
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Ralph... thanks for the review. We had a lot of fun mixing the theatrical film and the "Killer Cut."

As a side note, there were several scenes with soft focus issues from production, as well as the other things you noticed... not much to be done about it, unfortunately.

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Ralph... thanks for the review. We had a lot of fun mixing the theatrical film and the "Killer Cut."

As a side note, there were several scenes with soft focus issues from production, as well as the other things you noticed... not much to be done about it, unfortunately.

I note the review says it didn't contain more of an active surround mix.

Was this because of time constraints or was there any other reason for not having as active a surround mix ?
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I note the review says it didn't contain more of an active surround mix.

Was this because of time constraints or was there any other reason for not having as active a surround mix ?

That is strange... I remember lots of surround use at the theater (more than usual, though maybe I was just paying attention more because I knew Marc did it?). I'll be buying it tomorrow... can't wait!
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Thanks for the review, Ralph. I liked the first couple of originals but have passed on the other sequels. Think I'll pass on this re-make, too.

You know, it amazes me how, after all those murders , so many young people still go to Crystal Lake...
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I note the review says it didn't contain more of an active surround mix.

Was this because of time constraints or was there any other reason for not having as active a surround mix ?

There are no "reasons" except that we designed it that way..

The film doesn't really lend it to over the top surround immersion... one of the things we tried to do is keep you with the characters, who are always on screen... we did this in two ways...

1. You hear a lot of their breathing and movement.

2. Used dynamics for a lot of the scares, and almost all of the scares occur on camera.

The film takes place mostly in the forrest on in a house... there is quite a bit of ambience in the surrounds in those scenes, but if sound isn't dynamically changing, the brain tunes out those sounds after about 10 seconds. (And the producers, who drove the mix, aren't big fans of bugs and birds, but love rain, which is apparent if you listen to the track. )

Also, where we needed movement in the surrounds, we tried to keep it so there wasn't always stuff back there so the pans stood out more when we went to the surrounds.

And while there isn't a ton of surround activity (average I'd say) there is a lot of movement in the mains, which is also very effective, but not as "showy."

As a side note, the theatrical cut is the theatrical mix.... the "Killer" cut uses seamless branching for the new material (there isn't much of it...) which was mastered with HT in mind.. if you watch the film, after the company logo's in the front, the first big sound is about as loud as you can make it without hitting digital zero's in most all of the channels.

There is also one sound I left in (it's in the music) that is a synth pad that goes well into the teens on the low end.. I looked at my mixing partner (as the ceiling lights on our mix stage were rattling) and said I was leaving it in for the AVS'ers....

When I get a chance, I'll give the time code for you. It's in the music as the time changes from afternoon into evening and there is a shot of Crystal Lake and some birds flying off...
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There are no "reasons" except that we designed it that way..

The film doesn't really lend it to over the top surround immersion... one of the things we tried to do is keep you with the characters, who are always on screen... we did this in two ways...

1. You hear a lot of their breathing and movement.

2. Used dynamics for a lot of the scares, and almost all of the scares occur on camera.

The film takes place mostly in the forrest on in a house... there is quite a bit of ambience in the surrounds in those scenes, but if sound isn't dynamically changing, the brain tunes out those sounds after about 10 seconds. (And the producers, who drove the mix, aren't big fans of bugs and birds, but love rain, which is apparent if you listen to the track. )

Also, where we needed movement in the surrounds, we tried to keep it so there wasn't always stuff back there so the pans stood out more when we went to the surrounds.

And while there isn't a ton of surround activity (average I'd say) there is a lot of movement in the mains, which is also very effective, but not as "showy."

As a side note, the theatrical cut is the theatrical mix.... the "Killer" cut uses seamless branching for the new material (there isn't much of it...) which was mastered with HT in mind.. if you watch the film, after the company logo's in the front, the first big sound is about as loud as you can make it without hitting digital zero's in most all of the channels.

There is also one sound I left in (it's in the music) that is a synth pad that goes well into the teens on the low end.. I looked at my mixing partner (as the ceiling lights on our mix stage were rattling) and said I was leaving it in for the AVS'ers....

When I get a chance, I'll give the time code for you. It's in the music as the time changes from afternoon into evening and there is a shot of Crystal Lake and some birds flying off...

Greetings,

Thanks Mark. I believe I know which mark you are referring to.

I would like to add that my comments regarding this not containing a more active surround mix shouldn't be construed as a negative. In reading my comments I would hope that it is apparent that I was very pleased with it.

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Thanks Mark. I believe I know which mark you are referring to.

I would like to add that my comments regarding this not containing a more active surround mix shouldn't be construed as a negative. In reading my comments I would hope that it is apparent that I was very pleased with it.

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Ralph.. never took them as negative.... I agree with you 100%.

When I've read negative reviews in the past, it's usually pretty easy to see what the frame of reference is, and I always know why and how we mixed something the way we did... I'm a little bit of traditionalist and my mixes tend to be a little more up front than some other mixers.. sometimes by my design and input, sometimes by the film makers wishes...

I really appreciate the time and effort you put into your reviews.. you definitely are one of the few who "gets" it, and I always enjoy reading what you have to say... it keeps me honest.

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Ralph.. never took them as negative.... I agree with you 100%.

When I've read negative reviews in the past, it's usually pretty easy to see what the frame of reference is, and I always know why and how we mixed something the way we did... I'm a little bit of traditionalist and my mixes tend to be a little more up front than some other mixers.. sometimes by my design and input, sometimes by the film makers wishes...

I really appreciate the time and effort you put into your reviews.. you definitely are one of the few who "gets" it, and I always enjoy reading what you have to say... it keeps me honest.

Marc.

Greetings,

Marc (sorry about that), I appreciate and respect the work that you do. I have yet to review one of your mixes with prior knowledge that it was your work but I notice that they tend to sound great.

Thank you for your comments. I really do appreciate the support..

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There are no "reasons" except that we designed it that way..

The film doesn't really lend it to over the top surround immersion... one of the things we tried to do is keep you with the characters, who are always on screen... we did this in two ways...

1. You hear a lot of their breathing and movement.

2. Used dynamics for a lot of the scares, and almost all of the scares occur on camera.

The film takes place mostly in the forrest on in a house... there is quite a bit of ambience in the surrounds in those scenes, but if sound isn't dynamically changing, the brain tunes out those sounds after about 10 seconds. (And the producers, who drove the mix, aren't big fans of bugs and birds, but love rain, which is apparent if you listen to the track. )

Also, where we needed movement in the surrounds, we tried to keep it so there wasn't always stuff back there so the pans stood out more when we went to the surrounds.

And while there isn't a ton of surround activity (average I'd say) there is a lot of movement in the mains, which is also very effective, but not as "showy."

As a side note, the theatrical cut is the theatrical mix.... the "Killer" cut uses seamless branching for the new material (there isn't much of it...) which was mastered with HT in mind.. if you watch the film, after the company logo's in the front, the first big sound is about as loud as you can make it without hitting digital zero's in most all of the channels.

There is also one sound I left in (it's in the music) that is a synth pad that goes well into the teens on the low end.. I looked at my mixing partner (as the ceiling lights on our mix stage were rattling) and said I was leaving it in for the AVS'ers....

When I get a chance, I'll give the time code for you. It's in the music as the time changes from afternoon into evening and there is a shot of Crystal Lake and some birds flying off...

Thats ok i didn't mean to imply something was wrong with the mix.

I look forward to watching it and it's great we have someone who actually works on these films at AVS.
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TrueHD!

I lovee this film, great review, not my type of film but i like it a lot
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Good to know, I'm definitely looking forward to re-watching it. This was one of the movies that I looked forward to watching at Halloween as a teenager.

This new one was like a mixing of all the 4 parts together.The picture quality was liked I said before but the sound quality wasn't great as it seemed in the theater to me,thanks.
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There are no "reasons" except that we designed it that way..

The film doesn't really lend it to over the top surround immersion... one of the things we tried to do is keep you with the characters, who are always on screen... we did this in two ways...

1. You hear a lot of their breathing and movement.

2. Used dynamics for a lot of the scares, and almost all of the scares occur on camera.

The film takes place mostly in the forrest on in a house... there is quite a bit of ambience in the surrounds in those scenes, but if sound isn't dynamically changing, the brain tunes out those sounds after about 10 seconds. (And the producers, who drove the mix, aren't big fans of bugs and birds, but love rain, which is apparent if you listen to the track. )

Also, where we needed movement in the surrounds, we tried to keep it so there wasn't always stuff back there so the pans stood out more when we went to the surrounds.

And while there isn't a ton of surround activity (average I'd say) there is a lot of movement in the mains, which is also very effective, but not as "showy."

As a side note, the theatrical cut is the theatrical mix.... the "Killer" cut uses seamless branching for the new material (there isn't much of it...) which was mastered with HT in mind.. if you watch the film, after the company logo's in the front, the first big sound is about as loud as you can make it without hitting digital zero's in most all of the channels.

There is also one sound I left in (it's in the music) that is a synth pad that goes well into the teens on the low end.. I looked at my mixing partner (as the ceiling lights on our mix stage were rattling) and said I was leaving it in for the AVS'ers....

When I get a chance, I'll give the time code for you. It's in the music as the time changes from afternoon into evening and there is a shot of Crystal Lake and some birds flying off...

Appreciated for what you explaned in the professional way.
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Me and the wife went to see it at the movies...and couldnt wait for it to come to dvd. Picked it up today and watched it on my Sony VPLAW10 and diy painted screen.

I dont know how the reviewer had his stuff set up but the LOWS in this movie on my system are LOW and hard.

Keep in mind I have the SDdvd. It looked ok but I needed to brighten it up some as it seemed really dark.

Its not a bad movie but it could have used a little less t&a and more "chchchch"..."killkillkillkillkillkill"..."hahahahahaaha"...It lacked the Jason music to me...And Im not crazy about it being a little to much like texas chainsaw.

But over all I give it a 8
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Me and the wife went to see it at the movies...and couldnt wait for it to come to dvd. Picked it up today and watched it on my Sony VPLAW10 and diy painted screen.

I dont know how the reviewer had his stuff set up but the LOWS in this movie on my system are LOW and hard.

Keep in mind I have the SDdvd. It looked ok but I needed to brighten it up some as it seemed really dark.

Its not a bad movie but it could have used a little less t&a and more "chchchch"..."killkillkillkillkillkill"..."hahahahahaaha"...It lacked the Jason music to me...And Im not crazy about it being a little to much like texas chainsaw.

But over all I give it a 8[IMG]http://***************/9/P/i.jpg[/IMG]

Lol that made me laugh I'd say its about an 8 too overall
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Thanks for the review, Ralph. I liked the first couple of originals but have passed on the other sequels. Think I'll pass on this re-make, too.

You know, it amazes me how, after all those murders , so many young people still go to Crystal Lake...

A lot more died from smoking and millions are still smoking.
It's probably the same reason why the police investigators did not investigate the crime scene to find the tunnels...we need a plot for the movie sequels.
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