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post #91 of 109 Old 03-12-2014, 05:21 PM
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I rent at a Family Video. All their Lionsgate movies have been DD5.1 that I've rented this year, so it's not just Redbox. I didn't realize this till I came home with the movie and DTS-MA was not an option. mad.gif

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I am about 2/3 of the way through this one (got too tired after work last night....will finish tonight), and even though I do like this one better than the first one so far, I just can't understand why this franchise is so popular. I find them to be very depressing and uncomfortable for the most part. The first one really left me feeling awkward with all the killing of children, to the degree that I just had no desire to see it a second time. I'm already feeling similarly with this one, albeit for different reasons.

I'm not saying these are bad films, I'm just really surprised that people are so gung ho about films with this subject material.
Perhaps you're living in a cocoon. tongue.gif...I'm not sure that people necessarily feel comfortable about it, but the doom and gloom that permeates society these days is reflected in movies like this.
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Perhaps you're living in a cocoon. tongue.gif...I'm not sure that people necessarily feel comfortable about it, but the doom and gloom that permeates society these days is reflected in movies like this.

Sounds like a good reason to stay in my cocoon then!


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In literature, it's called a Dystopia (as contrasted with Utopia). As Dystopian fiction this is first-rate stuff.

I liked the first one a lot, though I bought it and didn't watch it for many months. We didn't see it at the cinema, so I patiently waited until my GF finally agreed to watch it. I wasn't sure what we were getting into, but she liked it a whole lot, and I was impressed, too. I thought Jennifer Lawrence was incredible, and the general oppressive/indulgent theme was very cleanly articulated. I felt the characters were well-defined, as were the societal extremes, and I eagerly awaited the second installment.

The character development in Catching Fire is very well wrought, and I think that has to do in some part to the change in directors and also the maturing of the franchise. It's easier to see the trajectory of the main characters as they come face-to-face with the Dystopian world in which they live. Even Snow is a better-defined character--human after all.

It's a common theme, after all, under the mightiest of oppressive regimes a hero (or heroine) will rise, often unwillingly, unwittingly.

I know we sometimes fixate on one aspect of a film. What's the LFE? How pristine is the picture? How effectively does the surround create a verisimilitude of what we expect to hear in real life? Does the plot make sense? Are there scientific, logical, or physical flaws in the presentation?

For me, it starts with characterization. Regardless of anachronisms, failures of science, physics, or logic, and plot holes, if the characters resonate with me, then all is good. In this case, the characters, the plot, and the message all make eminent subjective sense. The audio presentation in my home gives me all the "you are there" that I need, and the video contains a sense of realism and immediacy that causes me to forget anything other than what's on screen. I feel the impact in my chest, I hear the screams all around me, I sense the stillness of the moment, and I hear the break in Katniss's voice as though she's right next to me. It doesn't get much better.

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I am about 2/3 of the way through this one (got too tired after work last night....will finish tonight), and even though I do like this one better than the first one so far, I just can't understand why this franchise is so popular. I find them to be very depressing and uncomfortable for the most part. The first one really left me feeling awkward with all the killing of children, to the degree that I just had no desire to see it a second time. I'm already feeling similarly with this one, albeit for different reasons.

I'm not saying these are bad films, I'm just really surprised that people are so gung ho about films with this subject material.


Because the most part we live in a society of pure doom and gloom, most folks eat this stuff up. Every so often we're running around thinking the wold will end at some predestined date , prophesying our demise! I think people tend to feel powerful in these scenarios when seeing them on film, in turn getting a healthy amount of sleep hours smile.gif




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Sounds like a good reason to stay in my cocoon then!
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I rent at a Family Video. All their Lionsgate movies have been DD5.1 that I've rented this year, so it's not just Redbox. I didn't realize this till I came home with the movie and DTS-MA was not an option. mad.gif
95% of people couldn't care less. So I'm actually surprised more studios don't do this if it saves them money. I certainly care and have an audio setup that cares, but I know my parents, siblings, and friends wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

It does seem petty. Really how much more per disc could it cost to include the additional audio?
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It does seem petty. Really how much more per disc could it cost to include the additional audio?


This: Exactly what i was wondering, "really you already have this mix, just added to the rest! To me seem more expensive just to have more than one version.


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Watched this last night, faaantastic!! Loved every minute of it. I watched it in scope and didn't realise the change ( I guess I was enjoying the movie too much to even notice it )
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Watched this last night, faaantastic!! Loved every minute of it. I watched it in scope and didn't realise the change ( I guess I was enjoying the movie too much to even notice it )

Thanks for the report Franin! So you thought the IMAX portions framed well enough in scope?

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I am about 2/3 of the way through this one (got too tired after work last night....will finish tonight), and even though I do like this one better than the first one so far, I just can't understand why this franchise is so popular. I find them to be very depressing and uncomfortable for the most part. The first one really left me feeling awkward with all the killing of children, to the degree that I just had no desire to see it a second time. I'm already feeling similarly with this one, albeit for different reasons.

I'm not saying these are bad films, I'm just really surprised that people are so gung ho about films with this subject material.

Dystopian future stories are mean to be depressing and uncomfortable or they wouldn't be called dystopian future stories.. smile.gif As for the "killing of children", this is a key part of how it is trying to make you feel uncomfortable and outraged at the 'bad guys'. It is for the target audience (teens) of the books to see themselves in the story. There is also the fact that every movie that shows wars is where children were slaughtered by the thousands, some represent this in some way but most don't. There is also the fact that most of these kids are more than old enough to have been part of almost any war or other battle up until recently in developed countries. Kids younger than what is on the shows are part of wars/battles/gangs etc all over the world today. This movie is very very tame compared to some sad aspects of reality. Watch Battle Royale if you want to really have an issue with kid-killing-kids movies.. wink.gif
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Dystopian future stories are mean to be depressing and uncomfortable or they wouldn't be called dystopian future stories.. smile.gif As for the "killing of children", this is a key part of how it is trying to make you feel uncomfortable and outraged at the 'bad guys'. It is for the target audience (teens) of the books to see themselves in the story. There is also the fact that every movie that shows wars is where children were slaughtered by the thousands, some represent this in some way but most don't. There is also the fact that most of these kids are more than old enough to have been part of almost any war or other battle up until recently in developed countries. Kids younger than what is on the shows are part of wars/battles/gangs etc all over the world today. This movie is very very tame compared to some sad aspects of reality. Watch Battle Royale if you want to really have an issue with kid-killing-kids movies.. wink.gif

Yeah, I've seen Battle Royale, but I think you're missing the point of what I said. I'm simply surprised that such a film could reach such amazing popularity. In a way, to me, it would be as if Schindler's List had people just overly enthusiastic about it and saying how much they can't wait for the next installment. And before some of you start lunging at your keyboards, I am fully aware that that is an extreme example, I'm simply using it to further explain my comment.

PS: Having now seen the end of Catching Fire, I love where the franchise is going...so I don't share the same feeling about t his one that I did for the first film, which is good news for me. I'm actually eager to see where this goes now.
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Based on the first, I wouldn't have bothered watching this one, but the reviews were encouraging. Yes, the dystopia is still on tap, but the children-killing spree is over.
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Based on the first, I wouldn't have bothered watching this one, but the reviews were encouraging. Yes, the dystopia is still on tap, but the children-killing spree is over.

It's a better film, IMO. Worth a viewing for sure.

Was sad for me seeing Phillip Seymour Hoffman, as he's been my favorite actor for a decade now, but was glad to know that he'll be in both the final two upcoming films. Apparently he taped nearly all of his scenes prior to his death.


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Just fyi...someone just commented on UK release thread forum on BR dot com that the Swedish disc is fixed 2.40:1 for those interested, so no IMAX scenes. Might be useful for those with fixed 2.35:1 type screens?
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First time I've watched the extra features in a while. I really hope the special effects guys make a butt load of money. It seems like 95% of what you see is CGI.

I like how they transitioned to the Imax camera as Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Katniss rose up into the arena. I noticed it switched over, but didn't catch that they did it as she went up. Nice touch to do it then. I wish I had seen this in Imax now.
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It's a better film, IMO. Worth a viewing for sure.

Was sad for me seeing Phillip Seymour Hoffman, as he's been my favorite actor for a decade now, but was glad to know that he'll be in both the final two upcoming films. Apparently he taped nearly all of his scenes prior to his death.
He had one major scene left that was going to take some intense acting by him and one or two where he was just in the scene (or so I heard this week). Selfishly I am glad he was able to do most of it. He was the perfect casting for Plutarch.
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He had one major scene left that was going to take some intense acting by him and one or two where he was just in the scene (or so I heard this week). Selfishly I am glad he was able to do most of it. He was the perfect casting for Plutarch.
I agree...he was perfect for that role, although I'm very much biased and can't think of any role he's portrayed where he didn't do a great job. I still can't believe he's gone....


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