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post #271 of 3644 Old 04-22-2008, 08:39 PM - Thread Starter
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I'll try to get a couple of pics before I go on vacation Thursday. I'll have to actually go fix one, and well, you know how that goes....

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Tom:

Hey, this is Mr. Loganator. You can't come out and inspect my Electrical tomorrow can you?

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Sure, we can come out tomorrow or anytime this week.

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How about this December? Yeah, that will work for me.
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I have had the room waiting since Dec 2006 when we finished our new home and I finally started it Feb 26, 2008.

btw, last post in my thread is Mar 6, 2008 I need to update it with the drywall and painting completions.

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last post in my thread is Mar 6, 2008

That's only, like, a month and half ago. Now if you'd said March 6 2007, there would be no questions.

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Hey, this is Mr. Loganator. You can't come out and inspect my Electrical tomorrow can you?

OK, now that's just a complete fabrication. I would NEVER phrase that question in the negative because, well, I'm just such a positive kind of guy.

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Yes. Please post a good work and bad work photo. Dressing the outlets was something I was going to get the wife to do this weekend.

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This is correct way to pigtail with wirenut (or crimp in case of ground).



With ground wirenuts you can pass one of the legs thru the wirenut so your not adding an extra tail. Most electricians seem to use copper crimps on the grounds.

[EDIT] You DO NOT pigtail the hot & neutrals on a GFCI.....you must keep feed & protected loads separated. You still pigtail the grounds.

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Hmms, down here in Richmond, we needed to use those brass couplers on our grounds. A wire nut was not sufficient, in fact I didnt even use wires nuts, just the brass couplers.

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I used the green wire nut on most items.



And just crimpped a box that had too many grounds for a wirenut


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Hmms, down here in Richmond, we needed to use those brass couplers on our grounds. A wire nut was not sufficient, in fact I didnt even use wires nuts, just the brass couplers.

Surely you can't use brass couplers/crimps when pigtailing hot/neutrals?

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Sorry, my post was just about ground wires, not hot and neutral, those were pigtailed. But, I only used those brass rings above in my boxes, no wirenuts for grounds.

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I had originally done what is shown in Brit's pic on the right, with the addition of the ferrule below the wire nut. What I understand from the inspector (perhaps with 2008 code?) is to...

1. Twist all grounds
2. Make sure there is 3" of ground out of the box
3. Crimp using ferrule
4. Cut off excess beyond ferrule

This means you need to add any pigtails in when you crimp because you will not be able to add a wire nut later.

There was one other ground issue....

I have a 4-gang box for dimmers. That means, for grounds I have in the box....

1 from power
4 going out to zones (1 to each)
4 going to switches (1 to each)

Inspector wants to see ALL grounds tied to power. Any ideas there? I originally had a pigtail (crimped) from power that looped around each switch and then crimp to the 4 going out to the zones. Any ideas how to crimp NINE grounds? 14 guage if that helps any.

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Do it in lines, thats what I did Basically multiple crimps along the line, so the main coming in goes the entire length of the box, but on that all the other switches crimp onto that. so, basically each crimp is 3 wires.

Let me know if that doesnt make sense.

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Thanks!

A-ha! I was thinking something along those lines. I guess I just need to try it out and see if it flies.

Anyone else?

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You'll probably be able to use one of these. One of the lower round ones with the bolt from above. They have them at Lowe's and HD. I was looking for a crimp to be able to do my 6 zone Grafik Eye which had the 6 zones, power and a S1 accesory which use line voltage as well. They didn't have one large enough, electrician at the store at the time said I could use one of those.

In my case you really don't need to pigtail but rather leave one ground wire to be longer than the others and use that at single receptacle. In your case yes your suppossed to have a ground from each receptacle. As it turned out though the clamp was a little to big so I used the biggest wire nut I could find.
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I used the green wire nut on most items.



And just crimpped a box that had too many grounds for a wirenut


My electrical inspector wanted dressed boxes for rough in, but said that he could wait for the final (I didn't dress the boxes before hand). He did say he wanted crimp connectors (ferrules) on all of the grounds. He also wanted lots of twists on the ground wires before the ferrule.

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Thanks!

A-ha! I was thinking something along those lines. I guess I just need to try it out and see if it flies.

Anyone else?

I just wanted to be clear about one thing, the main line has to go the entire run of the box. so basically every switch is directly tied to the main ground.

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the main line has to go the entire run of the box. so basically every switch is directly tied to the main ground.

Right, got it.

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oman -

Thanks for the link. He seemed pretty adamant about using crimps, not clamps. I think I'll try mastiff's suggestion a try first.

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That's cool, I wanted to get a crimp on mine just couldn't find one big enough. Space being a commodity in GE setup I didn't want to serperate the grounds. Good luck on the next inspection.

On a side note, have you guys tried the push in connectors? No twisting required... They came standard in all my recessed cans. I've used some in temporary outlets, just not sure if I want to use them throughout. Does make life a little easier.
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Personally I dont trust them, a push in connector would be open to mechanical failure, I like the twist approach as that failure would have to pretty damn bad to break the connection.

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This is how I did mine.

I had 2 x feed (in & out) and 4 x loads. I twisted all 6 grounds with another 4 pigtails (so 10 in the bunch and the crimped a copper collar.



If any NoVAs need some large crimps I have some (doubt I'll have much use)

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Yep, thats how I did mine as well, but I crimped between each line.

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Now I'm, liking Brit's better. I just couldn't see how I could get it to work. Hope I have enough slack on the lines to do it. If not, I'll do it mastiff's way.

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Can you not just use a ground bus bar in the box?

Tom, I'm feeling the motivation all the way up here, but it could just be we're finally free of all the snow.
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Tedd -

Doubt it. but an interesting thought. Those are generally used inside service boxes, this is just a plastic 4-gang plastic box as in Brit's picture above.

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Hmms, brit's solution is my solution except I also added a crimp between each switch. In fact I believe borrowed( stole ) the idea from brit long ago...

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Hi Tom,
Great build on your theater!
It looks like Mike (accts4mjs) and I need to "get LOGANED".

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We both need a swift kick in the pants from you all on this thread.

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AH HAH!! Yeah, I LOVE this thread (thanks Calbear for the referral). And I hate you Mr. Logan because you're going to scare the crap out of me soo much with all of your tauntings and silly name callings that I might actually get my lazy butt off of my nice leather sectional and instead of watching American Idol in Hi-Def I'll finish off my rack instead. Or install my theater sign, or finish the sound proofing on my electrical boxes, or...

Yeah, go on, LOGANATE me -- I dare ya!!

I started sometime back in July, 2006. I got to about 90% done last summer. I've pretty much been there since then. Oh sure, I knocked out a few things here and there -- but there was no PRESSURE!! I LIKE PRESSURE! Bring it on


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