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Moggie, Are the IB subs worth it? Have you had regular subs before to compare?

Of course! I've had regular 15" sealed subs before but it is really hard to compare because I've never had a room like my HT before and that is probably the biggest difference. The IB subs certainly extend to very low frequencies and have massive amounts of energy. The difference I've noticed is that the deep bass creates a sense of dread when watching certain movies. The infrasonic frequencies somehow work at a subliminal level to add atmosphere and makes movie watching much more enveloping not to mention damn right scary at times. The effortless power of the IB's could certainly be created with lots of traditional subs but the fact that the IB is invisible (except when backlit) adds to the coolness factor. So are they worth it? I'd say that if the space allows for them, then yes. In fact I think I talked a friend into building some last night!

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Monkey, if I'm understanding right, I use the multiple presets on the 1124 for that purpose. Works good for me. I must be missing something?

Tony, not sure what Stockmonkey means but I think he is asking about the DCX2496 because of the ability to flexibility control two sets of subs and separate tactile transducers.

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umm, wow.
just spent the last two night reading through this thread then clicking other builds and subscribing to them too for later reading.
i know I'm just another (of many) congratulating you but well,,credit where credit is due.
you have created a remarkable achievement.
the plethora of ideas from your/others build is immense.
Its a dream of mine to build a home theater, but as an ex pat I'm sure you remember how small victorian terraced houses are in the uk plus the wife has no interest in A/V whatsoever. but maybe just maybe one day i will have the opportunity and with all of these amazing/superb/incredible custom installs and the people involved amongst this forum i know ill never be short of inspiration.
Top job sir.
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Hi Kevin, welcome to the forum and sorry if my ramblings kept you up at night! I've lived in at least two Victorian terraced houses in my past so understand how spoiled most Americans must seem with their large homes. Do you have a basement by any chance? One of the homes I used to live had one -- a bit damp but still had potential. There have been a couple of remarkable small builds documented in this forum which go to show that you don't have to have a large space to build a quality HT. Ask your wife to picture a romantic HT for two where you can sit with glass of wine in hand ... perhaps she could learn to love it. Good luck.

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Okay. He was also commenting that he wished for different EQ for movies vs. music, and the 1124 can accomodate that.

I'd like a 2496 for the HP filter. Although I've never bottomed out.

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Some guys post pics of their exotic cars or smoking hot wives in there threads. This may be the first time I got wood looking at pictures of a workshop. I'm curious what you've built with the milling machine.

I'm going to be sleeping a lot better now that something solid is holding up your house. Looking forward to seeing this build progress now that you've caught up to where most of us start!

Where are the examples of these pics ?

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Great Screen Shot/ Room Pics Moggie. I'm still fiddling with the Nikon (the instruction manual makes me feel inadequate)

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The IB subs certainly extend to very low frequencies and have massive amounts of energy. The difference I've noticed is that the deep bass creates a sense of dread when watching certain movies. The infrasonic frequencies somehow work at a subliminal level to add atmosphere and makes movie watching much more enveloping not to mention damn right scary at times. The effortless power of the IB's could certainly be created with lots of traditional subs but the fact that the IB is invisible (except when backlit) adds to the coolness factor.


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The IB subs certainly extend to very low frequencies and have massive amounts of energy. The difference I've noticed is that the deep bass creates a sense of dread when watching certain movies. The infrasonic frequencies somehow work at a subliminal level to add atmosphere and makes movie watching much more enveloping not to mention damn right scary at times. The effortless power of the IB's could certainly be created with lots of traditional subs but the fact that the IB is invisible (except when backlit) adds to the coolness factor. So are they worth it? I'd say that if the space allows for them, then yes. In fact I think I talked a friend into building some last night!

Well said, and is one of my favorite effects as well. I have 4 18's in an IB as well. Nothing physically big happening on screen yet your gut doesn't feel right and your arm hair, or loose clothing, is flopping around. Always a treat to see your guests rubbing their arm or looking around with a wierd look on their face.

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Well said, and is one of my favorite effects as well. I have 4 18's in an IB as well. Nothing physically big happening on screen yet your gut doesn't feel right and your arm hair, or loose clothing, is flopping around. Always a treat to see your guests rubbing their arm or looking around with a wierd look on their face.

Yup. My wife does not like it. It stirs her up too much. I've got 8 IB15's with 2500 watts.
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Is it recommended to add standard subs to an IB setup or can you get everything you need from the IB? I am currently building my room with the idea of using (4) IB3-18's.
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Is it recommended to add standard subs to an IB setup or can you get everything you need from the IB? I am currently building my room with the idea of using (4) IB3-18's.

It depends on how low your mains go. IB subs can go up to 80Hz but are generally best at 50Hz and below.... but that's just a general statement.
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Well said, and is one of my favorite effects as well. I have 4 18's in an IB as well. Nothing physically big happening on screen yet your gut doesn't feel right and your arm hair, or loose clothing, is flopping around. Always a treat to see your guests rubbing their arm or looking around with a wierd look on their face.

Cant wait to get my theater running. Looking forward to this effect. Now all I need is some examples of this in movies so I can try it out
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Cant wait to get my theater running. Looking forward to this effect. Now all I need is some examples of this in movies so I can try it out

Your room is coming along very nicely , by the way.

I could give you 20 scenes with good ulf but the "mood" effects, as I call them, are so subtle in movies and not always associated with demo audio disks. I thought Insidious has some action with this? I wish I could remember the title but there was some 2nd rate DVD horror movie and something was about to happen. Almost dead silence in the audio as the girl creeps along and then the seats start resonating and hair is curling. Still no sound in the room. Very cool affect. Not that I am in to that or anything...

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Where are the examples of these pics ?
The most amazing thing to me is the new CNC machines, Just amazing
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I checked out the CNC link. Wow, that is one heck of a machine. Mine works about 100 times more slowly with lots of manual set up stops! I don't think I posted any pics of parts I've made -- they are mostly functional parts for various repairs. I did build some of my masking system parts with the machine. Once I converted a photo of my daughter into 3D topographical image then to g-code and put a tiny 1/8" ball end mill bit in the mill. Three hours later I had a cool 3D impressionistic model of her face. Can't seen to find it anymore...

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If you haven't had the opportunity yet, the movie "Priest" has a train wreck scene it that'll send the women and children running..

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Well said, and is one of my favorite effects as well. I have 4 18's in an IB as well. Nothing physically big happening on screen yet your gut doesn't feel right and your arm hair, or loose clothing, is flopping around. Always a treat to see your guests rubbing their arm or looking around with a wierd look on their face.

Infrasonics is the the extra dimension -- way better than 3D in my opinion.

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I've got a question about the LED lights you used in your columns. Will they bend in all four directions, or will they only bend along the two wider sides? For example, if your columns had been an arch, would you have been able to bend the lights to follow that curve?

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I've got a question about the LED lights you used in your columns. Will they bend in all four directions, or will they only bend along the two wider sides? For example, if your columns had been an arch, would you have been able to bend the lights to follow that curve?

J_P_A, I doubt you are going to get the strips to bend around their thin side -- the substrate is thin but stiff plastic. You might be able to force a large enough radius but it is likely to crinkle up on the inside edge. If I wanted to follow an arch I would probably have dispensed with the angled slots and made them 90 degrees to the surface so bending wouldn't be a problem. The downside would be that I would see the edge of the LED though...

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.......If I wanted to follow an arch I would probably have dispensed with the angled slots and made them 90 degrees to the surface so bending wouldn't be a problem. The downside would be that I would see the edge of the LED though...

Thanks for the info! You are definitely a craftsman for the modern age.

However, I don't think I'm following you on this . Even at 90 degrees, wouldn't the LED still need to bend along the narrow edge?

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However, I don't think I'm following you on this . Even at 90 degrees, wouldn't the LED still need to bend along the narrow edge?

Maybe I'm not following. Which surface of the arch would you want to mount the LED strip on? underside or outside. Are you thinking of embedding it in a slot like I did or surface mounting. In any case I think you should count on the strip only bending in one plane.

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Holy crap, I remember reading this thread YEARS ago when you first just complete with digging. I remember we had a ~36" snow storm and my office was closed so I spent the day reading. Amazing job, everything looks great.

I was looking at your star ceiling build last night and I have 2 pretty simple questions.

What brackets did you use to attach them to the ceiling? If you have a link that would be awesome.

How large of a conduit are you using to run the fiber optic? Maybe its the angle, but it looks like a 4" pvc pipe just outside the FOSI illuminator
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Amazing theater. Your craftsmanship is something to truly behold.

That being said, somebody had to ask:


How much did she cost? You easily saved 50%+ by doing all the work yourself, but I'm sure your budget would make most of us blush.
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Holy crap, I remember reading this thread YEARS ago when you first just complete with digging. I remember we had a ~36" snow storm and my office was closed so I spent the day reading. Amazing job, everything looks great.

I was looking at your star ceiling build last night and I have 2 pretty simple questions.

What brackets did you use to attach them to the ceiling? If you have a link that would be awesome.

How large of a conduit are you using to run the fiber optic? Maybe its the angle, but it looks like a 4" pvc pipe just outside the FOSI illuminator

Sorry Larry, haven't been around for a while. The brackets for the ceiling were purchased from Fosi. They are interlocking extruded aluminum in an "S" section. Simon (alias RaZorTT) managed to find a source for the raw extrusion.

The conduit I ran through the wall was 3" pipe. I used it for a clean fit -- the wall it runs through is an internal wall (so the perforation in the skin didn't matter).

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Amazing theater. Your craftsmanship is something to truly behold.

That being said, somebody had to ask:

How much did she cost? You easily saved 50%+ by doing all the work yourself, but I'm sure your budget would make most of us blush.

Thanks! I don't want to blurt out a guesstimate for the total cost and honestly I didn't keep track. I can tell you that I saved a LOT more than the 50% you suggest. For example my DIY screen was built for $2100 and the MSRP of a couple of similar ones I looked at was close to $20K If you exclude the excavation to create the new room I think the price was very reasonable for a quality dedicated home theater. I just finished watching a movie and it puts a smile on my face every time I power up the room.

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Hi Moggie

What type of exhaust fan did you use in your hush box? I looked through the thread but couldn't find anything on it. I'm building a hush box in the rear soffit of my theater which will house a JVC RS55, but I'm not sure what kind of fan will be sufficient to cool the box.

Btw, your theater turned out great. I hope I can do half as nice of a job on mine.
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What type of exhaust fan did you use in your hush box? I looked through the thread but couldn't find anything on it. I'm building a hush box in the rear soffit of my theater which will house a JVC RS55, but I'm not sure what kind of fan will be sufficient to cool the box.

Btw, your theater turned out great. I hope I can do half as nice of a job on mine.

I believe Panasonic bathroom fans are popular since they are very quiet
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What type of exhaust fan did you use in your hush box?.

I use Active Thermal Managment systems.

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I looked at the Panasonic WhisperWall and it looks like it is rated for 70 CFM. That seems like it would do the job, but I don't have much knowledge about hush boxes and I don't want to undersize the exhaust fan. Will the Panasonic work well enough?

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Thanks for the link Irv. The System 1 looks a little more powerfull than the Panasonic. Is it working well for you? I didn't see a price in their website, how much did it cost?
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What type of exhaust fan did you use in your hush box? I looked through the thread but couldn't find anything on it. I'm building a hush box in the rear soffit of my theater which will house a JVC RS55, but I'm not sure what kind of fan will be sufficient to cool the box.

Btw, your theater turned out great. I hope I can do half as nice of a job on mine.

The exhaust fan is in post 402 (panasonic). I used the same fan for my PJ exhaust. My manifold for the fan was much simpler because mine is located outside the room and I did not need soundproofing for it. The fan is very quiet as is.
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The exhaust fan is in post 402 (panasonic). I used the same fan for my PJ exhaust. My manifold for the fan was much simpler because mine is located outside the room and I did not need soundproofing for it. The fan is very quiet as is.

Thanks stockmonkey that's exactly what I was looking for.
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Thanks for the link Irv. The System 1 looks a little more powerfull than the Panasonic. Is it working well for you? I didn't see a price in their website, how much did it cost?

The system works very well. It has a thermostat that turns the fan on when the temp reaches 90 degrees. The fan is located 20 feet from my theater.

I believe the system is less than $400.

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The system works very well. It has a thermostat that turns the fan on when the temp reaches 90 degrees. The fan is located 20 feet from my theater.

I believe the system is less than $400.

I just received an email back from Active Thermal. They quoted me a price of $549 for the system. That's a lot more than the Panasonic fan, but I really like the idea of having the fan outside of the theater, which is something you can't do with the Panasonic fan.
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