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Is anybody else having audio sync issues with this movie?

Yes, it feels early to me too. I'm only hoping other people don't notice it so that I would have to be apologetic.
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My Take:

I finished the film last night. Watched at -5 from reference level.

Found dialog excellently integrated and easily understood throughout and explosions did not hinder such at all. Everything sonically was ideal. Bass at 20 Hz to 40 Hz was loud and aggressive at times. However, I felt the bass at 10 Hz to 20 Hz (subjectively) was a bit thin. I mean it was there, but I felt a bit more would've been ideal.

Video was gritty and somewhat noisy at times from a grainy appearance but rarely distracting.

A great effort sonically.

I enjoyed the film... but felt it a bit long..


humans cant hear below 16 Hz - most cant hear below 20Hz especially if you are older like above 40 years old - so its no supprise that 10-20Hz was a bit flat

if you are a mouse then you can hear down to 1Hz but you arent a mouse, are you? - that being said I took a hearing test and I could hear down to 12Hz - but I was 21 years old at the time and have great hearing and vision according to the testers - in fact I was told that in the 22 years that the lady had been doing the testing for FORD Motor Company employees she has never seen someone with this level of vision and/or hearing and was impressed, I was even sent to New York for independent testing because some professors wanted to test me after they herd about the test since the testing lady submitted it to some kinda database or something, they even payed for the air fare and everything and were impressed with my hearing as well as vision

you can even see me on a discovery channel program from 2002 about the human senses for about 30 sec I said nothing but I was mentioned and showed me walking into the testing chamber

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humans cant hear below 16 Hz - most cant hear below 20Hz especially if you are older like above 40 years old - so its no supprise that 10-20Hz was a bit flat

if you are a mouse then you can hear down to 1Hz but you arent a mouse, are you? - that being said I took a hearing test and I could hear down to 12Hz - but I was 21 years old at the time and have great hearing and vision according to the testers - in fact I was told that in the 22 years that the lady had been doing the testing for FORD Motor Company employees she has never seen someone with this level of vision and/or hearing and was impressed, I was even sent to New York for independent testing because some professors wanted to test me after they herd about the test since the testing lady submitted it to some kinda database or something, they even payed for the air fare and everything and were impressed with my hearing as well as vision

you can even see me on a discovery channel program from 2002 about the human senses for about 30 sec I said nothing but I was mentioned and showed me walking into the testing chamber

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Yes, it feels early to me too. I'm only hoping other people don't notice it so that I would have to be apologetic.

I didn't notice any sync issues when I watched the Watchmen BD. Inevitably, there are going to be occasions in any movie where the sync isn't perfect, although it is spot on most of the time. I don't complain about the sync unless it is so skewed that the dialog and picture are consistently out of sync.
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humans cant hear below 16 Hz - most cant hear below 20Hz especially if you are older like above 40 years old - so its no supprise that 10-20Hz was a bit flat

if you are a mouse then you can hear down to 1Hz but you arent a mouse, are you? - that being said I took a hearing test and I could hear down to 12Hz - but I was 21 years old at the time and have great hearing and vision according to the testers - in fact I was told that in the 22 years that the lady had been doing the testing for FORD Motor Company employees she has never seen someone with this level of vision and/or hearing and was impressed, I was even sent to New York for independent testing because some professors wanted to test me after they herd about the test since the testing lady submitted it to some kinda database or something, they even payed for the air fare and everything and were impressed with my hearing as well as vision

you can even see me on a discovery channel program from 2002 about the human senses for about 30 sec I said nothing but I was mentioned and showed me walking into the testing chamber

I don't claim to hear below 20 Hz, however, having subs that can play at significant levels (over 100 db) below 20 Hz to 10 Hz, I can tell you there is a lot of material out there active at these frequencies... Black Hawk Down to name one.. It has some serious 15 Hz material that you do not hear but if your room is closed / sealed and you have the subs that can do it, there is significant pressurization of the room that gives a potent, palpable felling of pressure on one's body. The chopper blades from Black Hawk Down seem to push air all around the room as they sweep around with 15 Hz output. You feel the air pressure. Casino Royale, as the building is collapsing, pressurizes the room incredibly as well.. Very cool and worth the thousands I spent on subs to get there. Find someone with a well sealed room and big subs and 'feel' for yourself!!

REcall sound is pressure... That's why we use a Sound Pressure Meter to measure output... just because your ears can't sense it below 20 Hz, pressure receptors on nerve endings around the body can and do react to the sub sonic pressure - and that is good!

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Yes, it feels early to me too. I'm only hoping other people don't notice it so that I would have to be apologetic.

Will check tomorrow night.

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Is anybody else having audio sync issues with this movie?

I've got a PS3 > cheap Pioneer receiver via Toslink. The audio sounds like it's about 150ms too early and unfortunately there's no audio delay settings on my receiver.

I popped in the digital copy, transferred it to iTunes and it *also* is out of sync... but maybe only 50 or 100ms too early, not quite as exaggerated.

I've found a few other posts online about this but most people are complaining the audio suddenly cuts out and jumps out of sync with some LG/Samsung players.

I'm a huge fan of the graphic novel and the director's cut was a big improvement over the already good theatrical cut. Too bad about the audio sync

Any ideas?


at times i thought i heard/saw audio sync issues.. but then i would watch/listen closely and it wasnt there.. it may just have been the whole idea that at times i felt i couldnt even hear the dialogue that good at all which was leading me to believe that it was an audio/video sync issue.

i am considering returning my copy and just trying a new one for craps and giggles since i havent had this issue so extreme with the other movies...
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I don't claim to hear below 20 Hz, however, having subs that can play at significant levels (over 100 db) below 20 Hz to 10 Hz, I can tell you there is a lot of material out there active at these frequencies... Black Hawk Down to name one.. It has some serious 15 Hz material that you do not hear but if your room is closed / sealed and you have the subs that can do it, there is significant pressurization of the room that gives a potent, palpable felling of pressure on one's body. The chopper blades from Black Hawk Down seem to push air all around the room as they sweep around with 15 Hz output. You feel the air pressure. Casino Royale, as the building is collapsing, pressurizes the room incredibly as well.. Very cool and worth the thousands I spent on subs to get there. Find someone with a well sealed room and big subs and 'feel' for yourself!!

REcall sound is pressure... That's why we use a Sound Pressure Meter to measure output... just because your ears can't sense it below 20 Hz, pressure receptors on nerve endings around the body can and do react to the sub sonic pressure - and that is good!

Jeff is right. If played on a sub that can reproduce them even the lowest bass notes will be felt even if they are not heard. That's why in a theater or a home theater whose audio system is up to the task you feel LFE tracks, such as Watchmen's, even if you don't really hear them. To me, that's the most exciting part of an audio system with really solid bass response.
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I echo what Jeff and gwsat are saying.......funny Jeff mentioned the building scene is Casino Royale as that is one scene I have used when adding/upgrading subs in the recent past to test out the upgrade.......WOW!

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With all the hype ive heard about this movie, I expected better. We watched it over the weekend and all i can say is that I want my 3 hours back.
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With all the hype ive heard about this movie, I expected better. We watched it over the weekend and all i can say is that I want my 3 hours back.

Will be watching tonight, that bad eh?

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Will be watching tonight, that bad eh?

Of course its just my opinion and seems contradictory to the hype its getting but at least in my house we all hated it.
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Of course its just my opinion and seems contradictory to the hype its getting but at least in my house we all hated it.

well Im going in blind watching this one and don't know anything about it.

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well Im going in blind watching this one and don't know anything about it.


I went in blind as well Franin and I thought the movie was awesome......seems to be a love it or hate film though in general.

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I went in blind as well Franin and I thought the movie was awesome......seems to be a love it or hate film though in general.

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seems to be a love it or hate film though in general.

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I agree. Frank be sure to post back with your impressions.


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seems to be a love it or hate film though in general.

The biggest problem with Watchmen is that the story is so complex, even three hours are hardly enough to do it justice. I believe it would be worthwhile for those of you who didn't love it the first time to watch it again. That's what I did and I ended up having a hard time believing that it was the same movie I had seen before. The story was exponentially clearer and easier to follow the second time than had been the case when I first saw it in the theater.
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The biggest problem with Watchmen is that the story is so complex, even three hours are hardly enough to do it justice. I believe it would be worthwhile for those of you who didn't love it the first time to watch it again. That's what I did and I ended up having a hard time believing that it was the same movie I had seen before. The story was exponentially clearer and easier to follow the second time than had been the case when I first saw it in the theater.

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The biggest problem with Watchmen is that the story is so complex, even three hours are hardly enough to do it justice. I believe it would be worthwhile for those of you who didn't love it the first time to watch it again. That's what I did and I ended up having a hard time believing that it was the same movie I had seen before. The story was exponentially clearer and easier to follow the second time than had been the case when I first saw it in the theater.

It took me 5 days to watch this rental. It was absolutely one of the worst movies I've ever watched. Viewing movies should not be a chore. This was truly agonizing work, and I did everything I could to like it, but I have to be true to myself; it sucks.
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The biggest problem with Watchmen is that the story is so complex, even three hours are hardly enough to do it justice. I believe it would be worthwhile for those of you who didn't love it the first time to watch it again. That's what I did and I ended up having a hard time believing that it was the same movie I had seen before. The story was exponentially clearer and easier to follow the second time than had been the case when I first saw it in the theater.


Great suggestion. I thought to myself a few times during the film that you really need to stay focused with this one........it definitely requires a conscious effort on the part of the audience to get the most out of it which is not usually the case with a "superhero" type film. Even staying focused and even though I very much enjoyed this film, I am sure a second viewing would be beneficial for me (and others) as well as I am sure I would pick up things I missed the first time around.

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It took me 5 days to watch this rental. It was absolutely one of the worst movies I've ever watched. Viewing movies should not be a chore. This was truely agonizing work, and I did everything I could to like it, but I have to be true to myself; it sucks.

I bought this BD as a blind buy because my son raved about it. Of course he read the graphic novel so his understanding of the convoluted plot must be better than mine. The movie left me cold. The video presentation was excellent but the sound on my system lacked impact unless I turned the volume way up on the DTS Master Audio track. I found much more audio impact using the compressed DD feed to my receiver through optical. Of course your opinion will probably differ concerning the audio issue.
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I would have to be paid to watch this film again.
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I I found much more audio impact using the compressed DD feed to my receiver through optical. Of course your opinion will probably differ concerning the audio issue.


I agree. I have regular 5.1 DD and DTS that sound better than Watchman. It was not a bad sound, just not the best sound. Incidentally, you could not pay me to waste my time and watch this one again.
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Ralph,

Thanks for the great review. I had been holding off on buying BluRay for such a long time and now I think Watchmen is the reason I'll be converting from DVDs. Can't wait to pick up my copy and grab a BR player as well. I saw this in the theatre, twice in IMAX and once in a regular theatre and I hope to have the same thrilling experience with the bluray as I did in the theatres!

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Will be watching tonight, that bad eh?

Didn't get a chance to watch this last night. It was around 1am before I can start the movie and would of finished at 4am. Had to work the next day. Surprised about the mixed feelings regarding the audio.

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In my opinion for this movie, having seen it so many times, is that its the "adult" superhero movie. This isn't Batman or Superman with the known good guys and bad guys with little storyline driven behind them. Yes you could read the graphic novel, and it is superb, but how many people want to read the book in order to understand the movie? That would turn alot of folks off and I'm sure that something that Snyder didn't want to have happen.

Coined the "unfilmable" comic to be transferred to film, I think Snyder did a superb job. And how does one take something unfilmable, which as I just said would help the viewer out by first reading the comic, and turn it into an enjoyable movie? He straight injected as much information as he could into a 3 hour film. Does the movie translate page for page like the comic? No. But for what its worth this movie is outstanding.

It puts so much background into its characters for most of the movie thats its almost hard to depict out an actual plot until probably the 2nd time you'd watch it. But if you can manage it and can grasp the story the first time around the 3 hours is well worth the wait.

The amount of action and storytelling is well balanced. The conflict within Dr. Manhattan is easily related to. The struggle for mankinds existance and the reasoning behind the ending of the movie is fantastic. It really is a "thinker" action flick. Its not just some film you can plop yourself down in front of, hear bombs and explosions and guns and death and go "ooh and ahh" at all of the sound effects. You really have to try and pick this one apart in your heard to understand it.

So people just expecting a light show need to move on. This one is for the much more developed mind!

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In my opinion for this movie, having seen it so many times, is that its the "adult" superhero movie. This isn't Batman or Superman with the known good guys and bad guys with little storyline driven behind them. Yes you could read the graphic novel, and it is superb, but how many people want to read the book in order to understand the movie? That would turn alot of folks off and I'm sure that something that Snyder didn't want to have happen.

You have made an important point, I think, which is that Watchmen is not a mindless action thriller in which there is never any doubt who is good and who is evil. Watchmen is dark, ambiguous, and requires not a little thought on the part of its viewers to not only figure out the motivations of its characters but to simply understand what is going on. As we have seen here, some folks are simply unwilling or unable to make that investment. That's there loss, it seems to me.
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This one is for the much more developed mind!


I think an eccentric and convoluted mind is a more accurate description.
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You guys who are calling the plot convoluted and frustrating to follow need to increase the dose on your Ritalin! If you pay attention to what's going on and can properly understand what is present day and what is the past (i.e. back story, flashbacks), the plot is very coherent and not that hard to follow. There is a LOT packed into this film, and as others have said, it's not some mindless popcorn flick that you can casually observe and still come away with the experience the director intended.

I'm sure there is a lot more to the Watchmen mythos than what I was able to gather from one viewing of the Director's cut, but I thought this was a kick-ass film. Aside from having to watch Dr. Manhattan's schlong bouncing around on my 133" screen all film (why can't that guy keep his panties on, anyway?), I have very little to complain about. Once again, I feel that Ralph's review was spot-on. I don't usually find my opinions this consistent with someone, but Ralph and I seem to be of one mind with regard to a lot of these films.

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