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Awesome job guys... wow...!

When can we expect the disc to be available?

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Very, Very Cool! I'd dig a copy for my reference theater. Kudos for the effort.

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BTW, Any money shot of thebland's theater would also be great for the background. His theater is awesome!


Maybe take a few background images and have them rotate... (you know, in case the menu needs to be more complex... hehe...)

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Audixium, Wonderful job on the menu thus far. So all the HD audio formats work in Encore and Premier? I may have to switch tool sets...

Looking good!

Thanks - I'm not out of PhotoShop yet. And it's most likely someone else that will be doing the actual authoring/finalization of the disc.

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Awesome job guys... wow...!

When can we expect the disc to be available?

Thanks - We're keeping the timeline fluid fully expecting things like the aspect ratio and distribution discussions to potentially change the course and final outcome.

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Very, Very Cool! I'd dig a copy for my reference theater. Kudos for the effort.

Thanks - this is definitely being done with a community focus.

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To continue with making the menu more work any thoughts on music to play during the menu sequences or sounds for button movements? I might be able to work on that, if so desired... (of course we could also pull from a soundtrack for the music)

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To continue with making the menu more work any thoughts on music to play during the menu sequences or sounds for button movements? I might be able to work on that, if so desired... (of course we could also pull from a soundtrack for the music)

Yes! Well, at least right now we plan to have SUBTLE background music/ambience as well as audible navigation and selection cues/feedback. All of these things will adhere to high standards and pass multiple reviews before getting "into the wild" as they say.

Send Steve (swithey) a PM cause we'd love some additional hands on deck .

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Yes! Well, at least right now we plan to have SUBTLE background music/ambience as well as audible navigation and selection cues/feedback. All of these things will adhere to high standards and pass multiple reviews before getting "into the wild" as they say.

Send Steve (swithey) a PM cause we'd love some additional hands on deck .

I sent him a PM. Have you guys discussed examples of what you like yet?

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Happen to stumble upon this thread and WoW. Kudos for putting together a nice HD reference disc. I love the old thread with the SD reference disc and this one already looks superior menu wise.

Glad to see other members adding newer material not covered in the SD thread. Keep up the good work.
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Steve and I were chatting about the aspect ratio discussion. In an attempt to have the initial disc serve a wide range of uses (dedicated home theaters with a lens, zoomers, 16:9 PJ folks, 50" LCD HDTV w/killer sound system, demoing equipment out and about, comparing at a friend's place, etc.), we're thinking about the following scenario:

The AR Mini Menu
The first thing you see is a basic black background with two aspect ratio icons - one for 1.78:1 and another for 2.35:1. Your initial selection will determine which menu aspect ratio you receive. Each of the two menu ARs would have a similar theme and be optimized for that particular format.

The idea is that scope folks could select 2.35:1 initially and not have to worry about engaging or disengaging the lens/scaler/etc to accommodate the menus. The majority of the clips will be in this format anyway so you wouldn't need to worry about adjustments if you select play all, or are bouncing around between the menu and your favorite clips. Some clips will be 1.78:1 (Planet Earth and probably all of the music). The current interface mockup includes an icon that indicates AR for each clip, so you would at least have some cue that it isn't scope before proceeding.

If at the Mini Menu you select 1.78:1 you get the menus as currently presented in the mockups. Nothing different than your normal Blu-Ray, DVD, or media center operation.

Would this approach work for your own situation?

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Would this approach work for your own situation?

Although more difficult to implement, I think that sounds about as accommodating as one could hope for.

A simpler solution, menu creation-wise (although more cumbersome for authoring and distribution) would be to develop two separate discs. One for scope and one for 16:9 format screens.

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Not to make this project even more complicated, but is there any desire to showcase full resolution still images as a sort of High-Def slide-show? One possible option would be a Ken Burns Effect slide show put to music?

Not to toot my own horn, but I do have a decent collection of stills from a couple of different genres (landscape, wildlife, racing, etc.) that I would offer up royalty free if there's interest.

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Would this approach work for your own situation?

This seems a perfect solution IMO. Thanks for the thought you guys are putting into this.
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Wow, really nice job so far!

The menus and such look more professional than any disk I have seen!

And the approach for the scope is perfect, imo.
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Not to make this project even more complicated, but is there any desire to showcase full resolution still images as a sort of High-Def slide-show? One possible option would be a Ken Burns Effect slide show put to music?

Not to toot my own horn, but I do have a decent collection of stills from a couple of different genres (landscape, wildlife, racing, etc.) that I would offer up royalty free if there's interest.

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Suntan,

Interesting idea. We might be able to use a slideshow as one the "clips" under the Eye Candy category. PM me so we can discuss offline.
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Not to make this project even more complicated, but is there any desire to showcase full resolution still images as a sort of High-Def slide-show? One possible option would be a “Ken Burns Effect” slide show put to music?

Not to toot my own horn, but I do have a decent collection of stills from a couple of different genres (landscape, wildlife, racing, etc.) that I would offer up royalty free if there’s interest.

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I've done a disc like that before for a photographer friend of mine. Whether to include that in this series will be up to Steve.

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swithy; NismoZ and I collaborated on picking a lot of those scenes (on page 6)... I feel we went for scenes that had both LFE and surrounds. Unfortunately, my sub is just not good enough to give me a solid handle on LFE right now. :-( I am taking donations for an SVS...
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I concur on the aspect approach too.

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great ideas guys. I'm subscribing to follow this thread.

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Would this approach work for your own situation?

I've got mixed feelings on this. The more I think about it the less I like it unless I misunderstood. If the material is going to be a mix (1.78, and "scope"), then I'd rather have some extra decision to get it going on the front end. I'd ust prefer the menu "fit" in either scenario. That is, make the menu so the buttons aren't obscured when in scope mode.

I may have misunderstood the intention as I admit to just skimming the suggestion (sorry). That said, if you are going to segregate the material below the aspect selections between "Scope" and 1.78:1 then I can see the utility of having the selection. For me the switch takes 1 second so not a big deal, but for a "zoomer"... different perspective. But in this case, you need representative subject material (e.g subwoofer demo) in 2.3x:1 and 1.78:1. You end up with double work, sort of 2 DVD's in one.
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GetGray,

As I understand it would be similar to selecting a theatrical version of a movie or an unrated version for example. You typically would select this just before the movies goes to menus. Same idea, select if you want 16:9 or 2:35, then the menu on out will be set to the proper AR.

The material won't be segregated for vertical stretch you'll simply get some clipping top and bottom. Zoomers are the ones that would suffer I believe.
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I've got mixed feelings on this. The more I think about it the less I like it unless I misunderstood. If the material is going to be a mix (1.78, and "scope"), then I'd rather have some extra decision to get it going on the front end. I'd ust prefer the menu "fit" in either scenario. That is, make the menu so the buttons aren't obscured when in scope mode.

I may have misunderstood the intention as I admit to just skimming the suggestion (sorry). That said, if you are going to segregate the material below the aspect selections between "Scope" and 1.78:1 then I can see the utility of having the selection. For me the switch takes 1 second so not a big deal, but for a "zoomer"... different perspective. But in this case, you need representative subject material (e.g subwoofer demo) in 2.3x:1 and 1.78:1. You end up with double work, sort of 2 DVD's in one.

Let me try to clarify. First, all of the clips can be selected individually which would meet your desire to "have some extra decision to get it going on the front end".

The content will not intentionally be segregated by aspect ratio. However, most of the Blu-Ray movie content in the LFE and Surround categories by default will be 2.3x:1. This isn't a problem for folks who are 1.78:1 because when they currently play a 2.3x:1 Blu-Ray (or any other scope formatted SD flick) they just get the horizontal black bars. Nothing new for them here.

In a nutshell there would be:

- Two menu aspect ratios: the initial selection at load takes you into either a scope or 16:9 formatted menu system
- A single HD version of each of the content clips: both menus systems point at the same content

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GetGray,

As I understand it would be similar to selecting a theatrical version of a movie or an unrated version for example. You typically would select this just before the movies goes to menus. Same idea, select if you want 16:9 or 2:35, then the menu on out will be set to the proper AR.

The material won't be segregated for vertical stretch you'll simply get some clipping top and bottom. Zoomers are the ones that would suffer I believe.

Yes - this poses a problem for zoomers when they decide to pull up a 1.78:1 clip (assuming they start out zoomed and select the scope menu). However, the category menus (links to HD version) contain an indication of the aspect ratio for each clip. If you have a memory function it will be easier to toggle. If you are manually making adjustments (manual sled and/or PJ w/o zoom or AR memory) you are probably already used to "the process".

Steve is on top of all this (and is scope if you didn't already know). One of the intial goals for this disc was to be "portable" and serve a variety of uses. So unless that goal is removed I think this setup might just work.

We want everyone's feedback before a decision is made. So please chime in with your thoughts.

P.S. We have talked about "2.3x:1 only" discs in a future series - perhaps a "CinemaScope" series. That is certainly a way off right now.

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As long as the menu is quick I wouldn't object to the extra click.
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i concur on the aspect approach too.

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How hard is the authoring? If we wanted, could we modify the background with our own images?

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I know I'm a little late to the party, but here's my 2¢.

Scenes: Casino Royale Chapter 2; 00:10:40 to 00:16:20 (the freerunning intro) Great scenery, especially the crane part. One explosion at 00:12:26.

Casino Royale Chapter 16; 02:18:40 to 02:20:06 (the Bond. James Bond part) Also great scenery; the helicopter pan of the chateaux is stunning.

Disc format: AVCHD on DVD9. I'm not interested in watching a whole movie, just some scenes to rock the house.

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I know I'm a little late to the party, but here's my 2¢.

Not late at all! While the discussion has been focused lately on the menu design, we still need more input regarding the clips. Folks should chime in with confirmations of already submitted clips, or provide their own favorites just like you have done.

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How hard is the authoring? If we wanted, could we modify the background with our own images?

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Guys i have great news!


With the talks about where to seed from, an idea popped into my head.


I emailed the ceo of my ISP (a Canadian company who's actually in touch with their user base... they actually hosted some game servers for us not too long ago) and asked him if he could donate some server space/transit to seed this and they said sure!


when you guys get this finished up let me know and i'll work with them to get it hosted for torrents Should be a pretty fast connection. Guessing here, but i think they have 100mbps available.. maybe more?
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Wow, that's great news Mike.

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Guys i have great news!


With the talks about where to seed from, an idea popped into my head.


I emailed the ceo of my ISP (a Canadian company who's actually in touch with their user base... they actually hosted some game servers for us not too long ago) and asked him if he could donate some server space/transit to seed this and they said sure!


when you guys get this finished up let me know and i'll work with them to get it hosted for torrents Should be a pretty fast connection. Guessing here, but i think they have 100mbps available.. maybe more?

Thanks so much Mike! We'll be in touch with you when we get to that point.
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