Originally Posted by mphfrom77
Quote: Originally Posted by stepyourgameup
Episode I was unwatchable period.
I forgot how painful Jar Jar Binks was. Also some other things in that movie can be a little painful as well. But it's all good. A lot of people seem to have problems with George Lucas this and George Lucas that. I believe, though, that all of the Star Wars movies are meant for the young crowd and therefore I understand why silly things that do not need to be said by the characters are indeed spoken, and other painful things and that may be why many adults do not like Episode I, for example, . But I am a fan of the series and if they add to the story then I'm watching it.
I got my complete Saga in on the 16th and watched Episode I as well. I have always liked the Pod race scene very much for some reason. I enjoyed it in DTS-HDMA in my home. I will most likely fire that scene up again for demoing purposes.
I think he gets way too much flak for 1-3.
The films probably got hurt a bit by arriving at the end of the 90s when we'd had nearing half a decade of hardcore rap and grunge music and and darker more violent films dominating pop culture. In the brighter, more upbeat, more ridiculous 80s I think they would've landed better.
That said, he DID make a few mistakes. Star Wars ANH was a film that was great for kids but it was not written down to or at kids. Most of the greatest children's literature was not written down to them and works well for adults as well. He fell a little bit into the old Disney/80s Saturday Morning Cartoons trap with Episode 1 and he became too afraid to have aliens speak in actual alien languages with farts in the face and silly baby talk and such. Captain Tarpals was right out of the worst of the cheap Saturday morning cartoonsand lines like "yousa in deep doo-doo", in particular, and "ouch time!", coming from a tough army guy were absurd. There are a good ten lines that he put in TPM that were a bit cringe-worthy and seemed like the sort of cheap dreck from the 80s Saturday morning cartoons and not worthy of Star Wars and a little bit of an insult to the level of even the youngest kids. The final land battle in TPM had a few too many jokes and seemed a bit too clean and bright. If he had just left out/altered so few as ten lines, that alone I think would have had the film land much better.
Jar-Jar was probably a little bit on the too much side of things, although kids actually did seem to really love him, so I could live with Jar-Jar. And he didn't appear much in 2 or 3 anyway. It was more the lines like "yousa in deep doo-doo" a few times here and there, by others, that were really bad. And maybe joking around with him too much in the final battle. But I'm good at instantly tuning that out and forgetting and enjoying all the great stuff and there really was a lot of really good stuff in TPM. The bulk of it was very good and quite a few parts were fantastic.
There was nothing wrong with TPM coming from a very child-like and innocent place. If you can put aside being such a 'bad-ass' for a second, maybe you can enjoy a lot of it?
I was amazed that so few people could see what he was doing and the extreme juxtaposition he was setting up for part 3. And it's not like any reviewer didn't know part 3 was coming.
There actually was a lot of great stuff in TPM never mind AOTC and ROTS.
Some short cuts and bits in TPM were even almost like flashbacks to his '77 ANH cinematic style. You could see many glimpses of his exact directing style from the 70s.
People rant about oh too much politics, he would have never done that back in the 70s or 80s. What? First of all, what did you want, some non-stop blow-em up fest like Marvels Avengers? How was that deeper?? The politics and plotting added so much to it. Also you can read interviews with Lucas from the early 80s where he specifically said that 1-3 would have a lot of politics, maybe even so much that there would barely be any action other than for a couple bits here and there (lava pit fight and clone war). If you read his early interviews, if anything, it seems he added more adventure to 1-3 since back then. So who are these fans saying the politics made no sense and were just some nonsense from 'ruined' modern day Lucas? I mean he flat out talked about it all decades ago. A real Star Wars fan should have not been surprised in the least.
Then some say oh it's so dumb and trivial and simplistic and then two paragraphs later they are saying that the plot was 'hopelessly confusing' and that the politics made no sense. Haha, really? So you were not able to understand and follow the film (and really it was not that hard to follow) and yet it was dumb and trivial and beneath your intelligence level????
And when TPM came out some said it seemed too light and innocent and that it just seemed to end without having gotten into things more. But how did they not get the basic point that he was setting things up for a truly dramatic and painful fall a couple episodes later? Or that TPM did just kinda end because it was just the prologue! Yet people expected it to be the entire book? When it was part 1 or 1-3 (and ultimately 1-6)! Who says a movie can't play as just a prologue? Heck, look at ESB? Did that have a finish? And it was the greatest of all in the eyes of many! What are you so stuck in hard and fast rules?
And some said oh look at Anakin. He wasn't a bad seed, born evil, a vicious brat. How could Lucas have gotten the little kid Anakin so wrong?!?? He didn't! How boring would it to have been to have him been born some psychopathic sociopath little brat?? Plus how could he fall if he was born utterly evil and vicious through and through? What would there be to see of the Emperor turning him? Why would Obi-wan have ever called him a great friend when he first knew him? How could he have been redeemed at the end of ROTJ??? I mean come on people, think before you bash Lucas to pieces and insult his intelligence and call him names.
And then they are like Natalie Portman was (or was forced to be, whatever, various complaints) so wooden when she played Amidala. Duh! In TPM, she was like a 14 year old queen, of course such a young queen will act all stiff and regal, having to overcompensate for age to be taken remotely seriously!
And yeah maybe they had some slightly goofy or stilted dialogue between her and Anakin here and there in AOTC, but this was in another age and time, not today's teens and twenty-somethings, and the characters had been fairly isolated. She was a queen at 14 and then shipped off to the adult world of galaxy-wide politics and he was a little slave kid and then isolated in the Jedi temple. Would it be shocking if some of his romance with her came across as a touch dorky or this or that?
And some said, oh everything looks too shiny in 1-3. 1-3 doesn't have the same feel. Lucas lost the plot. No he didn't. What did you expect! 1-3 was at the decadent height of the Republic! 4-6 were after the fall. Look at things after communist U.S.S.R. take over, like 4-6. Look at the decadent height of the British empire 1-3. Of course things will look and feel different. Plus, in 4-6 you had a small rag tag rebellion, of course it will have a more swashbuckling different feel than movies showing the plotting and scheming of an evil politician during the height of a grand Republic. And again, read old interviews with Lucas and way back in the early 80s he said 1-3 would have a totally different look and feel, shiny, etc.
And then some went nuts over midichlorians. Why? They fit in 100% with things said in 4-6, about how Vader having lost part of his flesh became weaker in the force, etc. But a bunch of people went nuts because what? The force wasn't something you could pray and then gain or something? Because now there was no hope you could become a Jedi???? Are we living in the real world or some la-la land? YOU WERE NEVER GOING TO BECOME A JEDI EVEN BEFORE YOU FOUND OUT IT TOOK A HIGH COUNT OF SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T EXIST, MIDICHLORIANS. Wow. And for people to go literally rabidly nuts at Lucas over that. Wow.
etc. anyway this getting to be too long. But I will say that that guy who spoke in that weird tone and made those hour long videos 'shredding' 1-3 for having done this and that thing in a dumb way or an incorrect way, etc. well a lot of his complaints can actually be objectively proven wrong and a lot of comments just showed up his own lack of intelligence and understanding.
And some of the whole "he 'ruined' my childhood" crowd are now even trying to be so revisionist that they now claim 3 arrived to terrible reviews and acclaim, when part 3 actually got pretty solid reviews and even won over many the naysayers back then.
And don't forget they only did like a billion dollars business each, including TPM.