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Very cool thing to do Chia.

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Well, this last weekend, I worked on the bar area wall that has 2 windows. Saturday I finished it, and while admiring my work, I realised, my right window sill was 1 1/2 inches too high. It was higher than the window opening. I gave up for the day at that point.

Sunday afternoon, I tore the sill out and re-built it. Better now than try to do something later. I started on the baseplates of the final exterior wall, and snapped my masonry bit in the hammer drill. Guess that was a sign to call it a weekend.

So this week then, I got a new bit and finished the baseplate, then last night I spent some time laying out where the cabinets would end and where to put the bathroom door, and how far over the bathroom interior wall should go.

I don't have any wood now to frame the walls, but that will come. Finish the last exterior wall, and the bathroom interior walls, and my walls are pretty much done.

I still have to frame columns, bar, soffits, and the lowering of the theater ceiling. But at least the walls are almost done.

No pics, cause it would just look like a few more sticks than the last pics.

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Looking Good Chia!!

I am so glad we had the builder finish our basement when we built because:
a) I am not anything close to a handy man
b) it would have taken me longer than it is taking you
c) everything was done correctly
d) I saved $$ on healthcare costs from self inflicted injuries!!


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Yeah it is slow, but that is because I only spend about 1 to 2 hours down there each time I am working. I am not the machine that most are in these forums. Besides, going slower costs less. I don't burn through the money as fast by going slow.

As for progress, another milestone is now reached. The walls are all framed. I still need to do the bar (I'll have to break out my geometry books for that one), and a few columns, the lowered ceiling and a shower wall. But at least the main walls are done. And the thumb nail is almost all grown back.

Don't know how much will get done over the holidays as we have family plans and SWMBO has plans for a bench to be build by the garage door for the kids shoes and junk, and she has been asking for this for a month or more, so I probably need to do some work on that to keep the finance committe happy enough to keep contributing to the cave fund.

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Well, to the two of you watching... Merry Christmas!!! I hope your year has been good to you, and if not, may the next one be better.

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as for a basement update, I added a reword can light to the top of the stairs last weekend. The builder would only put a light at the foot of the stairs, so the top was always dark, and would even get darker when I move the hanging light at the bottom into a can light. It was pretty simple, except when trying to figure out how to connect it to the 3 way switch. I ended up turning on the power and touching screws with the bare wires to figure out which screw to attach to. At least the blue sparks were cool

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Same to you Chia. I'll catch up with you this weekend for some COD.

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as for a basement update, I added a reword can light to the top of the stairs last weekend. The builder would only put a light at the foot of the stairs, so the top was always dark, and would even get darker when I move the hanging light at the bottom into a can light. It was pretty simple, except when trying to figure out how to connect it to the 3 way switch. I ended up turning on the power and touching screws with the bare wires to figure out which screw to attach to. At least the blue sparks were cool

Did you make sure it works on both ends now? 3 ways are tricky for "non-electricians". I happen to have 4 years exp. as an electrician so call me if you need help.

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Your build is coming along nicely. Going slow on the build is a good way to go. Once you start getting close to the end though, you will start to notice the urgency or excitement of getting it done. Keep up the good work, I will be looking forward to your next set of updates!

That is a great thing you and your family did for your friends! I have a renter and her husband is working in Afghanistan for a year and she is pregnant, and she doesn't know who came to house to decorate it, but it really made her happy to come home one day to it. I believe that it was some of her friends that came over and did that for her.

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Did you make sure it works on both ends now? 3 ways are tricky for "non-electricians". I happen to have 4 years exp. as an electrician so call me if you need help.

Thanks, it took about 4 different ways to wire it before I figured it out. I would have one go on and not the other, or both on but really dim. Finally when I kept the wires live and could touch the new black to each screw and see the results, then flip the switch and try again, then flip the other switch and try then flip the original again, I figured out which screw was the one I wanted.

Plus it didn't help that my first way to wire it I went black to new white, and new black to screws. I finally tried to group the new white with all the others, that got rid of the dimming.

See a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. I'm surprised I didn't fry the switch and have to replace it.

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Well between family and the fat man visiting, I got a little done in the basement.

I had to do 2 soffets in the bathroom. Got them in and realized the second was off on one end by 3 1/2 inches (along a 6 fot span) So it was real far from 90 degrees, and I had to rip that one out and redo it.

I then put the soffet in the AV closet, and made sure it stayed decoupled from the theater wall.

Last I hung a 4x8 peice of OSB in the utility room where the electrical sub panel will hang.

I am putting off the bar because I need to get out my geometry books and try to figure out the angles for the wall, bar, soffet, etc. I was a math minor in college, and I now have problems adding simple numbers together, let alone try and do high school goemetry.

This weekend I will try to get some more soffets build and maybe start calculating the bar area.

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Thanks, it took about 4 different ways to wire it before I figured it out. I would have one go on and not the other, or both on but really dim. Finally when I kept the wires live and could touch the new black to each screw and see the results, then flip the switch and try again, then flip the other switch and try then flip the original again, I figured out which screw was the one I wanted.

Plus it didn't help that my first way to wire it I went black to new white, and new black to screws. I finally tried to group the new white with all the others, that got rid of the dimming.

See a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. I'm surprised I didn't fry the switch and have to replace it.

Or burn the place down! You almost never go black to white. That is usually only seen in reverse polarity switching or under certain circumstances in 3 ways when you feed power and the have the lighting drop in the same box and only a 3 wire going to the second location.
Glad to see you got it worked out though.

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This long weekend I got a bit done.

The long soffet in the main room is done, and I layed out the bar. I don't have enough supplies to get the bar set up, but I will be buying some more wood and tapcons tonight. Hopefully I can get the bar wall built, then I will take some pics (since it has been awhile).

Still have the soffet above the bar, and 2 more columns in the bar area, then arches, and the lowered ceiling in the theater, then on to HVAC and electrical.

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Cool man, keep on churning!

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Nice work so far. I try to keep up, but don't always have time to post ot al lthe threads I watch. There is no shame in going slow. As slow as my build is, I've kind of noticed the same thing....I'm paying out of pocket as I go along, as it is one small thing at a time. So far, my largest outlays have been for the PAC RSICs and the dricore. I did get all of the fixtures for the bathroom on an HD credit card (with 10% coupon), but it was free financing for a year, so it was basically the same thing as pay-as-you-go.

I wish I had caught your problem with the three-way switch. I didn't have any problem wiring in my NEW 3-way circuit as I could keep track of where everything goes. BUT...I had the same probelm re-wring my stairway. The light was wired "funny" and I couldn't get it to work and I tried the same method you did. Still no dice. So I went to another home improvement site and got some great diagrams. STILL no dice. Turned out I actually fried one of the switches. New switch and all is good. It didn't help that the original painters painted over the wires at the top of the stairs and it was quite difficult to tell black from white.

Anyway, for future reference, I printed out the diagram and stuck it inside my wiring book in the 3-way page.

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Thanks all...
And now, without furthur delay, a few actual pictures of progress!!!


This is the start of my New Years long weekend. this is my longest soffet with a small wall to hide a column. This shot was taken at the foot of the stairs looking towards the theater entrance. I have widened the stair wall to allow for a nice thick area for rail stiles. Beyond the column will be a built in shelf for some hockey memorabilia. Then the wall will continue to the theater.


This shot is from the theater door looking into the bar area. Wow, with the bar layout I can start to picture it a lot better. This will be the top part of the bar, and on the other side will be cabinets and a lower counter over those. I still need to make my last soffet above the bar, and it will follow the angle of the bar and as a result will be the most complex of the soffets. Good thing it will be my last one (until the theater has been drywalled at least). You can see the base of the column where I started framing it, but I really can't go further until the soffet is complete so I know where to tie into it. The column will be a support for the upper counter, and appear to go right up through the edge of the counter (at least that is the current plan).


Here is a shot from the inside of the bar area looking towards the theater.

I couldn't get much work done last night because I have now gone through a full 4,000 16d nails with the nail gun (sure glad I didn't have to pound all of those by hand). So I picked up some more at lunch, and can hopefully get a start on that last soffet. Once the soffet is done and the columns, I can turn some more attention to the theater and start lowering the ceiling.

I am buying some of the IsoMax clips I will need from Black Banshee to take his extra off his hands. I will be using these to isolate the ceilings from the joists above.

After this I get to move onto HVAC, Plumning and Electrical. Better start reading up.

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Thanks for the offer Java.

This weekend I finished the soffets above the bar, and the columns around the bar.

Only framing left is a shower wall, some blocking where drywall edges, and the all important Theater ceiling.

I will start the ceiling next, but I don't know when that next will be. Work is picking up and I have a packed week of planning and preparing for leading music at church this weekend (current leader is taking the week off). Next week I am taking a full week of SQL training, so it could be a while before some time is freed to get going on the ceiling, but just l;ike the turtle and hare, slow and steady baby!!!

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Well, with anxiety over the economy, I had not done anything in the basement for about 6 weeks, but the urge is building again (Must fight Logan). I used the last of my studs to start framing out the lowered theater ceiling. I build the first 1/3 of the frames yesterday. Just have to get them attached to the ceiling now. I will be lowering the whole ceiling by 11 1/8". The beam is the lowest hanging item, but there are AC pipes to the outside compressors, and the main trunk and return to the HVAC system to cover.
I think I will be about 7' 10" from floor to lowered ceiling (before clips, hat track and DD/GG).

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Well get to work then! Glad to see your back on track.

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Finally some progress and some pics.

I finished the project of lowering the ceiling. Working above your head with a nail gun is painful. The arms get real tired.

This is a shot from the entrance looking towards the screen:


Here is a shot from the fron floor looking towards the back:


And now, I can work on something new and different. I started my arches. This is the longest arch at the foot of the stairs:


I have 2 arches left, and a few spots to make sure the edges of the drywall will have something to attach to, then I can start something other than cutting and nailing 2x4's.

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Sweet. I like the arch. I had the builder put one in on my main floor but didn't do it between my game room and theater as I wasn't sure what I would be closing it off with. I was a little intimidated with arches until I saw the framer throw one together with essentially scrap wood. Much easier than I thought.

Can't wait to see it with drywall. Keep those pics coming.

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Sweet. I like the arch. I had the builder put one in on my main floor but didn't do it between my game room and theater as I wasn't sure what I would be closing it off with. I was a little intimidated with arches until I saw the framer throw one together with essentially scrap wood. Much easier than I thought.

Can't wait to see it with drywall. Keep those pics coming.

Thanks Drew. Nice to have you stop in while you are on your theater mediacl leave...

We have a bunch of arches on our main floor, so this is to help keep in the theme of the rest of the house. Plus it was a nice little brain rest to do something other than 90 degree angles and straight lines.

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Nice job Chia. If you need anything at Lowes let me know.

Thanks, but I realized the only things I have bought at Lowes was from the coupons you gave me, otherwise it has been HD and online for everything.

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Well, framing is now done. I finished the last of the arches this weekend.

Here is the arch over the kitchen entrance:


Here is the arch over the theater entrance:


This one was tough, because it can't attach to the ceiling or the column on the left because those are coupled to the rest of the house. I used the last of my RSIC clips for those connections. The back and right side are attached directly to the walls, because those walls are the decoupled ones.

And we now have injury number 2. When finishing the last arch, I stepped off the ladder and rolled my ankle. That was Saturday, and today, it is still sore. It stiffens up whenever it sits still for a while, and by the end of the day it is throbbing. No pretty colors on this injury, but there was swelling the first day. Going to church Sunday was funny. I was hobbling from my ankle, and my wife pulled her back that morning, so we were like a little old couple shuffling in.

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New pic and electrical plan, deleted old ones.

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Electrical. Here are my current plans:


And attached is the excell spreadsheet of my load calculations.

Reason for change from last pics. Too many pendants on the plan, combined 2 circuits, found 3 outlets on two separate circuits in the excell file.

Changed theater door per Jamis suggestion in 2 posts.

 

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Well, yesterday, I bought some recessed can lights in preperation for the snow storm comming this weekend, and when playing with them, I got half of them installed, so I need to go buy some more now so I have something to do during the storm.

Anyone know if there is a special kind of light for a shower stall, or is it just a plain can light? I would think with the water spray, you would need some kind of sealed light. Also, you don't want the vapor getting past you green board, so I would think there is something for it to seal around.

On a side note, I was getting bored with framing, so this change is kind of invigorating.

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One quick thing I noticed...

I would consider flipping the door into the theater so it opens the other way. Not into the theater, but to the left against wall adjacent to the utility room. As it is shown in the plan, it will stick out into the rec room and bar area when open which could be annoying (especially during parties or movie night).
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