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You may want to check Craigslist as an alternate source for used tools. I was a bit apprehensive, but there are a lot of guys who buy a tool new for a specific project and never use it again. Just do a good job qualifying which one to get and you may be able to get a really nice router for $35 to $50. But the Bosch one you chose will work fine and should have no problem whatsoever easing the edge of the fiberglass panels. Harbor Freight tools has cheap router bits, fyi.
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I love the plans and drawings you are using in your build. What software are you using to help with your design?
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Thanks Greenfish. I'm using AutoCAD for all the design work. Fortunately, I use it for my day job so I didn't have to go out and buy a copy to use just for theater design. It's pretty pricey and I would not recommend getting it just for your theater. Sketchup is fairly popular (and free). Microsoft Visio is used quite often as well.
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I'm getting closer to being able to construct my fabric frames. First order of business was to add the furring strips to the wall (cut from 1/2" ply). The furring strips will receive the socket ends of the speaker grill guides while the actual fabric panels get the ball end.

Between the furring strips and all of the individual strips needed for the actual frames, I have a lot of cutting to do. Unfortunately, I don't own a table saw and my tool budget is just about gone. A circular saw, edge guide and a few clamps will have to get me through.

My redneck table saw
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My only sawhorses are holding up my workbench/tools outside the theater, so I dusted off an old pair of tv trays to support the plywood. Cutting the strips is actually faster than I thought it would be. Not as fast as a table saw, but fast enough. I only had one cut that gave me trouble. I couldn't figure out why this one particular cut was much slower than the others. Turns out I was cutting through the ply AND the tv tray.
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As I mentioned earlier, I learned that my walls are not very plumb and I became a little concerned that the ball & socket approach would turn into a major headache if the furring strips went up out of plumb. So, quite a bit of my time has been spent shimming each furring strip to address irregularities in the wall, both horizontal and vertical. When I'm done, all the panels should pop right in without warping or twisting.

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Now that's my kind of table saw smile.gif
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Is that a Milwaukee skill saw? It looks a lot like the saw I have, and I really like it. Nothing wrong with that table saw I might add smile.gif

Dude, are you made of leprechauns? Cause that was awesome!

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Is that a Milwaukee skill saw? It looks a lot like the saw I have, and I really like it. Nothing wrong with that table saw I might add smile.gif

Looks like a Milwaukee circular saw to me...Skil is its own company tongue.gif They just happened to invent it

As for the saw guide, I can't see what you have but I ordered from Amazon the Kreg saw guide and it is very good at cutting sheets from 1/8" to just over 24"
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Larry is correct. The circular saw is a Milwaukee worm drive and it works great. I've had it for about 5 years and haven't had any trouble.

Sorry, I can't remember what kind of saw guide I have. It started out as two 4' pieces of aluminum that slid together in some way for a really long extension, but I usually just use one of the pieces and clamp it where needed.
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Getting ready to order the Porter Cable US58 upholstery stapler and also want to order the correct size staples. It takes 22 ga. 3/8" crown staples from 1/4"-5/8" long. What length are folks using to secure the fabric on their fabric panels?
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B&C 3/8 staples from Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/Eagle-71-10-8-Inch-Galvanized/dp/B00002267X/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1343934140&sr=8-3&keywords=b%26c+3%2F8+staples

I use 10000-20000 for an all fabric theater YMMV.
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good find. The Grex pinner is the industry benchmark so I respect the brand. Next time I need some I'll try a box. Just a FYI in 5 years and over 100,000 staples I've never had a single jamb with the Porter and B&C combo.
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I can't wait till I have to bight the bullet and buy the PC US58
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I used 5/8" mostly - Porter Cable, and the last box was some unknown brand that the local hardware store had sitting on the shelf since the monolithic era.
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Brad, I have a hard enough time removing 3/8 staples when I make a mistake, can't imagine using 5/8
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Oh that's easy to address - just don't make any mistakes! tongue.gif I didn't have too much trouble pulling a few staples gone wrong, tip of screwdriver plus pliers get them out - as long as they're not too deeply embedded, which if I set the pressure / depth adjustment right, they shouldn't be.
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Carpet Samples-Round 1

Picked out a few carpet samples on Sunday afternoon.

Top row (l to r):
Dixie Active Life, style:Living Treasure, color:Mandolin
Dixie Ultra Life, style:Enticing, color: picked for pattern, not color
Tuftex, style: Wavelength, color: Brownstone

Middle Row (l to r):
Masland Office to Home, style: Quadrate II, color: Iron ore
Masland Office to Home, style: Cervantes, color: Quixote
Shaw, style: Gabriella, color: Java
Shaw, style: Gabriella, color: Practical Brown
Masland, style: Tristan, color: Ironwork
Masland, style: Tristan, color:Raven

Bottom Row (l to r)
Mohawk Ultra Life, style: Luxe Living, color: Tavern
Masland, style: Tristan, color: Onyx

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I still need to track down a few Stanton carpet samples, but this was a pretty good haul for our first stop.

For wall fabric, I'm going with a two-tone color scheme (earth tones), with a light color going on the side walls and a dark color going on the columns and rear wall. The dark color will also be used as an accent band along the top and bottom of the side walls. Black trim will be used between the two colors of fabric.

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A first attempt at pairing some of the fabric samples to carpet.

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I have to be careful because I'm finding that I either end up with a very monochromatic color scheme with little contrast if I try to keep everything dark or I start to introduce colors that might be a little too light in order to gain some contrast. I really don't want a brown cave, but I don't want to compromise image quality with walls that might be too bright. Any initial thoughts or concerns?
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Sorry to tell you this but I like them all. No help here frown.gif

Since I'm trying to help: of the carpets I like
Dixie Ultra Life
Shaw, style: Gabriella
Masland, style: Tristan

Ironically when I went to the store a few months back, I think I picked the Masland as one of my favorites.

Of your color combinations, I think I like the following the most (I do like them all though)
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Any opinions on whether I should stick with the same style of fabric for the 2 colors? I have a few color schemes that have fabric from two different manufacturers, so the weave/texture will be different between the two colors. Not sure that is a bad thing as it might add some additional interest. However, part of me thinks they should both be the same (either light & dark GOM or light & dark Acoustimac, instead of a combination).
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I'd definitely think about mixing the textures - certainly adds interest and also breaks up any "commercial space" feel you might get. Which is the same reason I don't like combo #1...

My vote would be for combo #7 (I think). I do like the Tristan/Ironwork carpet the best of those. If I did mine over I'd choose a carpet with some color patterns (mine is patterned but monochromatic) - can go a long way to hide the popcorn crumbs you will miss! Also, go with dark carpet as it will hide the inevitable spills that will happen when you put lots of people with drinks in a dark room. Stainmaster rescued a full red wine spill last month! (no damage - very happy about that)

But really, just get that thing finished already!!! biggrin.gif

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I like option #1.

It seems like a good combination of a dark carpet and a nice wall fabric texture mix and color contrast.

But no matter which way you go, looking good Spaceman!

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I'd definitely think about mixing the textures - certainly adds interest and also breaks up any "commercial space" feel you might get. Which is the same reason I don't like combo #1...

Combo #1 is actually one of the schemes that has 2 different fabrics. One is from GOM's Broadcast line and is fairly smooth while the 2nd fabric is from Acoustimac and has a visible weave. Is it the fabric that looks "commercial" to you or the carpet? The carpet is actually from Masland's commercial line, and I didn't like it at first but it became the easiest one to match fabric to, so it kind of grew on me. It's similar to what Mario just put in his Cinemar Theater.
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Combo #1 is actually one of the schemes that has 2 different fabrics. One is from GOM's Broadcast line and is fairly smooth while the 2nd fabric is from Acoustimac and has a visible weave. Is it the fabric that looks "commercial" to you or the carpet? The carpet is actually from Masland's commercial line, and I didn't like it at first but it became the easiest one to match fabric to, so it kind of grew on me. It's similar to what Mario just put in his Cinemar Theater.

Yeah, I meant the overall look (at least from a sample board), but the way I worded it was confusing... I think it's a combination of the brown palette and the geometric carpet pattern that gives me the commercial vibe... And no, I don't dislike that carpet, either. But it will show the popcorn!

A lot of the GOM fabric patterns make me itch. They look way too much like the cubical walls. biggrin.gif

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I may be the odd man out on this, but I am partial to 6, 13 and 16 but I have to say none of them really jumped out at me to the point I was saying "that's the one". I am not necessarily in love with the carpet on #6, but I like where you were headed with pulling out a subtle color from the carpet and bringing it to the walls. 13 and 16 have enough contrast to avoid a "sea of brown" which you wanted to avoid. Perhaps it is the lighting, but something is slightly off in the overall hue of the three samples in # 13 to my eyes. I don't see the same issue with the samples in 16.

I do like the variation in texture you have in #1, but considering you are doing all of your walls with fabric, I think there is something to be said for the consistency of the texture and letting the difference in colors make the statement. I realize my thoughts on this are clear as mud, but here they are nonetheless.
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I may be the odd man out on this, but I am partial to 6, 13 and 16 but I have to say none of them really jumped out at me to the point I was saying "that's the one".

Unfortunately, none have jumped out at me either. I think I may have more success with some Stanton carpet samples. Hope to track some down this week.
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Perhaps it is the lighting, but something is slightly off in the overall hue of the three samples in # 13 to my eyes.

I know even less about photography than I do theater building, so I had a hard time getting an accurate representation of colors, especially from one photo to the next. I believe the worst offender is #10, but there are a few others that aren't very accurate.
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I do like the variation in texture you have in #1, but considering you are doing all of your walls with fabric, I think there is something to be said for the consistency of the texture and letting the difference in colors make the statement.

I'm leaning this way too. Thanks for the input.
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I think I may have more success with some Stanton carpet samples.

I have this Stanton Carpet as one my own personal finalists for the "Stonewater Cinema". It is Masquerade style in Caviar color: http://www.stantoncarpet.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=282&SKUID=1032

I also have a Kane carpet (similar to Stanton) picked out as a finalist. It is called Charming and the color is Obsidian: http://www.kanecarpet.com/products/index.html?category=6&page=14&id=3264

I am still on the hunt for other possibilities, including a carpet Dave (Kinetic River Cinema) found in a rendering. Both of us still haven't found the manufacturer or style for this carpet ...... yet..... http://www.avsforum.com/t/1413846/kinetic-river-cinema#post_22125899

Looking forward to more updates!
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Those are nice. A little too fancy for my room, but I like all of them. I'm on the lookout for these:

Stanton Osborne-Ebonized
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Stanton Lake Boden-Black
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Stanton Hickory-Marble
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Stanton Gentry-Ashwood
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I have a sample of the Lake Boden...it looks nice on the web but I was really disappointed when I saw it in person. BTW, Stanton will send you 6x6 samples of any carpet you want free with no limit. You do have to order the samples through a dealer, though.

I will also say that Stanton dealers had HUGELY varied pricing. I got quotes from $54 per square yard up to $92 per square yard for the exact same carpet. I couldn't believe the range of pricing. I would say if you are able to get in the $50 / square yard range for the polypropylene carpet you are doing great.
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I have a sample of the Lake Boden...it looks nice on the web but I was really disappointed when I saw it in person. BTW, Stanton will send you 6x6 samples of any carpet you want free with no limit. You do have to order the samples through a dealer, though.
I will also say that Stanton dealers had HUGELY varied pricing. I got quotes from $54 per square yard up to $92 per square yard for the exact same carpet. I couldn't believe the range of pricing. I would say if you are able to get in the $50 / square yard range for the polypropylene carpet you are doing great.

That's good to know, since I live in the land of furniture and carpet stores and only found two local dealers for Stanton. Not expecting to get competitive prices on that particular brand.
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