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74






Studio and Year: Warner - 1990
MPAA Rating: R
Feature running time: 145 minutes
Genre: Crime/Drama

Disc Format: BD-25
Encoding: VC-1
Video Aspect: 1.85:1
Resolution: 1080p/24


Audio Format(s): English Dolby Digital 5.1, French/Spanish Dolby Stereo
Subtitles: English SDH, French, Spanish
Starring: Robert DeNiro, Joe Pesci, Paul Sorvino, Ray Liotta, Lorraine Bracco,
Directed by: Martin Scorsese
Written by: Nicholas Pileggi & Martin Scorsese
Region Code: A

Blu-ray Disc release Date: February 16, 2010







"As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a gangster"



Film Synopsis:

From Nicholas Pileggi's true-life bestseller Wiseguy, GoodFellas explores the criminal life like no other movie. Directed and co-written by Martin Scorsese, it was judged 1990's Best Picture by the New York, Los Angeles and National Society of Film Critics. Electrifying performances abound and from a standout cast that includes Robert De Niro, Ray Liotta, Lorraine Bracco and Paul Sorvino, Joe Pesci walked off with the Best Supporting Actor Academy Award.




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Goodfellas is a semi-fictional crime drama based on the non-fiction book Wiseguy by Nicholas Pileggi, who also co-wrote the screenplay for the film with Scorsese. It spans three decades and follows the rise and fall of three gangsters, Henry Hill (Liotta), Tommy DeVito (Joe Pesci), and Jimmy The Gent Conway. Truly a classic piece of American Cinema, Goodfellas epitomizes the gangster genre and romanticizes the mob with endearing characters, visceral candor, and intriguing expose that is thoroughly engrossing. I am a fan and love the development of the relationships among the principles in Paulie, Henry, Tommy, Jimmy and Karen. This story defines the mafia mentality and their quest for wealth, respect and status. I love its depiction of how they view things from an entirely different perspective/approach. Case and point is the scene involving the mailman. Henry is having problems at home because of correspondence coming from the school relative to his flagrant truancy. No problem, lets beat the crap out of the mailman and threaten him with serious bodily harm should any more mail reach his house from the school. I love it. Their code of ethics is simple, never rat on your friends, and always keep your mouth shut. There are rules though, and if you decide that living the life suits you then you had best learn them. Principle among them is that you can't touch a made guy without permission. This is an offense that is punishable by death, no matter who you are. Unfortunately, Tommy's quick and violent temper lands himself, Jimmy and Henry in mortal danger for just such an offense. That event and the circumstances that immediately follow cement their relationship which would last for years. Of course the mob being the mob those events are not the secret they thought, nor forgotten as they'd hoped. The story is narrated by and revolves primarily around Henry and sees him go from a kid enamored by the style, wealth, and brashness of the mafia to a person of stature among their ranks. He takes to the life of an earner through means of intimidation, bribery, robbery, and pillaging. He falls in love with and marries Karen, who quickly finds out that the life of a gangster wife has more down than upsides however she enjoys it when live is good and adapts. Although a person of stature Henry will never achieve the untouchable status of a made man, since he is of Irish heritage. After years of riding the lightning Henry finds that when the chips are down the only person he can truly trust is himself. The life he loved the people he respected are gone. He is an average nobody, left to live the rest of his life a schnook.

Goodfellas is a classic film that is oft quoted and fondly memorialized as one of the best gangster flicks ever. It's evocative, timeless, powerful and richly entertaining. Scorsese is at his best as he engages the audience by drawing us into the world inhabited by these characters and ensuring that we become invested in them. He assembled a superb cast, headlined by Robert DeNiro, Paul Sorvino, Joe Pesci, Ray Liotta, and Lorraine Bracco. There are a plethora of supporting roles that contribute to the success and credibility of the acting ensemble. Many of them will be familiar to fans of the HBO TV series The Sopranos. Goodfellas was nominated for 6 Academy Awards including Best Picture (it lost to Dances with wolves). Among its many accolades it has been deemed "culturally significant" by the United States Library of Congress and selected for preservation in the National Film Registry. Other than the Godfather it is generally considered the best mob/gangster ever, although I am sure there are those that would place this film ahead of it. I find it to be one of those films that never loses its appeal and holds up extremely well under repeat viewings. I appreciate the fact that Warner has released it in this 20th Anniversary Blu-ray Book edition however the fact that is contains the same video/audio encoding as the previous release makes it a less compelling offering for those that already own it in high definition.









Parental Guide:

The rating is for strong/brutal violence, pervasive language, drug content, and thematic material.






AUDIO/VIDEO - By The Numbers:
REFERENCE = 92-100 / EXCELLENT = 83-91 / GOOD = 74-82 / AVERAGE = 65-73 / BELOW AVERAGE = under 65

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Audio: 72



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Video: 76


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Goodfellas comes to Blu-ray Disc from Warner featuring 1080p VC-1 encoded video that has an average bitrate of 19 mbps and lossy Dolby Digital 5.1 channel audio that has a constant bitrate of 640 kbps.

I was pleasantly surprised at how good this encoding looked. Images were fairly resolute with consistent sharpness and two dimensional depth during brightly lit scenes. Fine detail was apparent in close ups and many of the long range daytime camera shots of the city locales showed off the texture/physical makeup of the streets and structures. Resolution wasn't absolute and there were instances where the video took on a flatter perspective that called fidelity into question. Colors were rendered cleanly and appeared satisfying with no signs of bleeding or excess saturation. Flesh tones were well varied and looked solid. Blacks were a bit muddy and shadow detail was just average. An anomaly at approximately 76 minutes in (a black line in the middle of the screen) is readily apparent and has been present in every version of this film that I have seen on home video. I have no idea why Warner doesn't re-master it as this film easily justifies it. Grain is present with noticeable texture and consistency that appears natural. The lack of lossless audio is noted and disappointing. The dated elements present in the soundtrack recording are obvious. Dynamics are not authoritative which leaves moments of impact lacking in potency. Dialogue sounds articulate through the center channel and blends well with the main channels to produce a seamless soundstage that hovers closely to the front of the room. Surround activity is reserved for ambient background filler and diffuse support of the music score whose main body was delivered through the front three channels. There was enough spatial quality in this mix so that the soundscape occasionally broadened and felt more involving. Clarity and detail were excellent which paid dividends during the film's active and quieter moments. Bass frequencies were held to the upper registers which didn't leave much work for the subwoofer but I never missed them.



Bonus Features:


  • Commentaries tracks: Cast/Crew and Cop/Crook

  • Getting made featurette - 29 minutes, featuring new/vintage interviews chronicling the making of Goodfellas

  • Made men: The Goodfellas legacy - 13 minutes - featuring the perspectives of various filmmakers

  • Paper is cheaper than film - Sketch to screen comparisons

  • The workaday gangster - 8 minute feature

  • Theatrical trailer

  • Comes packaged in a 34 page book with photos, talent files, production background and more

  • Bonus DVD: Public Enemies - The golden age of gangster film - 105 minute documentary hosted by Alec Baldwin




Final Thoughts:

Goodfellas is a classic American film that is beloved by many and heralded as one of the best gangster movies of all time. This 20th Anniversary Blu-ray Book Edition releases marks its second foray onto Blu-ray Disc from Warner Brothers. It makes for a worthy keepsake for fans although those that already own it in high definition may not be so inclined since there is no difference in audio/video quality. While this isn't a technically strong presentation I found that it conveyed the film's elements just fine. The supplied bonus supplements aren't extensive however they are pertinent and add to the enjoyment of this Blu-ray offering from Warner. If you don't already own Goodfellas in high definition or by some chance have never seen it this set comes highly recommended. The choice to upgrade from a previous high definition release will depend on how badly you want the collectible Blu-ray Book and Bonus DVD documentary. Regardless of which incarnation you own this film deserves a place in every movie collection.









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Thanks Mr. Potts for the review. Goodfellas is one of my all-time favorite movies. I already own the earlier Blu-ray, and its seems there is no reason to double-dip as the video and sound are identical.
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It sounds like Warner just used the HD DVD transfer which isn't great(dark and grainy), oh well thanks for the review Ralph.
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At least the HD-DVD is DD+...I still can't believe that they tarnish such awesome movies like this in anniversary editions with DD lossy audio....disappointing.
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Isn't this the exact same disc as the previously released Blu-ray in a new digibook package?

There is no excuse for this. Calling it a 20th anniversary edition without doing a restoration and including a lossless audio track makes this disc look like nothing more than a quick money grab.

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Thanks Mr. Potts for the review. Goodfellas is one of my all-time favorite movies. I already own the earlier Blu-ray, and its seems there is no reason to double-dip as the video and sound are identical.

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Yep. Had they restored - remastered it (4 or 8k) with lossless audio, I'd snap it up, but this is sad.

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This is my favorite movie, just slightly ahead of "A Clockwork Orange", and I own it in various incarnations. I was looking forward to finally have the Ultimate version but I'll pass until the 25th anniversary or whenever they get around to giving this great film the remastering it deserves.

Thanks Ralph for the timely heads up.
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What a dissapointment. Just a retread of the old blu-ray with no lossless audio. This great film deserves better. This is just a classic double-dip. Sell the same thing twice with a new fancy package.
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Had the Dvd version ...sold it ,knowing this was coming... guess I'll get whatever I can get my hands on for cheap since there is no difference...what a dissapointment !

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I've had the HD DVD version for a few years now and I admit I was disappointed in PQ as I expected a much better impact taking such a classic to HD.

However, I'm assuming your LOW rating on this film is based upon that less than stellar result and not the film itself as it stands as a classic that can be revisited regularly and still be enjoyed.

I expected something more on par with the remastering of the God Father series which was quite excellent in both PQ and Sound. It just troubles me that I see you review what I consider crapola films with higher ratings than this Classic and those films certainly will never be classics in any sense.

I would NEVER rate this Film a LOW "74" whereas I would rate it's transfer results to HD a "74". One rates either the film and it's presentation impact as Film and entertainment value while the other rates the technical transfer to BD and it's end result - they are not the same thing IMO. I was shocked to see a 74 for a Classic film such as this - but of course perhaps it'll serve as a warning to those expecting Godfather BD results and they are not there when it comes to PQ/Sound transition IMO either.

Just as a side note with winter time blues/boredom my wife and I sat down to view the Band of Brothers series in BD this past weekend which I bought a year ago and never viewed and we were blown away by it's PQ and sound as it easily surpassed the broadcast version we originally viewed on HBO in HD - it was simply outstanding in every respect and what a deal when I got it on an Amazon Gold Box Special for around $37 for Ten Parts. Seeing ten parts across a two day weekend has a much more dramatic effect versus watching the series on HBO scattered across ten weeks and this was one of the best BD packages I've ever viewed and worth every penny.

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I've had the HD DVD version for a few years now and I admit I was disappointed in PQ as I expected a much better impact taking such a classic to HD.

However, I'm assuming your LOW rating on this film is based upon that less than stellar result and not the film itself as it stands as a classic that can be revisited regularly and still be enjoyed.

I expected something more on par with the remastering of the God Father series which was quite excellent in both PQ and Sound. It just troubles me that I see you review what I consider crapola films with higher ratings than this Classic and those films certainly will never be classics in any sense.

I would NEVER rate this Film a LOW "74" whereas I would rate it's transfer results to HD a "74". One rates either the film and it's presentation impact as Film and entertainment value while the other rates the technical transfer to BD and it's end result - they are not the same thing IMO. I was shocked to see a 74 for a Classic film such as this - but of course perhaps it'll serve as a warning to those expecting Godfather BD results and they are not there when it comes to PQ/Sound transition IMO either.

Just as a side note with winter time blues/boredom my wife and I sat down to view the Band of Brothers series in BD this past weekend which I bought a year ago and never viewed and we were blown away by it's PQ and sound as it easily surpassed the broadcast version we originally viewed on HBO in HD - it was simply outstanding in every respect and what a deal when I got it on an Amazon Gold Box Special for around $37 for Ten Parts. Seeing ten parts across a two day weekend has a much more dramatic effect versus watching the series on HBO scattered across ten weeks and this was one of the best BD packages I've ever viewed and worth every penny.

Take heart. Ralph's reviews always state the number (in this case 74) is the average of the audio and video only. If you check the review, it has a separate rating for the quality of the film itself. In Goodfellas case, 5/5. The emphasis of the review is often the technical presentation due to the forum it appears in. ^_^ Apologies if I misunderstood what you were saying.


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The rating was actually 99 with 25% kicked back to Pauly.
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I've had the HD DVD version for a few years now and I admit I was disappointed in PQ as I expected a much better impact taking such a classic to HD.

However, I'm assuming your LOW rating on this film is based upon that less than stellar result and not the film itself as it stands as a classic that can be revisited regularly and still be enjoyed.

I expected something more on par with the remastering of the God Father series which was quite excellent in both PQ and Sound. It just troubles me that I see you review what I consider crapola films with higher ratings than this Classic and those films certainly will never be classics in any sense.

I would NEVER rate this Film a LOW "74" whereas I would rate it's transfer results to HD a "74". One rates either the film and it's presentation impact as Film and entertainment value while the other rates the technical transfer to BD and it's end result - they are not the same thing IMO. I was shocked to see a 74 for a Classic film such as this - but of course perhaps it'll serve as a warning to those expecting Godfather BD results and they are not there when it comes to PQ/Sound transition IMO either.

Just as a side note with winter time blues/boredom my wife and I sat down to view the Band of Brothers series in BD this past weekend which I bought a year ago and never viewed and we were blown away by it's PQ and sound as it easily surpassed the broadcast version we originally viewed on HBO in HD - it was simply outstanding in every respect and what a deal when I got it on an Amazon Gold Box Special for around $37 for Ten Parts. Seeing ten parts across a two day weekend has a much more dramatic effect versus watching the series on HBO scattered across ten weeks and this was one of the best BD packages I've ever viewed and worth every penny.


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Take heart. Ralph's reviews always state the number (in this case 74) is the average of the audio and video only. If you check the review, it has a separate rating for the quality of the film itself. In Goodfellas case, 5/5. The emphasis of the review is often the technical presentation due to the forum it appears in. ^_^ Apologies if I misunderstood what you were saying.

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Chirpie is absolutely correct. The 74 is a rating on the disc's technical aspects while the film rating is 5 out of 5. This is clearly indicated at the top of each review.

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The rating was actually 99 with 25% kicked back to Pauly.

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Great movie, geez it's been 20 years? I am getting old!

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It is still the best gangster movie ever made!

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20th anniversary? whats the price? is it the same price as the regular blue ray or is it more? and dont leave us canadians out, Eh?

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