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post #181 of 887 Old 12-27-2009, 08:19 AM
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Are you going to incorporate some sort of stage into your design ? Doesn't look like you are with the way you have the IB door setup

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Brad,

Wow, may you never go back to work when you finish this build! Very impressive.
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Wow! I love what you've done. I'm filing this in the idea box...

Over the last several years I've spent an extensive amount of time in Asia for work, and have really come to appreciate the simplistic "Zen" type of atmosphere your shooting for in your build. I've followed your thread since day one, and truly understand the difficulty of developing a functioning design that satisfies a "Vision".

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Holey Crap... Just went back and read the whole thred. I haven't stopped by since you were making the speaker thingies...

Someone mentions an IB chamber and you start ripping out framming. Wood work starts and you turn into Jesus of Nazareth.

I am afraid to mention a transporter instead of the stairwell as you may well pull it off.

Amazing work man!!!

Drew, Thanks for the post, a little chuckle goes great with sunday morning coffee..

Regarding the transporter.. its on the list right behind the hollodeck

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Are you going to incorporate some sort of stage into your design ? Doesn't look like you are with the way you have the IB door setup

Scott.. I use the term "Plan" loosely... but the plan is for an eliptical stage. Same arc as the arch but horizontal. ( I saved the pieces the arch was cut from so I already have the elliptical tops for the stage )

Teh stage will stop at the screen wall. The screen wall will be 2' from the rear wall. So ill have 2' to remove the access panel on the IB chamber if needed.

I'll wall mount the 3 KL650's on the wall (like sandmans) with the center above the access door and the R&L's flanking and slightly higher than the manifold openings.

Again the "Plan" is to stuff the riser with insulation, leaving the backside at the screen wall open (or some strategically placed openings) to serve as an additional base trap.

Hope that makes sense.. Its all fly by wire for me though with the design at this point so everything is subject to change.

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I know what you mean I did the same thing, build as you go and with so many great Idea's coming from the AVS theater construction community its hard to plan anything

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Once again, pursuit of the theater is sending me off on a tangent to tackle a new skill.

Acheiving a furniture quality finish with mixed woods posed a challenge I flelt could only be overcome by spraying. Spraying opens up several finishing avenues beyond the typical Brush/Wipe stain and Poly, Hopefully taking my DIY projects to the next level.

The tools:
HVLP Sprayers


New Dryer/Filter hooked up


However winter time in Indiana poses its own challenges to spraying when your shop is attached to the house. I needed to eliminate overspray and try to minimize the toxic fumes.

So without futher ado...For those die hard fans of the Cult Classic, "Ghetto Booth", from the critically acllaimed (and truly visionary) producer JeffC..
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post17703142

We are happy to bring you: "Ghetto Booth II: The Boy in the Bubble"

The Frame: 6x12


The Fresh Air Injection / Filtration system sub assembly:


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Luminaries and Curtains attached:


Necessary design clearences for vehicle portal acheived:


TTL Cost (not including some materials I had lying around) ~ $100

There are a few odds and ends that need addressed to better seal the booth (chases stamped in the studs in middle section).

I am also building a filtered exhaust system, that will exhaust from the bottom of the booth, to remove overspray and hopefully keep the toxic fumes at a level that wont cause a divorce or let me blow myself up. The effectiveness of these efforts are yet to be tested, (although I have tested the Divorce limits thing many times over the years) and a respirator is still on the list of needed items.

The spray booth remained somewhat light weight at probably 100-120lbs ttl. I wanted to build something in such a way that I could have access to it over several months without loosing 1/2 the floorspace in my shop. The curtains can be rolled up or down in a matter of minutes.

Fingers crossed' Hope it works!

Happy New Year All...

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Luminaries and Curtains...this looks like a writeup for HGTV.

Looking forward to seeing how it works out for you. Good Job!
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That is no ghetto booth! I don't see any duct tape!

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That's something else. I found myself thinking of an old Paul Simon song "Boy in the bubble and the baby with the baboon heart." But that was probably just me.
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Very nice...I have been eyeing a set like that for a project I have been avoiding for a while (due to not using brushes or rollers).....Sweet...

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As Lord Sedious would say, "Your paint both looks FULLY OPERATIONAL!" Good job.

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Tom A.. Im about 80-90% confident on catching the overspray the Fumes may be a different story.

In2... Spoken like a true purist..

Dave... Paul Simon was one of the greates song writers of our time... IMHO

DavidinCT... Definately the finish has always been my weak point also.. hopefully I'll level the playing field with spraying.

kjlewie... Yea.. but didnt he also say "kill em, kill em all"?




All right.. dont laugh guys.. I scabbed this together yesterday from scraps and stuff lying around from the house build.. I had the inline from a previous endeavour.. only had to buy the filters and one of the boots to complete the ...

Triple filtered exhaust module:





It actually seems to draw really well.. I dont know if it will pull enough to keep the fumes down but I fell pretty good about being able to capture the over spray.. I'll place it on the ground to draw from the bottom of the booth and run the exhause outside through a 6" flex.

we shall see..

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Very nice! Love the idea above the garage door! I was thinking about V2 and making a collapsible one but I am using your idea of a permanently fixed overhead solution. The box fan filter does a surprisingly good job. Actually used this mooring to catch some slight over spray from a spray can

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Good god man, you are suppose to be building a theater not a spray booth

It reminds me of quite a few years ago when I decided to restore and respray an old car of mine and lined and (entire) garage with plastic, built vents, even made a water curtain to both pull over spray and dust out of the air. I just looked at an old picture and realized that I completely under built the exhaust system because all I could see in the picture was a vague outline of a person in the fog! The bottom line is that you need a rapid air exchange to keep the air completely clean.

Looking forward to the results...

BTW I good tip is to damp down the floor before you spray to avoid blowing dust up into your work.

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I'm been following your thread since it started and I appreciate the time it takes to post your progress on a regular basis. I noticed one thing with your ingenious paint booth that could be a serious concern. I recall from my shop days in high school the finish room was outfitted with special electrical outlets and light fixtures to avoid explosions when using oil based finishes in an enclosed space. I'm no expert but it looks like the two fluorescent lights in your booth are garden variety fixtures not designed for paint booth applications (e.g. exposed bulbs). The fan motor might also be a source of ignition. If you plan to use water based finishes or have addressed the risk of explosion excuse my post.
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Brad, don't take this the wrong way or nothing. You are like an evil Genious!!! I love it! Aside with the concerns that wjr has posted pure brilliance.
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KNKKNK,

I might have been able to save you some time depending on where you live in Indiana. I run a auto repair facility with 4 spray booths.

wjr is correct is his concerns. What is the probability in anything happening. That depends on the equipement used and how saturated the area will be with the fumes. I can tell you right now that none of your equipement is suited for this application and for me to recommend using it. Especially on how small the booth is. It looks like your filter motor is after the filters which helps some and if you were going to go through with it I would say to put some plexi over the lighting. If you did that I would feel much more comfortable running that booth although I would make sure to not have too much chemicals in the air at once.

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Oman.. too funny dude

Adam, Wjr... Thanks guys, excellant observations, you are 100% correct.. the booth would be dangerous to use spraying solvent based materials.. the 2most common solvents used to mix/spray wood finishes are denatured alcohol and lacquer thinner. Both have very low flash points (below room temp) and lower end flammable ranges around ~1%-3%.

I had joked in earlier posts about "blowing myself up" but am honestly trying to avoid this rather troublesome prospect.

The lighting would be easily overcome buy using fixutures designed for drop ceilings with the plexi cover seperating the ignition source from the interior of the booth. However the blower i currently have hooked up is of greater concern to me because the motor is inline with the exhasut flow. I'm trying to locate a cost effective replacement, because I do eventually want to use the solvent based mixes. They have several advantages over the water based such as faster drying times and they are non grain raising.

In the meanwhile I will stick with water based finishes and hope the booth protects the shop/house from overspray, which I have a fairly high confidence level.

Thats one of the beautiful things about AVS, there i a great cross section of professionals that frequent the forum and the advice can not only save someone time and money but possibly lives as well.

Again, i sincerely appreciate your feedback. If I had to pick one person I know that has the best chance of making the Darwins award list it will be me

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To make you feel any better I have seen alot worse. People will paint an entire car in their garage with all the fixtures going and a simple fan doing the exhaust. If your interested and live close to the Fort Wayne area I could let you use the pro booths if you find it easier for you. I sprayed our new fish tank stand in it and it was great. Not only does the fumes get taken out but with the bake cycles it cured it within 15 minutes. Of course that was waterborne paint but it gets it up to about 160 degrees.

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I'm glad to hear you're going to use water based finishes for now and make changes to your paint booth so it will be safe for solvent based finishes. Besides, I'm like a lot of folks here on the forum who live vicariously through talented people like you who are building amazing home theaters. We want to see the finished project and dream about someday building our own theaters. So, there is no need for natural selection to get in the way of home entertainment! Enjoy your project!
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DriCore down..



Ended up going with the more expensive DriCore over the platoon not only because of reduce height loss ... but Honestly I shudder at the thought of having to carry full size sheets of anything down to the basement now.

And the science experiment continues...

As mentioned Previously, I'm playing with the transtint dyes and mixing my own schellac in various cuts for wash coats and tinting coats on different woods.. I'm also doing glazing for the first time.

Trying to develop a finishing schedule that will look good on some of the more troublesome "blotch" prone woods.

Im leaning towards a finish with alot of red in it. Still a learning curve.. But I can see the potential in the dyes.. neat, neat stuff.

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Hey Brad, Nice clean floor *and* clean table top -- I bet they don't stay that way long

As you know I went the DriCore route too but had a few issues with a spongy feel in a couple of spots where I obviously didn't shim perfectly. How did yours turn out, did you use tapcons to hold it down anywhere?

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Actually Moggie.. I didnt need to use a single shim, my floor was amazingly flat in that area.. Im still debating if ill add any tapcons around the perimeter.. my only concern would be any expansion causing buckling.. so if i do I'll be sure to only due every 3-4 panel and make sure not to put one on each end of the same row.

This was my first time using the actual Dri Core. I had some experience on the floors using both the rigid foam and Delta FL in the past with sheeting,, but the dri core was so easy I felt like I was cheating or something

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Ain't nothing wrong with cheating as long as it turns out. Have to take advantage of those few times when it does.

I have been following your thread and have been itching to pull the trigger on paint sprayers. I have a large compressor so the investment wouldn't be that bad. Maybe come Spring.

It has to feel good to have that Dricore down. Keep it going.

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Actually Moggie.. I didnt need to use a single shim, my floor was amazingly flat in that area.. Im still debating if ill add any tapcons around the perimeter.. my only concern would be any expansion causing buckling.. so if i do I'll be sure to only due every 3-4 panel and make sure not to put one on each end of the same row.

This was my first time using the actual Dri Core. I had some experience on the floors using both the rigid foam and Delta FL in the past with sheeting,, but the dri core was so easy I felt like I was cheating or something

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Lookin good man. I used Dricore as well, very easy. The mfgr does recommend tapcons every 3-4 panels. I did that and have had no problems with buckling... I think they are intended just to make sure the panels don't try to shift and separate over time. You lucky dog on the flat floor... shimming is a pain, and you definitely find out how uneven your floor is (mine about 3/4 inch from one cornter of the room to the other , ~30ft).
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Im still debating if ill add any tapcons around the perimeter.. my only concern would be any expansion causing buckling.. so if i do I'll be sure to only due every 3-4 panel and make sure not to put one on each end of the same row.

Another reason to use a couple of tapcons around the perimeter (and 1 in the center) is if you plan on having carpet installed with a power stretcher or similar. The install process can shift and buckle the panels, so the tapcons help keep things where they belong.

Everything is looking great, keep up the good work!
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Another reason to use a couple of tapcons around the perimeter (and 1 in the center) is if you plan on having carpet installed with a power stretcher or similar. The install process can shift and buckle the panels, so the tapcons help keep things where they belong.

Everything is looking great, keep up the good work!

Excellent Point!!!! I had not even considered this.. I wonderd why the instructions wanted it installed as a floating floor with the 1/4" gap, then recommeded tapconning every 3-4th one down..Now I get it..DOH!! *light slap of palm to forehead*

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I have been following your thread and have been itching to pull the trigger on paint sprayers. I have a large compressor so the investment wouldn't be that bad. Maybe come Spring.

RPH.

I fired up the sprayer for the first time this weekend.. (still in learning curve for stain schedule) and if made one recommendation, I would recommend that regardless of the HVLP sprayer you decide on, I would make sure you can get an adaptor (for the gun you choose)that works with one of the disposal cup systems.. IE.. Devilbiss Dekups system or the 3Mpps system.

I dont know if you've seen these, but it was new to me. I went with the Dekups system and for the weekend warrior its gonna be tought to beat and it makes clean up a breeze.

It is an interchangeable disposal cup system. The cups come in 3 different sizes 9,24 and 32 OZ.

Here you can see the frame and lid on the far right and left sides.
In the middle you have a plug, lid and liner.



This shows the cup on the gun with the adaptor..
its like a babys bottle also, as you use it the liner collapses..



When you done you just throw the liner and lid in the trash..



One of the cool things is you can have a couple of different frames ready to go.. I was playing with some Dyes and swithched to some clears in about 1min.. just twisted a new frame/cup on the gun.. a few squirts to clear the gun of the previous dye and I was off and running on the clear..

Same thing with the clean up.. had a frame/cup with cleaner ready to go and just switched to clean the gun out... I cant imagine they could have made this any eaiser..

I think the lid/liners end up costing about ~ .50-.75 for the set


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Those front pillars you have made with the lions are awesome. I can't wait to see the finished product. I will throw in a caution to them though. I had pillars built on the sides of my screen that ended up being white and they were a huge distraction when playing a movie and I ended up hating them. I hope you have taken into consideration the glare from these units.

BTW. I love the thread name. I have run into the same arguments with my wife. LOL "It's always your theater and nothing with my craft room." Well I got her craft room done and bought her special cabinets, got her happy, and now I have all of my theater stuff in her craft room making it unusable. Now shes angry again. LOL

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Those front pillars you have made with the lions are awesome. I can't wait to see the finished product. I will throw in a caution to them though. I had pillars built on the sides of my screen that ended up being white and they were a huge distraction when playing a movie and I ended up hating them. I hope you have taken into consideration the glare from these units.

BTW. I love the thread name. I have run into the same arguments with my wife. LOL "It's always your theater and nothing with my craft room." Well I got her craft room done and bought her special cabinets, got her happy, and now I have all of my theater stuff in her craft room making it unusable. Now shes angry again. LOL

I bought my wife a new desk for her craft area for her birthday (Last September), set it up for her and she went nuts getting organizers and everything for the area. She has yet to use it. 4 months and nothing. All I heard was how nice it would be to have a place to scrapbook where she could have her own space and not have to worry about cleaning it up after 10 minutes. Blah, blah, blah.

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It's scary how similar most of the people on here are with their relationships with their wifes. I think it's hilarious. I read people telling stories and I can visualize my wifes lips moving.

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