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90






Studio and Year: Universal - 2002, 2004, 2007
MPAA Rating: PG-13, PG-13, PG-13
Feature running time: 119, 109, 115 minutes
Genre: Action

Disc Format: BD-50/DVD 9
Encoding: AVC/MPEG-2
Video Aspect: 2.35:1
Resolution: 1080p/24


Audio Format(s): English DTS-HD 5.1 Master Audio, English/French/Spanish Dolby Digital 5.1
Subtitles: English SDH, French, Spanish
Starring: Matt Damon, Franke Potente, Chris Cooper, Brian Cox, Clive Owen, Julia Stiles, Joan Allen, Karl Urban, Gabriel Mann, David Strathairn, Scott Glenn, Albert Finny
Directed by: Doug Liman, Paul Greengrass
Music by: John Powell
Written by: Tony Gilroy, William Blake Herron, Scott Z. Burns
Region Code: A

Blu-ray Disc release Date: January 19, 2010







"Bourne to survive"



Film Synopsis:

The Bourne identity: After being pulled from the sea with two bullets in his back, Jason Bourne (Matt Damon) awakens on a fishing boat with no memory of his involvement in a top-secret, black ops arm of the CIA called Treadstone. The only clue to his identity is the number of a Swiss bank account in which he discovers an array of passports and weapons, as well as a fortune in cash. As he struggles to regain his memory, his former employers dub him a rogue agent and target him for termination. When an equally deadly assassin codenamed Professor (Clive Owen) is sent to dispose of him, Bourne rediscovers his extraordinary survival skills, including hand-to-hand combat, martial arts and multiple languages and begins to understand who he really is. As he struggles to unlock the secret of his own identity, Bourne has to deal with his past in order to ensure his own future.

The Bourne supremacy: When his lover is murdered and he is framed for the assassination of a fellow agent, Jason Bourne finds himself on the run again. But as he closes in on his girlfriend's killers, he realizes his former handlers are back on his trail. After his fingerprints are found at the scene of a murder in Berlin, an ambitious CIA operative (Joan Allen) becomes determined to stop him once and for all. Haunted by debilitating fragmented memories as he navigates the labyrinth of international espionage, Bourne (Matt Damon) must outwit, outmaneuver and outmuscle some of the most powerful forces in the world just to survive.


My Take:

I have been a fan of the Bourne films since seeing the original back in 2002. I managed to catch them all during their theatrical runs and have owned them on home video in both standard and high definition since they became available. With the quality and popularity of these three films as well as their previous releases/reviews on home video I will avoid further description/dissection of their individual plots. If you're a fan of the action/thriller/spy genre The Bourne films brim with visceral action, intelligent crafting, and an interconnected/continuing plot that centers on Jason Bourne who is portrayed with distinction by Matt Damon. Each chapter of the globe-hopping search for Jason Bourne's true identity raises the stakes another lethal notch as the undercover killer settles old scores and uncovers new secrets. The films include a credible cast of supporting actors, including Chris Cooper, Clive Owen, Brian Cox, Julia Stiles, Franka Potente, and Joan Allen. The intricately choreographed one on one fight sequences and extended car chases featured in each film are not only impressive but make for excellent demonstration material which hold up well under repeat viewings. The three films have previously been released in high definition on Blu-ray but only as a boxed set. This marks the first time they are available separately on Blu-ray Disc. Universal has released them in a dual format flipper disc that includes a standard DVD version on one side and the Blu-ray (BD-50) version on the other. This is an industry first and makes for a convenient option for those that have multi-format setups, don't want to purchase all three films, or who haven't yet upgraded to Blu-ray but plan to. Here is the press release from Universal with the details:

Universal City, California, December 1, 2009 - In a move that is poised to elevate the Blu-ray Hi-Def format and provide consumers with the ultimate in convenience and viewing flexibility, Universal Studios Home Entertainment (USHE) announced the introduction of groundbreaking dual-format discs containing both Blu-ray Hi-Def and DVD versions of some of Hollywood's most iconic films. An industry first, the new flipper discs will launch on January 19, 2010 with the blockbuster superspy thrillers The Bourne Identity, The Bourne Supremacy and The Bourne Ultimatum, starring Matt Damon, premiering as individually packaged Blu-ray discs. For the first time ever, consumers will have the ability to choose between Blu-ray and DVD formats, simply by flipping a single disc. With complete utility in one convenient package, the revolutionary medium can be used on any DVD or Blu-ray compatible player, game platform or computer, making it ideal for anyone planning to upgrade to Blu-ray at a future date as well as current owners of both Blu-ray and DVD systems. Each side of Universal's flipper discs includes the entire movie as well as all available bonus features, with the Blu-ray side featuring exciting BD exclusives such as U-Control and BD-Live. Universal's flipper discs are the perfect way for consumers to future-proof their collections while still enjoying their favorite movies on all their existing DVD players, said Craig Kornblau, President of Universal Studios Home Entertainment. The flipper disc offers an easy way for viewers to convert to Blu-ray now or at any time in the future, confident in the fact they will be able to experience their home entertainment purchases in the highest quality picture and sound when they do.

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The release will mark the first time the Bourne trilogy, one of the highest grossing action movie franchises in history, is available individually in Blu-ray's renowned perfect picture and purest digital sound. Each film is accompanied by an array of exciting bonus features that plunge viewers deeper in to the shadowy world of international espionage, including top-secret files, challenging strategy games, fascinating filmmakers and actor profiles, commentary, deleted scenes and Universal's renowned BD-Live functionality.

Universal forwarded The Bourne identity and The Bourne supremacy however The Bourne ultimatum was slightly delayed and hasn't arrived as I write this so my technical comments only apply to the two discs that I have in hand. I will update this review once the Bourne ultimatum arrives. The Bourne films have breathed new life into the action/thriller/spy genre with their frenetically paced action sequences, evolving storyline, and strong production values. Universal presents the opportunity to own them like never before by including both the high definition Blu-ray and standard definition DVD versions on the same disc. If you have been waiting to pick them up the time is right.



Parental Guide:

The films are rated for action violence, some language, thematic material, and brief sensuality.






AUDIO/VIDEO - By The Numbers:
REFERENCE = 92-100 / EXCELLENT = 83-91 / GOOD = 74-82 / AVERAGE = 65-73 / BELOW AVERAGE = under 65

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Audio: 94



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The Bourne identity comes to Blu-ray Disc from Universal featuring 1080p VC-1 encoded video that has an average bitrate of 30 mbps and lossless DTS-HD 5.1 Master Audio sound that has an average bitrate of 4.1 mbps.The Bourne supremacy comes to Blu-ray Disc from Universal featuring 1080p VC-1 encoded video that has an average bitrate of 29 mbps and lossless DTS-HD 5.1 Master Audio sound that has an average bitrate of 3.9 mbps.

These VC-1 encodings are the original ones that were first seen when the Bourne series was first released on HD DVD and they have always looked excellent in high definition. As a whole none of the films are given to bright, vibrant imagery however bold contrast and strong multi-stage blacks provide excellent depth in both light and dark onscreen elements. Shadow detail in the Bourne identity is probably as good as I have seen. The Bourne supremacy is good although a step behind with sequences where the finest gradations are obscured. The color range isn't extensive and saturation can be scene dependent however I never found colors to be visually lacking. Fleshtones are right on the money and have a lifelike luster that capably describes the varying complexional types featured among the cast. Resolution is exemplary during close up camera shots of the cast which reveal exquisite refinement in the visible lines in their faces and the weave and texture of their clothing. There are instances where sharpness wavers but they are brief and appear innate to the photography. This seems more prevalent during wide angle shots but I noticed it in several mid level shots as well. The Bourne identity's film grain is prominent but without over statement. The Bourne supremacy's intentionally darker aesthetic and light veil of grain makes for a grittier visual experience. In either case I saw no signs of unwanted digital manipulation or video related artifacts. Both films appear to mimic their theatrical presentations and look terrific on Blu-ray Disc.

As a whole The high resolution DTS-HD Master Audio surround sound across both films is superb. The lossless audio generates a busy and involving sound field filled with discrete/directional sound effects that occasionally bombarded the senses. Extended dynamic range and crystal clarity help bring the tumultuous and aggressive aspects of the soundtracks to life. The seamless integration of the music and effects during the action based sequences is marvelous. The audio is distributed within the soundstage with excellent balance and rear channel presence that immerses the listening position without over emphasis. The extended car chase in Supremacy's finale is a spectacular surround sound experience. The growl of the car engines, the crunching of metal and the visceral impact of gunfire have superlative clarity, potent dynamics, and tactile low frequency impact that is captivating. The final encounter at the safe house in Paris near the end of Identity is equally entertaining. This brief segment where Jason finishes off the Treadstone agents that storm the office shakes things up nicely. Sounds emanate from multiple directions, encapsulating the listening position, and heavy arms fire is underscored by authoritative bass response that can be felt throughout the room. Dialogue is clear, full bodied and tonally descriptive throughout the course of each film. There is a multitude of demonstration worthy moments over the span of both films that result in an enriching home theater experience that simply rocks.



Bonus Features:

The Bourne identity

Exclusive U-Control: Universal's exclusive signature feature U-Control allows viewers to delve into the making of the film with the click of the remote without ever leaving the movie. While you watch the movie, immerse yourself in the character dossiers and location analyses, and explore the technology behind the spy gadgets through visuals and 3-D animations.

  • Picture in Picture
  • Bourne Orientation
  • Bourne Card Battle Strategy Game
  • Treadstone Files: Includes interactive Character Dossiers, Agent Status info and GPS features.
  • BD-Live: Blu-ray and Playstation3 players with an Internet connection can access exclusive interactive applications that allow viewers to communicate with friends and family while watching the film
  • My Scenes Sharing: Share your favorite clips with friends through BD-Live Internet discussions
  • Bourne Card Battle Strategy Game.
  • My Scenes
  • The Ludlum Identity: An extraordinary portrait of the best-selling author through archival interviews with friends, colleagues, family members and Ludlum himself
  • The Ludlum Supremacy: Who is Jason Bourne? A revealing look at how Bourne was born.
  • The Ludlum Ultimatum: A fascinating examination of the Bourne character and his enduring audience appeal
  • The Birth of the Bourne Identity
  • Deleted and Extended Scenes (Available on Blu-ray Hi-Def and DVD)
  • Alternate Opening and Ending: With an introduction by producer Frank Marshall, screenwriter Tony Gilroy and actor Brian Cox. (Available on Blu-ray Hi-Def and DVD)
  • The Bourne Mastermind: Robert Ludlum: A fascinating new look at the late Robert Ludlum, the bestselling novelist who created the Bourne trilogy. (Available on Blu-ray Hi-Def and DVD)
  • Access Granted: An exclusive interview with screenwriter Tony Gilroy on the challenges of adapting Ludlum's 500-page book for the screen. (Available on Blu-ray Hi-Def and DVD)
  • From Identity to Supremacy - Jason & Marie: This feature includes exclusive interviews with Matt Damon and Franka Potente which explore the making of The Bourne Identity - and build a bridge to the spectacular sequel, The Bourne Supremacy.
  • The Bourne Diagnosis: Insights into the causes and effects of Jason Bourne's struggle with amnesia from a UCLA psychologist. (Available on Blu-ray Hi-Def and DVD)
  • Cloak and Dagger: In this feature, CIA liaison officer Chase Brandon delivers a detailed, real-world analysis of the making of a super-spy. (Available on Blu-ray Hi-Def and DVD)
  • Inside a Fight Sequence: Join Matt Damon on the set as he and the film's Stunt Choreographer map out the explosive action-packed U.S. Embassy fight sequence. (Available on Blu-ray Hi-Def and DVD)
  • Moby Extreme Ways Music Video (Available on Blu-ray Hi-Def and DVD)
  • Feature Commentary with Director Doug Liman (Available on Blu-ray Hi-Def and DVD)

The Bourne Supremacy:

Exclusive U-Control: Universal's exclusive signature feature U-Control allows viewers to delve into the making of the film with the click of the remote without ever leaving the movie. While you watch the movie, immerse yourself in the character dossiers and location analyses, and explore the technology behind the spy gadgets through visuals and 3-D animations.

  • Picture in Picture
  • Bourne Orientation
  • Bourne Card Battle Strategy Game
  • Bourne Dossier
  • BD-Live: Blu-ray and Playstation3 players with an Internet connection can access exclusive interactive applications that allow viewers to communicate with friends and family while watching the film
  • My Scenes Sharing: Share your favorite clips with friends through BD-Live Internet discussions.
  • Bourne Card Battle Strategy Game
  • My Scenes
  • Scoring with John Powell: A special look at creating the pulse-pounding score for the movie. (Available on Blu-ray Hi-Def and DVD)
  • The Bourne Mastermind: Robert Ludlum: A fascinating new look at the late Robert Ludlum, the bestselling novelist who created the Bourne trilogy.
  • The Bourne Diagnosis Part Two: Insights into the causes and effects of Jason Bourne's struggle with amnesia from a UCLA psychologist.
  • Feature Commentary with Paul Greengrass (Available on Blu-ray Hi-Def and DVD)
  • Explosive Deleted Scenes (Available on Blu-ray Hi-Def and DVD)
  • Matching Identities: Casting - See what it took to land a key role in this major action hit. (Available on Blu-ray Hi-Def and DVD)
  • Keeping It Real - A look at the edgy and kinetic visual style the filmmakers brought to Supremacy. (Available on Blu-ray Hi-Def and DVD)
  • Blowing Things Up - Virtual isn't always better. See how some of the film's most awesome pyrotechnical sequences were createdwithout digital effects. (Available on Blu-ray Hi-Def and DVD)
  • On the Move with Jason Bourne - Travel the globe to visit the film's exotic locations from India to Berlin to Moscow. (Available on Blu-ray Hi-Def and DVD)
  • Bourne to Be Wild: Fight Training - Matt Damon didn't become a lethal weapon overnight. Witness the action as the star and the movie's fight trainer perfect the film's thrilling hand-to-hand combat scenes! (Available on Blu-ray Hi-Def and DVD)
  • Crash Cam: Racing Through the Streets of Moscow - Experience how stunt coordinators meticulously planned and executed the movie's stunning, high-speed chase sequence. (Available on Blu-ray Hi-Def and DVD)
  • The Go-Mobile Revs Up the Action - Feel the rush of being in the driver's seat with this revolutionary new vehicle used to capture Matt Damon's high-speed exploits in the film's jaw-dropping car chase sequences! (Available on Blu-ray Hi-Def and DVD)
  • Anatomy of a Scene: The Explosive Bridge Chase Scene - Step onto the set and experience the tension and intense preparation as the filmmaking team plans and shoots one of the movie's most demanding, dangerous and thrilling action scenes. (Available on Blu-ray Hi-Def and DVD)

Final Thoughts:

The Bourne identity and The Bourne supremacy represent the first two installments in the Jason Bourne film series. Each capably stands on its own by enticing film fans with provocative action, thrilling storylines, and steadfast production elements. I find their fresh conceptual spin on the spy genre highly entertaining and enjoy revisiting them. Universal has is now releasing them separately on Blu-ray Disc, in a groundbreaking dual format flipper style design that features the high definition Blu-ray version and standard definition DVD version on the same disc. Each disc contains a host of bonus supplements that offer a comprehensive and fan friendly look behind the scenes, includes cast/crew interviews, filmmakers commentary and Blu-ray Disc exclusive content that highlights the formats potential. While there isn't any previously unreleased material here Universal has presented a viable option for those looking to take advantage of the flexibility offered by this dual format design. If you don't already own these exciting films in high definition this makes for a perfect solution on either side of the format equation. Highly recommended!









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Thanks Ralph!

I have been waiting for these and glad to hear they wont disappoint!

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Only problem with these new releases from Universal: DVD glued to the back of the blu-ray, similar to the previous HD-DVD / DVD flippers.
To me, that makes these less collectible, as I don't expect them to last without warping or separating.

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An "industry first"? Didn't Universal and Warners already do this with HD-DVD? Guess BD is still playing catch-up. I seem to remember those combo owners had some issues with it. (Although I never did.) It will be interesting to see how well these combos hold-up in the long run.
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I still haven't picked up the original BDs and the new stand alone releases are even less appealing. I like the movies, but never could wrap my wallet around Universal's price premium on the box set. Fox's X-Men set cost a lot less and included 3 discs for each film. Even Universal's own Fast and Furious trilogy sells for less than their Bourne set, despite the addition of digital copies in the former.

These standalone discs appear to be priced a bit more affordably or at least are being discounted better. But I don't trust them and resent Universal a little for engineering something that’s been almost universally panned, if not despised since DVD10s, not to mention the subsequent fire fueled by problems with DVD18s. I’m sure they’ll eventually get all the bugs worked out, if there are any. But I've got an early BD50 copy of the Prestige that played perfectly when Disney shipped it to me and won’t now. Even at $15 each, it may be more of a gamble than an investment, if there's a chance the disc won't play in 2-3 years.

It's not just that the longevity of the discs hasn't been tested; it's that Universal has invested in something that nobody wants, except maybe their own investors. Maybe this is their way of controlling residual sales; as I imagine that if everyone that just wanted the BD, were to sell the included DVD copy or even resell the DVD copy they already own, it would impact Universal’s catalog revenues. Though, considering you can already buy the films brand new for a dollar on ebay, sales commissions would seem likely higher than what you could make trying to unload a used copy, much less one without even a case. Regardless, among those that do want a DVD copy for their kid, the car, or the bedroom, a separate disc seems unanimously preferred.

And just how many fans are out there who don’t already own the DVDs anyway? As was said when Universal tried the same thing with HD DVD, including a DVD quality copy only makes economic sense for new release films. Every studio appears to get that except Universal. Maybe they’ve found a new way of subsidizing production costs. Either way, it seems they aren’t listening or have an agenda other than consumer demand that’s motivating them.

I won’t even go into those DVD drives that will scratch the top of the disc. My 1st gen PS3 even manages to scratch Blu-rays on occasion. Though I've yet to figure out how or why it only happens with some discs.

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An "industry first"? Didn't Universal and Warners already do this with HD-DVD? Guess BD is still playing catch-up. I seem to remember those combo owners had some issues with it. (Although I never did.) It will be interesting to see how well these combos hold-up in the long run.

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Specifically related to Blu-ray, so "technically" speaking I guess it qualifies.

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I still haven't picked up the original BDs and the new stand alone releases are even less appealing. I like the movies, but never could wrap my wallet around Universal's price premium on the box set. Fox's X-Men set cost a lot less and included 3 discs for each film. Even Universal's own Fast and Furious trilogy sells for less than their Bourne set, despite the addition of digital copies in the former.

These standalone discs appear to be priced a bit more affordably or at least are being discounted better. But I don't trust them and resent Universal a little for engineering something that's been almost universally panned, if not despised since DVD10s, not to mention the subsequent fire fueled by problems with DVD18s. I'm sure they'll eventually get all the bugs worked out, if there are any. But I've got an early BD50 copy of the Prestige that played perfectly when Disney shipped it to me and won't now. Even at $15 each, it may be more of a gamble than an investment, if there's a chance the disc won't play in 2-3 years.

It's not just that the longevity of the discs hasn't been tested; it's that Universal has invested in something that nobody wants, except maybe their own investors. Maybe this is their way of controlling residual sales; as I imagine that if everyone that just wanted the BD, were to sell the included DVD copy or even resell the DVD copy they already own, it would impact Universal's catalog revenues. Though, considering you can already buy the films brand new for a dollar on ebay, sales commissions would seem likely higher than what you could make trying to unload a used copy, much less one without even a case. Regardless, among those that do want a DVD copy for their kid, the car, or the bedroom, a separate disc seems unanimously preferred.

And just how many fans are out there who don't already own the DVDs anyway? As was said when Universal tried the same thing with HD DVD, including a DVD quality copy only makes economic sense for new release films. Every studio appears to get that except Universal. Maybe they've found a new way of subsidizing production costs. Either way, it seems they aren't listening or have an agenda other than consumer demand that's motivating them.

I won't even go into those DVD drives that will scratch the top of the disc. My 1st gen PS3 even manages to scratch Blu-rays on occasion. Though I've yet to figure out how or why it only happens with some discs.

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Interesting perspective Chad. In terms of longevity testing I guess it would be hard to say. I still have several HD DVD/DVD's in my collection that play perfectly. I haven't done a direct comparison relative to thickness but will report back when I have. Both of these played just fine on the PS3 and my Oppo.

I agree regarding supplying a DVD copy however this is another means to an end I guess.


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I much prefer the Disney option that includes the Blu-ray, DVD and a digital copy. I really don't want a flipper disc because the DVD copy of any movie I own will be used in portable units and/ or the car. I don't want the Blu-ray exposed to these enviroments.

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Ralph,

Thanks for the nice write up. Have been waiting for this one for a while now just because i was waiting for your review on it.

I apologize in advanced or if i missed it in your review but can you tell me when you received this Blu Ray was it in two seperate boxes or just one box but with both titles in it? Reason i ask is if the Bourne Ultimatum was delayed why would i buy this now when i can probably get the Bourne Trilogiy which includes all 3 titles for a cheaper price?

Normally in my experience these studios tend to rake in the profit whenever they release something seperate (at least most of the time) rather than a box set.

If this is anything similar in terms of A/V quality to the bundled The Bourne Trilogy then i'll just grab that one? This is the one i'm referring to... http://http://www.amazon.com/Trilogy-Identity-Supremacy-Ultimatum-Blu-ray/dp/B001LPWGE6/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1264020519&sr=8-2

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Ralph,

Thanks for the nice write up. Have been waiting for this one for a while now just because i was waiting for your review on it.

I apologize in advanced or if i missed it in your review but can you tell me when you received this Blu Ray was it in two seperate boxes or just one box but with both titles in it? Reason i ask is if the Bourne Ultimatum was delayed why would i buy this now when i can probably get the Bourne Trilogiy which includes all 3 titles for a cheaper price?

Normally in my experience these studios tend to rake in the profit whenever they release something seperate (at least most of the time) rather than a box set.

If this is anything similar in terms of A/V quality to the bundled The Bourne Trilogy then i'll just grab that one? This is the one i'm referring to... http://http://www.amazon.com/Trilogy-Identity-Supremacy-Ultimatum-Blu-ray/dp/B001LPWGE6/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1264020519&sr=8-2

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James, they are available separately.


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Are these any different to the ones that were released together? Is the quality the same?
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Are these any different to the ones that were released together? Is the quality the same?

Quality is exactly the same.

As for Chad's argument, I agree with him 100%. I can't figure out why Universal is going this route on a catalog title of a popular movie that most fans would already have either the box set of the BDs or at least DVD copies of the films.

Disney is doing it the right way...include a DVD, a digital copy, and the BD...heck, even charge a couple bucks more for the convenience factor. I just don't trust the flipper disc concept, although I didn't have to boil either of the Bourne discs to get them to play (something I had to do with one HD DVD flipper from the studio).

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Quality is exactly the same.

As for Chad's argument, I agree with him 100%. I can't figure out why Universal is going this route on a catalog title of a popular movie that most fans would already have either the box set of the BDs or at least DVD copies of the films.

Disney is doing it the right way...include a DVD, a digital copy, and the BD...heck, even charge a couple bucks more for the convenience factor. I just don't trust the flipper disc concept, although I didn't have to boil either of the Bourne discs to get them to play (something I had to do with one HD DVD flipper from the studio).

I agree 100% with Chad and Dave. Disney has it right with the separate BD, DVD, and digital copy, all of which have very different environments that they will live in. You do NOT want the BD disc in the hands of the portable DVD/car player/kids torture test area! Talk about durability testing.

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I already own these films on DVD & HD-DVD. Doesn't sound like enough here to warrant a "triple dip". Excellent review (as always) Ralph.

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An "industry first"? Didn't Universal and Warners already do this with HD-DVD? Guess BD is still playing catch-up. I seem to remember those combo owners had some issues with it. (Although I never did.) It will be interesting to see how well these combos hold-up in the long run.


My HD-DVDs of the three films are just fine. Only one is the dreaded combo and I've been lucky with it.

Universal's decision to bring the Combo Disc (no matter what else they call it) to Blu Ray is not the best one.

So the fact that these are combo discs makes it a no-buy for me.
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I have the hd dvd combos and they have worked just fine.

I purchased the blu ray combos at $15 a piece. Could not see paying $65 for the box set on amazon and did not want to deal with the sub title issue of the uk versions.
I had no problems with all 3 of the movies in my sony bd 350. There is a rumor of ultimatum combo was recalled and the ones that are good to go have a red dot on the back side towards the lower right hand corner.
Mine from best buy did have this red dot.
I am in support of combos whether flippers or separate dvd discs.
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I much prefer the Disney option that includes the Blu-ray, DVD and a digital copy. I really don't want a flipper disc because the DVD copy of any movie I own will be used in portable units and/ or the car. I don't want the Blu-ray exposed to these enviroments.

I agree with this 100%. I love having the Blu Ray for the Theater and the DVD for the kids room.
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Ralph, can you comment as to the differences (other than the quality) between the (overpriced) box set and these single releases, other than the flipper disc feature? Is there bonus material lacking on these discs? Just wondering, as it seems as though Universal is competing with themselves on this release, and the box set is not a savings over purchasing the individual titles.

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I wish reviewers and Blu-ray customers would unite and send a message to the studios that the majority of BD customers do not want flipper discs period. They did not work well with HD DVD and we do not know the long term reliability for Blu-ray products.

Customers should avoid buying them and reviewers should refuse to review them. The BDA should prohibit them too.
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I already own these films on DVD & HD-DVD. Doesn't sound like enough here to warrant a "triple dip". Excellent review (as always) Ralph.

I too own both on HD DVD, but Fry's was selling them for $14 bucks today. And for a reference DTS-HD MA track, it is worth it to me.
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Doesn't sound like much of a reason to upgrade from the HD DVD for me.
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A great reveiw and I agree 100%

However, I am thinking we need some sort of FTC regulations given the godfather, where they put the same blu-ray in a different package and now along comes Bourme,

We need something that says where, when and how the transfer was made RIGHT ON THE PACKAGE so people not smart enough to read Ralph's reveiws, do not rush out and buy what they already have, thinking they got an upgrade, when all they get is another package/wrapper/box (and gluing a dvd on the back of an already released blu-ray and selling it in a different package, does not make the movie a new release)

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