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80






Studio and Year: Columbia Pictures - 1995
MPAA Rating: R
Feature running time: 119 minutes
Genre: Action

Disc Format: BD-50
Encoding: AVC (MPEG-4)
Video Aspect: 1.85:1
Resolution: 1080p/24


Audio Format(s): English/French/Portuguese DTS-HD 5.1 Master Audio, Spanish Dolby Digital 5.1
Subtitles: English, English SDH, French, Portuguese, Spanish
Starring: Will Smith, Martin Lawrence, Tea Leoni, Tcheky Karyo, Joe Pantaliano
Directed by: Michael Bay
Music by: Mark Mancina
Written by: Michael Barrie, Jim Mulholland, Doug Richardson
Region Code: A,B,C

Blu-ray Disc release Date: June 1, 2010







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Film Synopsis:

After the biggest bust of their careers, detectives Mike Lowrey and Marcus Burnett are kings of the hill...until a brilliant thief steals $120 million worth of heroin out from under their noses. With only four days to solve the crime before FBI shuts them down, Mike and Marcus have just one hope, a skittish eyewitness who might lead them to the thieves. But there's a catch: married man Marcus has to pretend to be his bachelor partner in order to win her confidence.



My Take:

Will Smith and Martin Lawrence team up as partners in crime, crime-fighting that is, in this action-packed flick about a couple of good guys who are real BAD BOYS! One hundred million dollars worth of confiscated heroin has just been jacked from police custody. Once the career bust of Detective Mike Lowery (Will Smith) and Marcus Burnett (Martin Lawrence), the missing drugs now threaten to shutdown the narcotics division of the Miami Police Department. When the drug investigation turns deadly, the murderers kidnap the only witness, a beautiful police informant (Tea Leoni) and close friend of the boys, which makes things get personal!

Some may find this hard to believe but prior to this review I have never seen Bad Boys. I am a Will Smith fan however I think the primary reason I never went out of my way to see it is the presence of Martin Lawrence who I generally find annoying. I have always heard good things about it and being an action film fan I looked forward to finally checking it out in high definition. This is a Michael Bay/Jerry Bruckheimer collaboration featuring a typically shallow plotline that revolves around cops, bad guys, and drugs while featuring cardboard cutout characterizations and bombastic action. It works just fine though as Lawrence/Smith make a good pairing that adds to the fun while Tea Leoni lends a strong, sexy female presence that fits into the fold nicely. My man Joe (Joey Pants) Pantaliano seems a little out of place and underused as the grumbling but supportive narcotics Captain and Marg Helgenberger’s nagging role of the internal affairs officer out to shut the unit down adds little. Neither detracts from the film’s primary focus which is to get to the wise cracking comradery, action based set pieces and sexy interplay that makes Bad Boys fun to watch. I am still not a Martin Lawrence fan but he didn’t spoil my enjoyment of this formulaic but entertaining action thriller that I found to be worth the wait.



Parental Guide:

For intense violent action and pervasive language.






AUDIO/VIDEO - By The Numbers:
REFERENCE = 92-100 / EXCELLENT = 83-91 / GOOD = 74-82 / AVERAGE = 65-73 / BELOW AVERAGE = under 65

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Audio: 78



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Video: 82


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Bad Boys comes to Blu-ray Disc from Sony featuring 1080p AVC encoded video that has an average bitrate of 25 Mbps and lossless DTS-HD 5.1 Master Audio sound that has an average bitrate of 3.5 Mbps.

This being my first experience with this film I had no frame of reference for what it would look or sound like. Black levels are stable so that scenes containing mixed content look well balanced while exhibiting good dynamic range in dark areas. Detail in shadows provides enough visibility to make out shapes and structure in backgrounds. Colors are cleanly reproduced and don’t exhibit over saturation or smearing. Flesh tones are on the money with lifelike depiction and natural tonality. Sharpness and the rendering of fine detail can be a bit inconsistent as there are instances when the video doesn’t exhibit definitive clarity and resolute definition. This predominantly occurs during long range pans and wide angle shots but it is noticeable in close ups also. Occasional grain spikes and white level fluctuations exacerbate this which tends to obscure fine detail giving the image a slightly duller appearance. The video has an edgy appearance that could be consistent with artificial sharpening but I didn‘t notice halos around objects. While this may sound like gloom and doom the reality is that most of the time the video quality is quite good as it offers appreciable refinement, good depth/dimension, and clean rendering. Other than previously stated grain is presented in fine layers that provide texture without intrusion. I suspect that this Blu-ray presentation offers a discernible improvement over the previous standard definition releases and should please fans.

The lossless DTS-HD MA encoding makes the most of the elements present in this soundtrack which in my opinion sounds a little dated. The active elements in the recording don’t have the feeling of authority and quantifiable dynamics that you might find with today’s digital soundtracks. The surround mix imparts a fair level of impact and clarity which prevents it from sounding anemic when the action kicks in. Surround activity is frequent and when applied comes in the form of venue related ambience and discretely placed effects that fill in front to rear directional pans. I found that during several sequences effects that panned to the rear channels are mixed too high. The result negatively skews the balance of sounds moving from front to rear making them too loud and ultimately distracting. Low frequency effects are present in the mix but don’t deliver bass response that engages the room or senses. The quality of the bass fluctuates and sounds a bit tubby and lacking in palpably rich extension. Explosions, gunfire and similar effects sound dated and lacking in potency. On a positive note dialogue is crystal clear with above average room penetration. This isn’t a lackluster audio presentation however I would have liked an improved surround mix that offers more extended dynamic range and better bass reproduction.



Bonus Features:


  • This title includes Sony’s new Movie IQ features which requires a BD-Live connection and allows fans the option of viewing continuously updated details on the cast and crew and to explore relevant trivia such as production facts, music, and soundtrack information which are tied into scenes in the movie.


  • Commentary with director Michael Bay

  • Putting the boom and bang in the Bad Boys

  • Music videos:

    1. “Five-O, Five-O (here they come) – By 69 Boyz
    2. ”Shy guy” – Diana King
    3. “So many ways” – Warren G

  • (HD) Previews:

    1. Casino Royale
    2. Men in black
    3. Ghostbusters
    4. Hancock
    5. Armored
    6. Harry Brown
    7. Wild things: Foursome
    8. Unthinkable
    9. Boondock Saints II: All saints day
    10. Youth in revolt
    11. Black Dynamite

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Final Thoughts:

It took me fifteen years to finally see Bad Boys and I must admit that overall I found the film experience to be worth the wait. It certainly doesn’t break any new ground in the genre but Stars Will Smith, Martin Lawrence and Tea Leoni do well to make it an exciting, funny and sexy action thriller. Fans that have been awaiting its release on Blu-ray will be treated to admirable high definition video quality that will more than likely trump any previous home video release. The lossless DTS-HD MA soundtrack is good but would have benefited from an improved surround mix. Sony’s BD-Live powered Movie IQ feature is included along with the bulk of the bonus features contained on the 2000 Special Edition DVD release which includes a director commentary, making of featurette and three music videos. If you’re a fan this is worth picking up as it has probably never looked (or sounded) better. Otherwise I would recommend a rental prior to purchase.









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Maybe it would have seemed to break new ground, if you had seen it when it first came out.

I love this film and the sequel. It's disappointing to hear (or read) about Sony's continued (post format-war) apathy toward their catalog product. Godzilla was another one they recently released that was almost assuredly derived from an outdated master. If the presentation features EE, it's almost a sure sign of an older master, as it's my understanding that the studio used to do their edge contrast boosting during the mastering stage itself in the early years of the DVD format - a practice they seem to have discontinued at least 5 years ago. And if the master is from that period, there's no telling what other elements of the film aren't as faithful as they could be.

Oh well, at least they're still releasing catalog product on the format, regularly, despite lower sells incentive. Even if it isn't of the quality that's expected of high def and more clearly encourages an upgrade, it will still, undoubtedly, be of significantly higher fidelity than DVD. I'll give 'em until the BBII BD release to do the film's fans better or pick up the inevitable boxed set for about ten bucks per film when part 2 is eventually released. I've seen both enough times that I can afford the wait - it only enhances anticipation. Thanks for the warning.

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Great film. It's almost a throwback to the 80s style where the comedy is as important as the action ( Ghostbusters, Beverly Hills Cop, Stripes, yada yada.) Yes, I loved the 80s, sue me

"But this one goes up to 11"
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any word on when we can expect part 2 on bluray ? i can't buy one with out the other
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Also looking for release for BBII. Not clear why they wouldn't release at the same time now. Not much sense.

BBII much better (if not cheesier) than BBI in my opinion.

They show it sometims on USAHD, but it just doesn't do the movie justice.
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Now that you got around to seeing this one, Ralph, you need to fire up TRUE ROMANCE!!!! lol
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Sheesh...15 yrs ago ...wow time is flying by , I agree with the above poster...boxed set for me...19.99 at Best Buy, we only hope.

Thanks for the review King Potts ~
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Hi Ralph,

Think you are missing a word in ;

"This being my experience with this film I had no frame of reference for what it would look or sound like"

think you mean "this being my first......."
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I like BB, but I'm not sure why. Bay's spastic edits and moronic plot lines make it fundamentally flawed, but the interplay between Smith and Lawrence make the film hard to stop watching. I can't see myself upgrading my DVD to Blue-Ray though.
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Hi Ralph,

Think you are missing a word in ;

"This being my experience with this film I had no frame of reference for what it would look or sound like"

think you mean "this being my first......."

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I'll give a heads up to people with intelligence on the forum as some people seem to want to give anything a positive review.

The movie was universally panned by critics. The sequel was even more so. It is laden with plot holes. Please note for the future, should you ever have a 230 lb martial arts master about to beat you up, they will let you punch them once in the face and then smile at you. Your trick is to then hit them in the groin. This apparently always works.

You spend the entire movie watching two skinny guys who don't look or act like cops run around and try to save a girl from bad guys. They do. That's the story.

By the way, in the sequel, they invade Cuba. I'm not even kidding about that.

Don't promote horrible movies by spending any money on this thing. Please don't. Just don't do it.
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I'll give a heads up to people with intelligence on the forum as some people seem to want to give anything a positive review.

The movie was universally panned by critics. The sequel was even more so. It is laden with plot holes. Please note for the future, should you ever have a 230 lb martial arts master about to beat you up, they will let you punch them once in the face and then smile at you. Your trick is to then hit them in the groin. This apparently always works.

You spend the entire movie watching two skinny guys who don't look or act like cops run around and try to save a girl from bad guys. They do. That's the story.

By the way, in the sequel, they invade Cuba. I'm not even kidding about that.

Don't promote horrible movies by spending any money on this thing. Please don't. Just don't do it.

Dude, there are movies that are made strictly to allow the audience to laugh at mindless antics for a couple of hours, and then get back to their regular lives. Not all films have to be realistic, or believable, or poignant dramas that will be debated over for academy awards. Sometimes we just want to go for a ride at the movies, and that's the target market for this film.

If you choose not to "promote" this film by not spending money on it, then great. But I remember enjoying the film quite a lot when I saw it many years ago, and I'm glad movies like this exist.
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I'll give a heads up to people with intelligence on the forum as some people seem to want to give anything a positive review.

The movie was universally panned by critics. The sequel was even more so. It is laden with plot holes. Please note for the future, should you ever have a 230 lb martial arts master about to beat you up, they will let you punch them once in the face and then smile at you. Your trick is to then hit them in the groin. This apparently always works.

You spend the entire movie watching two skinny guys who don't look or act like cops run around and try to save a girl from bad guys. They do. That's the story.

By the way, in the sequel, they invade Cuba. I'm not even kidding about that.

Don't promote horrible movies by spending any money on this thing. Please don't. Just don't do it.

Greetings,

I must admit that I get a kick out of posts like this. Why is it that some feel the need to tell others what they should like or dislike? This is a creative work that some will appreciate for what it is while others will not.

A post like this serves no purpose other than to incite pointless debate. I respect the OP's opinion but his attempt to appeal to the "people of intelligence" on the forum regarding his opinion is futile as there are many who I am sure are more intelligent than he who enjoy this film (present company included ).

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For as long as it took for this movie to come out I was severely disappointed.

I was expecting a much better transfer. I hope Bad Boys 2, which IMO is a much better movie, looks and sounds better.

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For as long as it took for this movie to come out I was severely disappointed.

I was expecting a much better transfer. I hope Bad Boys 2, which IMO is a much better movie, looks and sounds better.


Recieved this today maybe I should of waitied.

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Recieved this today maybe I should of waitied.

Watched this last night and have to admit it was boring. Pq and aq definitley nothing to brag about. I found tombstone aq better than this.

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dOES ANYONE HAVE AN IDEA WHEN bAD bOYS 2 WILL BE ON bLU rAY?? i'M SURE THAT WILL BE REFERENCE MATERIAL.
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I'll give a heads up to people with intelligence on the forum as some people seem to want to give anything a positive review.

The movie was universally panned by critics. The sequel was even more so. It is laden with plot holes. Please note for the future, should you ever have a 230 lb martial arts master about to beat you up, they will let you punch them once in the face and then smile at you. Your trick is to then hit them in the groin. This apparently always works.

You spend the entire movie watching two skinny guys who don't look or act like cops run around and try to save a girl from bad guys. They do. That's the story.

By the way, in the sequel, they invade Cuba. I'm not even kidding about that.

Don't promote horrible movies by spending any money on this thing. Please don't. Just don't do it.

The last time I check Movies in general are a momentary escape from reality. The movie is 15 years old, & back then it was awesome. Will Smith & Martin Lawrence have awesome chemistry. Any way every has a right to their opinion.
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Greetings,

I must admit that I get a kick out of posts like this. Why is it that some feel the need to tell others what they should like or dislike? This is a creative work that some will appreciate for what it is while others will not.

A post like this serves no purpose other than to incite pointless debate. I respect the OP's opinion but his attempt to appeal to the "people of intelligence" on the forum regarding his opinion is futile as there are many who I am sure are more intelligent than he who enjoy this film (present company included ).

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+1, I received this for fathers day and i just love it, your right on point again thanks for the review.
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+1, I received this for fathers day and i just love it, your right on point again thanks for the review.

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Almost grabbed this today for under 10 bucks, which is what I figure most catalog titles that haven't clearly been given a new, premium effort are worth. But, I just know Sony is going to do something stupid like release part 2 in a box set, exclusively for a year or two, so I decided to wait.

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