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Steve,
You did such a great job on this demo that I keep watching the clips on it instead of watching whole movies !!!! I really like the cross section of clips that you picked. Thanks again for all your efforts on this intense project.
I would like to nominate War of the Worlds pod emerging scene ~22 min in about 4-5 min long depending on where you ended it for disc 2 if there is one (since it is now out on blu-ray)
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I have noticed that the volume level on the music clips are louder on the demo disc than they are on the actual discs (which I own both of). No distortion, but louder.

Just finished ripping the disc. It plays perfectly on a TDK BD-RE in my PS3 slim. Thank you for the demo disc it is fantastic!

I've listened to the Dave Matthews blu-ray and the clip from the demo disc and from what I can tell they are identical both in volume and content.

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I shouldn't have thrown that comment out there without double checking and measuring. It was only an impression. Maybe my ears were more sensative that night. I usually watch that song from the disc at a -6db MV. When watching the demo disc I couldn't get beyond -12db.

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I shouldn't have thrown that comment out there without double checking and measuring. It was only an impression. Maybe my ears were more sensative that night. I usually watch that song from the disc at a -6db MV. When watching the demo disc I couldn't get beyond -12db.

Right, but do you use the TrueHD track normally? The Dave Matthews Bluray has lossless LPCM in addition to the lossless TrueHD track.

Otherwise I'm not sure it's possible for it to be any different. It is a direct rip of the audio. There has been no mixing or reencoding to alter the output level.

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Okay, if I'm going to make the statement then I owe it to you guys to check it out further.

Just went downstairs and measured with the RSM. Master Volume -30db for both discs. TrueHD track for both discs. It's not perfect due to watching the meter with live music, but my findings did support my initial claim. I measured peaks on the demo disc at 80db and at no time did the original disc peak beyond 76db.

So this either means I don't know how to test properly (likely) or it is in fact different.

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Okay, if I'm going to make the statement then I owe it to you guys to check it out further.

Just went downstairs and measured with the RSM. Master Volume -30db for both discs. TrueHD track for both discs. It's not perfect due to watching the meter with live music, but my findings did support my initial claim. I measured peaks on the demo disc at 80db and at no time did the original disc peak beyond 76db.

So this either means I don't know how to test properly (likely) or it is in fact different.

Interesting. I'll have to bust out the meter and do the same.

Regardless I still don't think it's possible for the clip on the demo disc to be different than the clip on the disc it was ripped from. Perhaps my source disc has a variance with yours? I'll report back my findings

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My RSM couldn't detect any difference.



Course, he wasn't wearing fancy leopard skin shorts like Tony sometimes does, which might have skewed his results somewhat.

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100 % thanks scuba now time to seed away
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All I can say is WOW!!!! I have a SIM2 and Integra components and I am blown away!! My ancient sony BDPS1 loaded fast and played every track flawlessly. Hats off Steve!!! As i like to say "this disc is Tits McGee!!"

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Just got my disc yesterday and just wanted to confirm, no issues with my Panasonic BD-35. I was a little nervous, because I read that Steve said Panny's were hit or miss. No issues and great disc! Although I love it, I am debating selling it. If anyone is interested in this, pm me. No waiting and Scubasteve doesn't need to take the time to make one.
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link to PSDs complete file, Photoshop or Elements needed to open and/or edit.

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here is what they look like





And below are the actual jpeg files so you can download and print.

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Your cover lists Michael Jackson and Korn, neither of which are on the disc, IIRC.

Also, one of the clips has an equals sign instead of a hyphen between the movie and scene and some don't have the scene listed at all.


PS. Dinosaur, Introduction, and Demonstration are spelled wrong on the back and Demonstration is spelled wrong on the front.

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Your cover lists Michael Jackson and Korn, neither of which are on the disc, IIRC.

Also, one of the clips has an equals sign instead of a hyphen between the movie and scene and some don't have the scene listed at all.

I just got my burner, so I don't really know what the final menu structure is, I used Steve's spreadsheet. If you post the final menu structure and the clips/scene description I'll change it to what it needs to be and correct all the errors.

Thank you Stew for the proof reading, I'll make the spelling and menu corrections.

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Okay, if I'm going to make the statement then I owe it to you guys to check it out further.

Just went downstairs and measured with the RSM. Master Volume -30db for both discs. TrueHD track for both discs. It's not perfect due to watching the meter with live music, but my findings did support my initial claim. I measured peaks on the demo disc at 80db and at no time did the original disc peak beyond 76db.

So this either means I don't know how to test properly (likely) or it is in fact different.

I found the same to be true for me as well. I had posted that earlier in the thread but it was mixed in with some other stuff so it probably just got overlooked. I'm very familiar with the Dave Matthews disc and it was apparent to me right away.

Both my Bluray disc and my 1for1 .iso of the disk differs from the demo disc levels. I am comparing the 7.1 track TrueHD.

I didn't notice any sound level anomalies on any other track but ofc I'm not as familiar with them either.

Not a big deal but it'd just be interesting to know why it occurred.
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I found the same to be true for me as well. I had posted that earlier in the thread but it was mixed in with some other stuff so it probably just got overlooked. I'm very familiar with the Dave Matthews disc and it was apparent to me right away.

Both my Bluray disc and my 1for1 .iso of the disk differs from the demo disc levels. I am comparing the 7.1 track TrueHD.

I didn't notice any sound level anomalies on any other track but ofc I'm not as familiar with them either.

Not a big deal but it'd just be interesting to know why it occurred.

Steve, sorry I didn't catch your comment earlier. But yes, I know the disc intimately and could hear the difference right away. Glad to hear some verification so that I can rule out my hardware. Although, it may point towards differences in the original disc material itself...which is not comforting.

Certainly don't want to sound like I'm complaining. I'm completely grateful!

On another note, the Casino Royale clip is the most stunning demo in my room that I have come across! It will PLASTER you to the back of your seat and have you gasping for breath! I had never heard it before. Goes to show two things though. One, quality of original recordings vary greatly. And two, each of our rooms have their own unique areas of excellence. I now have that one demo clip that beyond a shadow of doubt will leave the most demanding enthusiast with their jaw on the ground!

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Steve, sorry I didn't catch your comment earlier. But yes, I know the disc intimately and could hear the difference right away. Glad to hear some verification so that I can rule out my hardware. Although, it may point towards differences in the original disc material itself...which is not comforting.

Certainly don't want to sound like I'm complaining. I'm completely grateful!

Yeah it's no problem. I just happened to take a look at the thread again this morning and thought I'd let you know you're not crazy.

To scubasteve: We're definitely not complaining. This is an awesome disc that you've been able to put together. My only concern about it would be the "why" question. Don't want to end up with a clip on v2.0 with a larger spl boost. My guess is it was just a mismouse click during the scenarist authoring of the clip but who knows. Nevertheless, great job!
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Yeah it's no problem. I just happened to take a look at the thread again this morning and thought I'd let you know you're not crazy.

To scubasteve: We're definitely not complaining. This is an awesome disc that you've been able to put together. My only concern about it would be the "why" question. Don't want to end up with a clip on v2.0 with a larger spl boost. My guess is it was just a mismouse click during the scenarist authoring of the clip but who knows. Nevertheless, great job!

I have confirmed that on my system the Dave clip on my Demo Disc is louder according to my RS SPL meter. (And to the ear)

Now, again, the stream isn't altered in any way. Scenarist doesn't modify streams, it only accepts them and muxs them with navigation. I don't think there is anything I did that would have boosted the THD track on this clip.

I think, considering some people have reported that there isn't a difference. That it might be player specific depending on how the player handles the track.

I use a PS3 wherein my PS3 decodes THD and kicks the audio out as LPCM over HDMI to my AVR.

The only difference between the track on my disc on the commerical track is that I've removed the Dolby Digital and LPCM streams, leaving only the THD stream.

Me thinks that my PS3, when playing back the commercial disc, is defaulting to the PCM track. Maybe there is code in the hardwares BDMV playback when decoding to LPCM to use LPCM if available. I dunno.

When I play it back on my PC, there isn't an audible difference between the two according to my SPL meter, although that's not nearly as uniform a test.

Can you tell me what hardware you have and what is decoding THD streams?

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My wife wanted to make a disc label and box cover as well. She enjoys photoshop so I'll post them here. I don't want to step on the toes of anyone who has offered to make covers and posted them thus far. Its appreciated. I think she captured the flow of the menus to the box cover really well making it appear more like a commercial release. Click the links below the picture to get the full size for printing



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How do you guys attach labels to the BDs? Do you use lightscribe BDs (I did not know they were available) Or do you have some printable BDs?
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I used a printable BD.

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hey scubasteve
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Steve, I too am using a PS3. Did I follow you right? Are you saying that I'm not getting the TrueHD audio through the PS3? Maybe it defaults to a lesser track? My processor lights up that it's getting HD audio.

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Steve, I too am using a PS3. Did I follow you right? Are you saying that I'm not getting the TrueHD audio through the PS3? Maybe it defaults to a lesser track? My processor lights up that it's getting HD audio.

Are you sending bitstream out of the PS3 so that your AVR decodes or is your PS3 decoding?

I'd like someone that isn't using a PS3 to test this.

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Scuba, tell your wife she has the "touch" because her cover look awesome. This the one I'll use!! (I'll just swap your theater picture for mine and bingo! )

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Are you sending bitstream out of the PS3 so that your AVR decodes or is your PS3 decoding?

I'd like someone that isn't using a PS3 to test this.

I'm playing it directly from an iso on the computer using Powerdvd 8 with a 4670 video card. This combo also changes the signal, like the ps3, to lpcm.

Even though there shouldn't be a difference between the lpcm and bitstream, it does seem like there is a common denominator here since the ps3, if set up correctly, converts it to lpcm.

Side note: those using the ps3 should have the audio set up to decode to lpcm in order to fully use the audio on the disc. There is a ps3 setup guide on avs that explains the differences.

*EDIT http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...t=931796#audio There's the link for the ps3 FAQ guide.
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I don't have the Dave Matthews disc so I can't compare. But something to consider is Dolby and TrueHD can pass meta data such as Dyn Range compression (On, off, midnight, auto, etc) and Dial Norm. PCM cannot. So if the PS3 or player is decoding TrueHD to PCM, not sure if those items get dropped. If so, could explain why decoding to PCM in the PS3 or player is louder.
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Don't AVRs have the option to boost the LFE on certain types of signals?
If that setting was different for LCPM compared to TrueHD, it might explain the difference.

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Scuba, tell your wife she has the "touch" because her cover look awesome. This the one I'll use!!

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