Gauging Interest: Hollow Quarter Round Trim for Wiring - AVS | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Baselworld is only a few weeks away. Getting the latest news is easy, Click Here for info on how to join the Watchuseek.com newsletter list. Follow our team for updates featuring event coverage, new product unveilings, watch industry news & more!


Forum Jump: 
 
Thread Tools
post #1 of 20 Old 07-30-2009, 11:05 AM - Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Techibility's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 4
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Hi Everyone,
I have been searching for over a year now for hollow 3/4" quarter round trim to hide my home theater wiring as a raceway that blends in with the baseboard. I recently gave up on this search and focused my search on companies that will manufacture this trim for me. I have located the company, problem is that startup cost is pretty high.

I was hoping there would be some others interested in purchasing trim once manufacturing is complete. The specification calls for using Rigid PVC (RPVC) which I am told is paintable and easily cut with a hack saw. Each section would 8 feet long. I have attached a side view so you get an idea. My goal is to ensure that the size and shape are as close to the solid quarter round that you would find in home improvement stores.

I am still working on price, but it would most likely be around $1-1.50 per foot + shipping charges from zip 18966. If you are interested, please let me know the number of 8 foot sections you would purchase.

Thanks and I hope for a lot of responses,
Shaun
LL
Techibility is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 20 Old 07-30-2009, 11:31 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Suntan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Twin Cities
Posts: 7,156
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 49 Post(s)
Liked: 58
How are you going to pull cable through that? And how much cable do you reckon will fit in there anyway? I assume you plan to glue it in place?

Lastly, wouldn't it just be easier to use a router table and router out a slot in the bottom of a traditional piece of wooden quarter round to lay the cable in? Or even to just install the main baseboard about ½ inch above the floor, to provide a channel' for your wire underneath it, then install a traditional piece of quarter round in front of it to hide the channel?

-Suntan
Suntan is offline  
post #3 of 20 Old 07-30-2009, 11:46 AM
AVS Club Gold
 
Mr.Poindexter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Clovis, California
Posts: 7,405
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Liked: 26
I had to hide some wiring when I was doing a job once because some plans that were provided by an outside firm didn't have the proper cables detailed and I had to fix the mess. We run wires through a chair rail - not an ideal situation IMO.

I think you would be best served looking at flatwire as you can spackle and paint over it or run it under carpet. When showing that to an older friend of mine, he saw it and said it was submarine wire.

The issue with wiring like that is you cannot repair it easily if it goes bad and nailing up the wood is a very easy way to damage your wire.

They do have stuff that does what you want they sell for office installations but it isn't what I would consider attractive in an office and certainly wouldn't look any better in a home.
Mr.Poindexter is offline  
post #4 of 20 Old 07-30-2009, 11:57 AM - Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Techibility's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 4
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Hi Suntan,
Glue would indeed be used. In my particular application (and many I have seen) the bundle of wires that I will be running will be way too thick to safely route out the quarter round. Furthermore, I will have a dual zone setup, so I will have to run wiring through multiple rooms of my home to get to my second zone. I do not wish to tear out all the molding and place higher... just me. As for the number of wires, I am planning on at least the following:

4 - 14g speaker wires
1 - sub cable
1 - vga cable
1 - cat 5
1 - 3.5 stereo cable
(last 3 items for pc hookup)

Mr.Poindexter,
I would consider the flat cable if I was only running speaker wire, but that's not the case. All the standard raceways for cabling look awful in my opinion, but I have considered this as a last resort. Plus since I already have solid quarter round over my laminate floor, the look would stay exactly the same!
Techibility is offline  
post #5 of 20 Old 07-30-2009, 12:08 PM
Senior Member
 
Nitemage's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Vestal, NY
Posts: 286
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 11
I doubt you will be able to fit much more in ther then the speaker wires. Have you considered something like wiretracks? While it is more work it would provide a lot more room for expansion.

http://www.wiretracks.com/prod-rf.html
Nitemage is offline  
post #6 of 20 Old 07-30-2009, 12:23 PM
HOME THEATER CONTRACTOR
 
BIGmouthinDC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 22,337
Mentioned: 26 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 968 Post(s)
Liked: 943
Quote:
Originally Posted by Techibility View Post

I have been searching for over a year now

Welcome to the Forum, now we get to rag on you. I think you could have hidden the wires using other non visible methods in less than a weekend. But I don't know about the construction of your walls so I am making assumptions.
BIGmouthinDC is online now  
post #7 of 20 Old 07-30-2009, 12:30 PM
Senior Member
 
jdholmes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 268
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by BIGmouthinDC View Post

Welcome to the Forum, now we get to rag on you. I think you could have hidden the wires using other non visible methods in less than a weekend. But I don't know about the construction of your walls so I am making assumptions.


+1.

Welcome...however...

I really do not believe you will fit anything but the speaker wires if that...and how do you get the speaker wire started as well as turn at the corners? Just seems like a hard way around things.

If you can't snake through walls I would have just taken off the quarter round you have on it, routed the bottom of the baseboards and stuffed the cables that way - then get a proper base cap to replace the quarter round with. Quarter round doesn't look as good.

Not worth the investment.
jdholmes is offline  
post #8 of 20 Old 07-30-2009, 12:51 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Suntan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Twin Cities
Posts: 7,156
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 49 Post(s)
Liked: 58
Quote:
Originally Posted by Techibility View Post

...1 - vga cable...

How are you going to get this:



Through something with a cross section of this?:



-Suntan
Suntan is offline  
post #9 of 20 Old 07-30-2009, 01:20 PM - Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Techibility's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 4
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Wow... tough crowd! I thought about the whole connector issue after the drawing was drafted and i thought it would be wise to have a small notch cut in the back of the trim that would allow the cabling in and out. As for the connectors, they will be going into the bottom of the wall (behind Q.R) up to a plate/jack. I attached a new sideview DRAFT
LL
Techibility is offline  
post #10 of 20 Old 07-30-2009, 01:23 PM
Senior Member
 
jdholmes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 268
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Techibility View Post

Wow... tough crowd! I thought about the whole connector issue after the drawing was drafted and i thought it would be wise to have a small notch cut in the back of the trim that would allow the cabling in and out. As for the connectors, they will be going into the bottom of the wall (behind Q.R) up to a plate/jack. I attached a new sideview DRAFT

Not tough - logical.

It still wouldn't work.

Suntan gave a great response.

Hold the end of a VGA cable up to one of your pieces of quarter round in your house...

Better yet, bundle up all the cables you are looking to shove in and hold them up to it...
jdholmes is offline  
post #11 of 20 Old 07-30-2009, 01:36 PM - Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Techibility's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 4
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
jdholmes... before taking this idea to manufacturers, the first thing I did was compare the wire bundle to a sample piece of Q.R... Everything fits, with (what appears to be) room to spare. With the relatively thin walls of the proposed trim, i believe there will be plenty of room to contain my wiring. Thanks everyone for all your input though.
Techibility is offline  
post #12 of 20 Old 07-30-2009, 01:55 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Suntan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Twin Cities
Posts: 7,156
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 49 Post(s)
Liked: 58
Quote:
Originally Posted by Techibility View Post

jdholmes... before taking this idea to manufacturers, the first thing I did was compare the wire bundle to a sample piece of Q.R... Everything fits, with (what appears to be) room to spare. With the relatively thin walls of the proposed trim, i believe there will be plenty of room to contain my wiring. Thanks everyone for all your input though.

Now take all those cables and try to bend them into a sharp 90° bend such as the quarter round makes in the corner of your wall. Do they still stay within that envelop?

Second, even using some type of adhesive to hold the QR in place, with a wall thickness of only 50 thousandths using PVC, I don't see how you could get this extruded QR to keep its shape while the glue dries. Unless you have perfectly straight cables with no kinks in them (possibly doable for vga cables, but not likely for long CAT5 runs or speaker wire) they will want to pull that open C channel apart long before the glue dries to hold it in place.

-Suntan
Suntan is offline  
post #13 of 20 Old 07-30-2009, 01:59 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Suntan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Twin Cities
Posts: 7,156
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 49 Post(s)
Liked: 58
One more quick thought, when you say you checked that your bundle of cables would fit, did you make sure to mock it up using in-wall rated wires? They can have more insulated shielding on them, making them fatter.

As you will be permanently adhering them into the wood work, I would hazard to guess that most inspectors would require an in wall rating.

-Suntan
Suntan is offline  
post #14 of 20 Old 07-30-2009, 04:49 PM
HOME THEATER CONTRACTOR
 
BIGmouthinDC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 22,337
Mentioned: 26 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 968 Post(s)
Liked: 943
One other consideration of this and other wall mounted solutions is what are you going to do when you meet a doorway, fireplace or hallway?

My recommendation for DIYers with moderate wall fishing skills would be to punch a hole in the wall and pull cables up to the ceiling exiting via another hole. Then go around the perimeter of the room inside crown molding. Then descend inside stud bays.

Fishing a wire vertically inside a single joist bay is relatively simple for a first time fisherman. If you encounter a horizontal brace, then you cut a hole in the drywall, drill a hole in the brace and patch the drywall.

There is a crown molding design that compliments just about every architectural style.
BIGmouthinDC is online now  
post #15 of 20 Old 07-30-2009, 07:03 PM
AVS Club Gold
 
Mr.Poindexter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Clovis, California
Posts: 7,405
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Liked: 26
You can also put a HELL of a lot of wires behind some crown moulding. I have an obscene amount of wiring going (13 runs of 12ga. speaker wire, 3 balanced interconects, 5 RG6 and I think 3 or 4 cat5e) to the front of my theater along some crown moulding so I wouldn't have to punch holes in the walls in my room (preserving the soundproofing efforts).

With regards to the VGA cable, you can run the cable through the walls and terminate the ends later although it is a PITA. Rapid Run cables make such things quite convenient.

I think you will be much happier if you just bite the bullet and fish it through the walls.
Mr.Poindexter is offline  
post #16 of 20 Old 07-31-2009, 06:09 AM
Senior Member
 
jdholmes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 268
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
It appears support for the marketing of this is just not here. I for one would love, though, to see a picture of this bundle of wires held up to the standard quarter round...I was looking at a piece of mine last night and thinking, "Really?"

Keep in mind the wiring has to stay within the "C" of the cut out - and with this many wires, as Suntan said, you are going to fight the whole time it is adhering to the wall to keep it in place. And then the issue with corners - you aren't going to be able to turn that bundle inside of such a tight area...not possible, not without splitting the thing off the wall the whole way down and ruining the adhesive job you just worked so hard for. And then as Big said..the doors - you would end up having to fish them up the wall (what you worked so hard to avoid).


It's again, just a really hard (and expensive) way around a simple task.
A manufacturer will make you pretty much anything you want if you pay enough...doesn't mean it will work for the intended purpose.

Peace...do understand we aren't attacking you, just an idea that we don't believe can work...and you put it out there.
jdholmes is offline  
post #17 of 20 Old 07-31-2009, 06:24 AM
Senior Member
 
Mr_Mike_P's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 380
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 11
i think your idea is great, but as others have pointed out its not technically feasable for the situation...

this one doesnt look terrible, with some regular 1/4 round you can make it asthetically pleasing.



Mr_Mike_P is offline  
post #18 of 20 Old 08-31-2009, 02:51 PM
Member
 
Josh358's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 95
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by Techibility View Post

Hi Everyone,
I have been searching for over a year now for hollow 3/4" quarter round trim to hide my home theater wiring as a raceway that blends in with the baseboard. I recently gave up on this search and focused my search on companies that will manufacture this trim for me. I have located the company, problem is that startup cost is pretty high.

I was hoping there would be some others interested in purchasing trim once manufacturing is complete. The specification calls for using Rigid PVC (RPVC) which I am told is paintable and easily cut with a hack saw. Each section would 8 feet long. I have attached a side view so you get an idea. My goal is to ensure that the size and shape are as close to the solid quarter round that you would find in home improvement stores.

I am still working on price, but it would most likely be around $1-1.50 per foot + shipping charges from zip 18966. If you are interested, please let me know the number of 8 foot sections you would purchase.

Thanks and I hope for a lot of responses,
Shaun

I've been looking for the same thing. Neither baseboard nor crown molding will work in my situation. The closest I've been able to find so far are the D-line quadrant trunking

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/47583/...GQMCSTHZPCFFA#

and the Maplin, which appears to be similar:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?moduleno=220582

Both seem to be available only in the UK . . .
Josh358 is offline  
post #19 of 20 Old 08-31-2009, 05:45 PM
Member
 
badata2d's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 122
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I havent looked for it in the US, but these structured wiring solutions are very common in Europe and quite easy to buy off the shelf. Would seem to be a much easier solution.
badata2d is offline  
post #20 of 20 Old 06-13-2013, 10:01 AM
Senior Member
 
PerryH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 314
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Holy thread resurrection Batman!

I came across this thread while researching this possibility for two small surround speaker wires.

Just FYI, such a product now exists...

E.g.,
http://www.cableorganizer.com/d-line-quarter-raceway/
PerryH is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply Dedicated Theater Design & Construction



Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off