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I am trying to finish up the lighted shelves (LED) first
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7/17/2008

Tonight I finished mounting all of the in-wall DVD storage shelves...

The studs were crooked and I have no planer, so I spent over an hour using a belt sander to shave off about .25" from a twisted stud in order to get the mounting square.



...

On a side note:

I was walking past the mental hospital the other day, and all the
patients were shouting,'13....13.. ..13'

The fence was too high to see over, but I saw a little gap in the planks
and looked through to see what was going on.

Someone poked me in the eye with a stick.

Then they all started shouting '14....14....14'...
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7/17/2008
...

On a side note:

I was walking past the mental hospital the other day, and all the
patients were shouting,'13....13.. ..13'

The fence was too high to see over, but I saw a little gap in the planks
and looked through to see what was going on.

Someone poked me in the eye with a stick.

Then they all started shouting '14....14....14'...

Man, that brought some laughter into my morning and a smile on my face.
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7/18/2008

Tonight we mounted a motor for DVD storage.
We drilled 3 holes for electronics and then used a smaller bit to dill back for the wires.




Filled all screw holes placed during shelf mounting with wood putty. This will lead to a 2 hour sanding session tomorrow... *sigh*.

Also have spent the last 3 days trying to get carpet quotes... what a POS job that is. Thank goodness the wife is a shopoholic..I will let her "enjoy" that experience.

On a side note, I think I have to lay off the "Fat Pants" trick as I think it is giving my wife a complex. This is the second time this week she has been to the gym and tonight's dinner was extra healthy (meaning tasted like butt). But in my defense, she started it by trying to shop for 1k$ desks for a room no one will ever see... this would severely impact my plan to buy at least ONE Berkline.. with all of the frills of course.
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jay-

any updates?
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15 -15 -15
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now that's funny...
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Staffy,
Just stumbled across your thread today, and am looking forward to reading it thoroughly when I have some more time in a different work day. I am planning on starting my project at the end of '08, and it looks like you addressed some issues I have also. Where in Michigan do you live? You had some names of comapnies you used, and I thought I might look into them if we were somewhat close. I live near Brighton, and work near ann Arbor. Either way, I can't wait to be paid to read your thread tomorrow. Good Luck!
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I apologize for the lack of update - hectic week filled with attempted paint selection, running carpet samples all over town, searching for speakers, 3 different LED shipments for testing, birthdays, work, and cancelled daycare leaving me as Mr Mom at the last minute.

Sitting at the airport now heading for a week of company training/business, so I will use this week of hotel time to catch up on past updates as I have pics of everything

dgotwals: I live in Waterford about a mile south of M59, so you are like 40 mins away in traffic.
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Great build thread! Nice to have some humor with some good info on your methods and choices.
Theater is looking good!
Keep going with the updates and pix.

Like yourself and dgotwals1 I'm also a Michigander.
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awesome thread
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LOL... sounds like you had a typical day, that a woman would have...getting an opportunity to watch a kid! Soon you can hide from those responsibilities again in the cave LOL


edit to say, I haven't followed this much but what I see from your posts, it looks awesome. I'll keep checking on progress.
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7/20/2008

ProjectX Update:

I routered .25" slots in the sides/back:


The last of the boxes were mounted in the wall leaving 1" of clearance for drywall and for the frame movement:


Switches were mounted, soldered, and bolted to the server rack:

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I wanted to organize the wires running through a few areas that will be hard to get through later, so I bought some roamex wire clips that were on clearance at Home Depot:


I then modified them by cutting the lip off of them so I could mount them however I wanted with 2 drywall screws. Some I even had to cut in half due to clearances so I screwed them on the top and put industrial dbl sided tape on the back to prevent vibrations:
(Dremel came in handy for quick smoothing of edges)

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Very nice build! One suggestion (to keep from driving you crazy)...the in-ceiling light cans, there is an electrical box on the side where the wired junction in. There are removable ends on that box. Tap on the ends...they all rattle. Damp them out or you get buzzing ceilings. I use Roxul for the insulation in a lot of my projects and we just take a piece and stuff it around the box (it is totally fireproof).
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Thanks for the tip - can you get Roxul from your local hardware store? (Lowes/HD)
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Thanks for the tip - can you get Roxul from your local hardware store? (Lowes/HD)

Not sure about where you live, but Roxul Safe'N'Sound is readily available at Home Depots here in Canada. I used them for my HT ceiling and inside-wall.


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You'll see a lot of posts and threads on this but acoustically you won't fare any better than if you use the cheapest fiberglass you can find. Personally I enjoy installing mineral wool better, but its generally more expensive

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Thanks for the tip - can you get Roxul from your local hardware store? (Lowes/HD)


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Personally I enjoy installing mineral wool better, but its generally more expensive

I hate working with mineral wool in an overhead environment. That stuff just showers you with crap, whereas standard r-13/r-19 doesn't.
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I hate working with mineral wool in an overhead environment. That stuff just showers you with crap, whereas standard r-13/r-19 doesn't.

I can see that. I've never installed MW in a ceiling
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Try it. It helps damp things out. The ceiling is often the source of a lot of buzzing/rattling (all your conduits...they can buzz) and Roxul helps with that due to its density. I find rooms done on all sides with it are quieter. Yes, it is more of a pain to put up but you only do it once. It also makes for a great fire break. Other than the install pain and a bit higher cost (not that much worse in my area), there isn't any downside.

As for availability...don't know if your local Lowes/HD will have it. I had to go to a smaller hardware place. You can also try the insulation supply houses in the area along with insulation contractors.
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Crap - forums crashed, now I will have to redo the last weeks accomplishments!
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Wire mounts installed that go from the screen wall conduits along the utility room then into server rack.

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Devil wife effed up my camera settings and just realized all of my dates for the last month are off... she needs to keep her hooves off my toys!!

Anyway, fixed so my OCD demons are calmed...

Today I worked on the bottom of the rack opening and rather than spend hours with a chisel and a Dremel, I chose to cut out the bottom section and just put a treated 2x2 and secure it with the Hilti gun.

Before:


After:

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Today my neighbor Mark came over to hang out and work with me and we got a ton done. We always have a blast when working, so the time flys and my wife likes to show off when he is around and actually cooks a meal and pretends to clean the house.

Today we got some supplies and Mark got started siliconing up the light cans (Since he is 6'+). He did an awesome job and no vibrations are heard at all!


While he was doing the "tall work", I was working on putting 2x4s up to make a casing or shroud around where the server rack was going to come through. In the picture below it came out perfect after a while using the belt sander to get everything squared up.

(**The receiver shown is just an old junk one to test out speakers and listen to some tunes while working.)

I did the same thing on the right hand side, it looks a little ugly, but it is only there in order to nail trim up afterwards. The bonus for this side is than NO BELT SANDER was needed!


Next we ran a bunch of wires and a short chunk of conduit for the hidden media storage units.

Then we finished up one motor that is mounted in the wall and got everything tightened and insulated to prevent vibrations.

After a long day we finished off by grabbing dessert after dinner!
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Quick recap of other pics that went missing after the forum restore:

Top of the server rack shroud in progress... quite a bit of chiselling and the use of a Dremel.



Finished top view:

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Crap - forums crashed, now I will have to redo the last weeks accomplishments!


Ha I guess there is an advantage to not accomplishing anything... the only things I lost was your post in my thread and my response to it.


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8/11/2008 ------ HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crap, crap, crappity crap...

After tonights efforts, I went to take pics and realized I totally effed myself...

So get this, I have 2 moving picture frames that hide DVD storage, I originally planned my speaker to be closer to the frame on the left. I wanted to change it so the area did not look so busy.. Below you can see the before and after box location:


I had made a template of the JBL surround speaker that I was planning on using, it wall mounted nicely and my hope was to have the gang box behind the speaker so it would all be hidden.

**Pizza boxes ROCK for templates

So after calculating where the picture frames will end up on the wall, I put a board up to visualize it:


I thought up a few options that I mocked up in MS Paint. Option 1 is to buy a smaller speaker roughly 6" wide, or get a speaker with a small telescoping mount that kicks it out 2".


Option 2: I could try to custom build a metal mount that attaches to the left on the stud, then extend out and to the right.


Option 3: Since it is only 7' ceiling height in the room, I could mount from the ceiling instead of the 68" level I have them at now..

Option 4: Ceiling mount surrounds (less than stellar performance from what I am told).

Option 5: Inwall for side surrounds - celing mounted or recessed for rears.

Option 6: Kick myself in the nuts every day until I figure something out...!

Option 7: I do have a set of 4 small BOSE cubes (10 years old) with wall mounts.... (I know someone will tell me to get kicked for mentioning Bose )

**Fronts/Center are JBL Control 28s.

So in summary:
PLEASE HELP A STUCK NOOB!! Anyone have any recommendations for solutions or alternative speakers?
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Stupid followup question... I have seen some folks put in speakers aimed at the primary seating position, while others seem to fire off at a 90 degree angle from the wall... which is the best way?
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Stupid followup question... I have seen some folks put in speakers aimed at the primary seating position, while others seem to fire off at a 90 degree angle from the wall... which is the best way?

Kinda tough to answer. It all depends on your room, the specific speakers, and how far apart you plan to place the speakers. Some speakers like to be toed-in more than others, yet at the same time, if you have the speakers really far apart, firing them straight out in the room may not work that well. If possible, the best way to know for sure is to try with the speakers at the distance apart you expect to be going with, and seated at the same distance(s) you plan for the theater, and then do a little test of the sound quality with the at different toe-in positions.

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