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Since most of us here are so anal and use 12 ga wiring for our builds, we get lucky in a "blind squirrel theory" kind of way with our own safety. That being, we can't use a standard duplex outlet's back stabs as they won't accept 12 ga, so we default to using the screws.
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"blind squirrel theory"

Now thats funny.
I've heard of the Infinite Monkey Theory, but never the BST..
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Since most of us here are so anal and use 12 ga wiring for our builds, we get lucky in a "blind squirrel theory" kind of way with our own safety. That being, we can't use a standard duplex outlet's back stabs as they won't accept 12 ga, so we default to using the screws.

This is certainly true.. When it comes to switches and outlets I will strip the wire and use the screw to make connections anyhow. It's what I learned and became accustomed to do.

I know some of the discussion pertained to the push connectors which can be used vs. twist caps. While I haven't used them a ton, I did go with them in the basement since like I said previously they came pre-installed in the cans. I've had no issues thus far in any application I've used them in and hope it remains that way. It will be a royal P.I.A. finding where the issue is if that is the case, but I suppose the same came could be said about any type of connector.
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"blind squirrel theory"

Now thats funny.
I've heard of the Infinite Monkey Theory, but never the BST..

The actual theory goes "Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while"
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Regarding the push in versus screw-down connections... I've found that when running a heavy load such as powertools and the like, I am far more likely to trip a breaker when the outlet is done as a push-in as opposed to the screw-down. The surface area of what connects between the blades and the in-wall wiring is the equivalent of what, 22 gauge? 24? It's almost nothing. Makes you wonder why they're allowed in the first place.
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If the outlets and switches allow the push-in connections AND said outlets and switches are UL approved devices AND they are proven to be unsafe then why is new construction still allowed to use these (by code) and why then are inspectors approving said connections?

Not to mention insurance companies not questioning the method of back-stab (kinda of like they do with older homes with aluminum wiring).

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Dunno, I'm just doing my job by delivering the anecdotal evidence from an anonymous and blatantly unqualified source that makes internet such a very special place.

But I am serious about the breakers popping with the back-stab and not when using the screw down. I got some newer plugs over the tamper resistant kind that also have the wires poke in the back, but then you tighten a screw which pushes a plate against the side. It's doesn't look like a it's quite as much contact as screwing it down for real, but it does look like a lot more contact than that tiny little blade that cuts a thing little mark into the wire.
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Well.....until the building codes specifically disallow the practice and UL keeps certifying these products I'll continue to back stab mine as it's about 1000 times easier on my hands (arthritis).

Now..back to our regularly scheduled theater buil......err....procrastination!

By the time Tom is done we'll have electricity delivered to our devices via EHF milliwatt transmitters! No wires needed.

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I had a loss of power on a circuit and after a couple of hours of diagnostic work concluded it might be the outlet in the garage that was up-steam on the circuit. As I walked toward the box I knew I had reached the problem because of the strong smell. When I pulled the outlet the back was like a charcoal briquette.
Don't trust the stab in connectors.
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Mmmmmm.... charcoal... Now I'm craving some BBQ'd ribs.
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Hidden deep in this thread, there is rumored to be a HT build....

Current HT: HTPC-->Epson 5010 projector-->135" screen, BFM TLAHs x7 & THT
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Hidden deep in this thread, there is rumored to be a HT build....

Are you kidding? This is a club house where we all get together and tell lies. Maybe we need some sort of ritual or chant in order to join....
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I already know the secret handshake......and I'm not tellin!

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I already know the secret handshake......and I'm not tellin!

If you shake it more than once or twice your playing with it.
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I already know the secret handshake......and I'm not tellin!

If you shake it more than once or twice your playing with it.

.. and if you shake someone else's, you're getting kicked out of the club house
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HEY!

First off, this is MY clubhouse and I'll decide what the secret handshake is. Those of you who need to know it, already know it. If you DON'T know the secret handshake, then you know where you stand. Now ask yourself...do I know the secret handshake? Huh? Do you, punk?

And who are all these new looky-loos? Seems like EVERYBODY wants to peep into the clubhouse but nobody is willing to step up and take the challenge. This is your golden opportunity...I have just realized I am FIVE YEARS INTO THIS BUILD. Where are the rest of you girly-men?

(taking a page out of rtroses's build)....

A little progress but no pics. Not because I didn't want to take any pics. My Helper Who Shall Remain Nameless (heretofore known as MHWSRN, but who is really REALLY big on these forums) refused to be associated with this "mess." And I paid for lunch and everything. Although, MHWSRN DID actually load my 100' roll of linacoustic into the back of my SUV. And it cost me less than I paid the day laborers I hired to haul 200 dricore panels and 1500 pds of sand into the basement in a snowstorm. And yeah, we straightened out the bathroom door. Turned into an all day project and three packs of shims, but it looks great. So thanks MHWRSN!

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Biggie never turns a meal down, huh?
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Where are the rest of you girly-men?

Ummmmm.....I'm done with my theater. It only took my 1235 days!

What else ya got?

Follow my build here: Harvest Ridge Theater
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Cj,

Shorten it by one day, that way Tom won't have such a hard time remembering HOW FAR BEHIND HE IS!
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Ummmmm.....I'm done with my theater. It only took my 1235 days!

What else ya got?

I didn't mean YOU guys, I meant those lily-livered cowards peeking in the windows.

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Biggie never turns a meal down, huh?

Why, suh, whereEVER did ya'll get that idea? I never said MHWSRN was Biggie.

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I didn't mean YOU guys, I meant those lily-livered cowards peeking in the windows.

If you don't watch out, they might build a theater before you do also!

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I didn't mean YOU guys, I meant those lily-livered cowards peeking in the windows.

I have no idea what you're talking about.



Peeping ... who?!

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Why, suh, whereEVER did ya'll get that idea? I never said MHWSRN was Biggie.

If you follow Biggie's contributions to this forum, you would know that he knows where the back alleys are to buy Linacoustic in Virginnie..... My money is on the Bigster. But then again, you convinced someone to PUT the stuff in your SUV.....the Logan way, get them to do the work for you. I would hope Big has learned already. But, there was food involved....
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OK I really don't care if my name is associated with the final product but beneath the beauty of split jamb door artfully installed on a wall structure that appeared to be about an inch too thick is a whole lot of ugly. Tom wanted to take a picture of the ugly.

If this was the final product:



This is what we had to put up with:

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The internet can be such an ugly place at times....
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OK, the secret is out.

Heynow^ wins the uh, uh, booby prize as pictured above.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm convinced there is some super secret photo archive that only Big knows about.

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And I thought hanesian had the lock on photo sites....
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BIG apparently has a virtual monopoly on the fat sites. She must be the girlfriend of his oft-dozing friend that he shares with us as and when the need arises:


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