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Has anyone tried using the LED UV lights from PC makers? I've seen a number of custom loop liquid cooled PC's that use UV LED strips and reactive coolant. I'm not sure if those strips put out the right nm wavelength.

Just something I thought of as I have gotten into custom PC builds.
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Hmmmm....

OK, help me out here. Are you asking if I have used a product as shown in the picture, or my product on a wall?

As for another product... I haven't. That looks pretty cool, though, and would be great behind a crib.

As for my product, yes, I have brought the stars down walls (usually only a foot to 2 or 3 feet). I have done two rooms where we brought the night sky all the way to the floor. That I would not recommend in a child's room. The illusion is so crazy that they'd be losing their balance at night and it wouldn't be pretty. But, you were asking about one wall... and I believe that you would like it painted to be seen in the light, if I understand the question. So, no, I haven't ever painted my product to be visible in the light. I'm not sure how it would look in the light, I think that different techniques would need to be used.

Sorry if I didn't understand your question and was way off in answering you!

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Jeff,

My wife has decided to do our nursery room in a "space" (planet, stars etc) them. I mentioned you and showed some pictures and she is interested.

Have you ever used these products, the stencils, on a wall before? She wants to do a dark gray constellation wall behind the crib so I thought I'd check and see how feasible it was. Otherwise I will try to convince her to do the ceiling.

Thanks!


If anyone recalls, I posted a few months back about doing a star wall in a nursery. Well I finally got around to it and figured I'd show how it turned out. Overall I am pleased.

I ordered some 8'x8' winter constellation stencils, but didn't care for the greenish glow pain included. I decided to order some paint from Jeff's and like the aqua color so much better! I used a white paint pen to get the stars then went over it with the glow paint, finishing by using a gold Sharpie marker to get the constellation lines.

  1. First picture is the wall during the daylight.
  2. Second picture is the wall at night.
  3. And the last picture is a long exposure on my phone with the lights off.

Now I just need to find a good way of getting a fairly dim blacklight well concealed to help charge it. I was looking for a blacklight night light bulb for that little moon nightlight at the bottom, but cannot for the life of me find one.





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If anyone recalls, I posted a few months back about doing a star wall in a nursery. Well I finally got around to it and figured I'd show how it turned out. Overall I am pleased.

I ordered some 8'x8' winter constellation stencils, but didn't care for the greenish glow pain included. I decided to order some paint from Jeff's and like the aqua color so much better! I used a white paint pen to get the stars then went over it with the glow paint, finishing by using a gold Sharpie marker to get the constellation lines.

  1. First picture is the wall during the daylight.
  2. Second picture is the wall at night.
  3. And the last picture is a long exposure on my phone with the lights off.

Now I just need to find a good way of getting a fairly dim blacklight well concealed to help charge it. I was looking for a blacklight night light bulb for that little moon nightlight at the bottom, but cannot for the life of me find one.





That turned out really nice! Well done!!!

Good luck finding a black light night light. For a black light to work, it will need to be fluorescent, and I have never seen a fluorescent night light. What about just getting a 2' black light that you can keep under the crib. Then, just pull it out when you want to charge the paint... then put it back under the crib after you finish? If you're holding the light close to the wall... it will take only a few minutes to give it a good charge.

Nice job!

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@NightSkyMurals ,

Any updates on the new 365nm LED strip lights you were testing?
Not lately. I kind of got burned out trying to get something that worked as well as the tube fluorescent lights. I ordered 4 sets of lights, after being promised that they would work really well. A couple sets of lights worked great, but still not like the tube fluorescent lights. I still have one set in my office and they work fine... just not quite what I'd feel good referring to people.

I'll try again soon.

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Not lately. I kind of got burned out trying to get something that worked as well as the tube fluorescent lights. I ordered 4 sets of lights, after being promised that they would work really well. A couple sets of lights worked great, but still not like the tube fluorescent lights. I still have one set in my office and they work fine... just not quite what I'd feel good referring to people.

I'll try again soon.

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When you say the UV LEDs didn't work as well as UV fluorescents, do you mean they didn't charge up the murals as well, or they didn't have as much of the visible purple/blue spectrum as fluorescents? Without having seen any of this in person, I think I would prefer the more spectrally pure 365nm LEDs that put out hardly any visible light. That way while the stars are fluorescing, everything else would be less visible.
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These (or similar) are the strips I'm talking about: https://cablemod.com/product/cablemo...strip-30cm-uv/ these are used in PC building with reactive cables and coolant.

I couldn't find the wavelength but I'm sure you could ask them.
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They look just like the other lights that I've tested. In fact, I'm finding that what they tell you the wavelength is, doesn't always mean anything. I sent two strips back to China to have tested (by a company who was really trying hard to find out what would work best for me... so they offered to test the lights that worked well)... and they both came back having tested at over 400nm, when they were promised that they were 365nm.

Anyway, I have just been too busy to keep testing lights out when there is a light that works very well. But, I plan to try more things out, and I may even take some of my paint over to China, to personally test a lot of different lights, if I go over to find some parts for my DIY stencil kits. In case anyone is wondering... I have tried sourcing parts here, but even the parts I try to find here are made over there. So, if I do take a trip there... I will plan on spending part of my time testing lights on my paint.

Until then, you can sure try out those lights, but I would suggest sticking with the regular, tube, black lights.

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These (or similar) are the strips I'm talking about: https://cablemod.com/product/cablemo...strip-30cm-uv/ these are used in PC building with reactive cables and coolant.

I couldn't find the wavelength but I'm sure you could ask them.
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I meant that they didn't charge as well. I would love to find some lights that don't let off much visible light... but the best lights I have found have been from WildFireFX.com. They seem to have less visible light than other black lights that I have seen... plus are powerful and very nice quality.

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When you say the UV LEDs didn't work as well as UV fluorescents, do you mean they didn't charge up the murals as well, or they didn't have as much of the visible purple/blue spectrum as fluorescents? Without having seen any of this in person, I think I would prefer the more spectrally pure 365nm LEDs that put out hardly any visible light. That way while the stars are fluorescing, everything else would be less visible.

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I mead that they didn't charge as well. I would love to find some lights that don't let off much visible light... but the best lights I have found have been from WildFireFX.com. They seem to have less visible light than other black lights that I have seen... plus are powerful and very nice quality.

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The new SableLED 365nm tubes from Wildfire look interesting. http://wildfirefx.com/products/lamps/sableled.html
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I mead that they didn't charge as well. I would love to find some lights that don't let off much visible light... but the best lights I have found have been from WildFireFX.com. They seem to have less visible light than other black lights that I have seen... plus are powerful and very nice quality.

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Hi Jeff,

Which product from Wildfire do you recommend most of your clients get? There seems to be so many variants to choose from.

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They do look interesting... but I want to test one out first. I'm curious as to whether they just cause certain paints to fluoresce, or if they also will charge the glow paint. Again, I have had 365nm (what I was told) lights that would cause things to fluoresce, but only charge things minimally.

If you get one, let us know how it works. If not, then I will try to get one sent to me to text.

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Hi Chad... I just recommend what other clients have ordered and told me work well. So far, the "UltraRail" from WildfireFX seems to be the most popular. And, from what I have seen when I have painted the ceilings that already had the UltraRail lights installed... they really are great lights. So, I would say any of their black lights will be great... but UltraRail lights are the most popular.

And remember... if your bill is over $1000, they will give you 10% off. Not everyone's will... but if it does, that's at least something back.

Hope that helps!

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Which product from Wildfire do you recommend most of your clients get? There seems to be so many variants to choose from.

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They do look interesting... but I want to test one out first. I'm curious as to whether they just cause certain paints to fluoresce, or if they also will charge the glow paint. Again, I have had 365nm (what I was told) lights that would cause things to fluoresce, but only charge things minimally.

If you get one, let us know how it works. If not, then I will try to get one sent to me to text.

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One thing to remember (which I assume you know but others may not) is that LED UV lights has a lens over the emitter that focuses (directs) the light with a certain dispersion angle. Old-sytle fluorescent tubes are unidirectional and don't have to be aimed.

I won't be able to test anything until you make your next TX trip.
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Good tip, thanks!

And, that reminds me about something that, I believe, I have mentioned previously... but it should be mentioned again.

If any of you who have a star ceiling get black lights to charge up the paint... and find that the paint just doesn't seem to charge the paint well, please make sure that the plastic cover that is over the black light tube is removed. You want the black light tube to be uncovered by anything. For some reason... even that clear, plastic cover blocks out the good light that charges the paint.

I drove a couple of hours (When I was back in the area) to check on a ceiling that I had painted the previous year. I had worked with the customer to try and figure out why his room full of good black lights weren't charging his ceiling. I told him that when I was on the east coast again that I would make a trip out to see him.

I was on the east coast and drove a couple of hours to where he was and couldn't wait to see how the ceiling was not glowing. We went into his theater room and he told me that his light had been on for hours (like 10). So, he turned the lights off and... nothing! Seriously, nothing. Well, I do think I saw one star glowing faintly. We sat there discussing how it glowed perfectly when I had painted it and shown him.. but by the time he'd ordered his lights and then installed them... that somehow it lost it's glow.

Well, I was just about to suggest that I paint the mural over again for him... when I remembered another time that I took the cover off of my work black light and it made an amazing difference. I asked him if he had left the covers on the lights... and he told me, "yes." We then removed the covered and turned the lights on for about 5 minutes. When we turned the lights back off... there was the mural, just as it was the day I'd painted it. I was sooooo happy that I didn't have to paint that LARGE ceiling again!!!

I also had a customer who'd charged her stars for years with a blacklight... but when it broke, she bought a new one. A couple of months had passed since the old one broke and the new one was purchased (she was traveling)... and when she charged the mural with the new light... nothing! WE discussed what might have happened and eventually I asked if she still had that clear, plastic cover on the light. She did. She removed it and the mural was visible again.

So, please remove the covers.

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One thing to remember (which I assume you know but others may not) is that LED UV lights has a lens over the emitter that focuses (directs) the light with a certain dispersion angle. Old-sytle fluorescent tubes are unidirectional and don't have to be aimed.

I won't be able to test anything until you make your next TX trip.
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Smooth or textured?

Hi all,

Going to have Jeff paint a star ceiling for me eventually. Had a bunch of questions for him, one was if it was better to have the mural painted on a smooth or textured ceiling. He mentioned that the texture would hide the stars better during non-use time.

It seems like most of the star ceilings on AVS have smooth surfaces.

I plan on a dark blue or black ceiling.

My question is...those of you with the star ceiling on textured ceilings..do you like it. Wish you had done smooth? Does it really matter?

Thanks for any insight.

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Hi all,

Going to have Jeff paint a star ceiling for me eventually. Had a bunch of questions for him, one was if it was better to have the mural painted on a smooth or textured ceiling. He mentioned that the texture would hide the stars better during non-use time.

It seems like most of the star ceilings on AVS have smooth surfaces.

I plan on a dark blue or black ceiling.

My question is...those of you with the star ceiling on textured ceilings..do you like it. Wish you had done smooth? Does it really matter?

Thanks for any insight.

Chad
Once the light are out and the UV is on .. I can't tell if the ceiling is textured or not. If you had two rooms with stars, one textured one flat, if anyone could tell the difference with the lights off and stars glowing i'd think they were not from this planet!
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Has anyone used these? How do they work in comparison to the UltraRail?


American Dj Black 48 Blb 4Ft Blacklight Tube And Fixture

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Jeff, is there a certain number of tubes and placement plan to lightup a 12 x 10 room?

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Hi Chad... that's a good question. You've gotten one answer from someone with a ceiling, now let me add to that. He is correct... with the lights off, there is zero difference if the ceiling is textured or smooth. But, you are correct in pointing out that in the light the smoother ceilings will show more of the stars (as little bumps). Most of the stars that you will see will be the constellation stars, so the bumps kind of work... but there are some of the smaller, background stars, that also might show up. If you are OK with that, then smooth is fine. I still prefer a textured ceiling just because I like the mural to be as invisible as possible in the light. And, when painting on a dark blue or black ceiling... the mural is already going to be showing up int he light. So, texture would hide some of the stars, not all.

Hope that helps.

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Hi all,

Going to have Jeff paint a star ceiling for me eventually. Had a bunch of questions for him, one was if it was better to have the mural painted on a smooth or textured ceiling. He mentioned that the texture would hide the stars better during non-use time.

It seems like most of the star ceilings on AVS have smooth surfaces.

I plan on a dark blue or black ceiling.

My question is...those of you with the star ceiling on textured ceilings..do you like it. Wish you had done smooth? Does it really matter?

Thanks for any insight.

Chad
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I would suggest one of these places below. I've gotten customer feedback from these places and they are all low profile lights, that connect together (so you don't have to run a separate extension cord to each light).

http://wildfirefx.com/products/lighting/ultrarail.html (Probably the best, but most expensive lights. Great feedback. They offer 10% discount for orders over $1000 if you mention Night Sky Murals)

http://slimfluorescent.com (Good lights, but you may need to have them replace some that show up not working. About half the price as WildFire and once you get lights that are working... they seem to last)

http://www.blacklight.com/items/BL4360-6PK (Just had a customer tell me that they ordered lights from here and that they were happy with them. These lights seem to be priced similar to SlimFluorescent)

If you order from any of these dealers, be sure to get the little 4" or 6" (not sure which they have) mini-cords that connect the fixtures together (Daisy Chain).

Also, very important... be sure to remove the plastic guard that goes over the light. It is nice, I guess, in some situations... but will basically render the light ineffective for my murals, or any glow paint, if you leave it on.

Hope that helps!

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Jeff, is there a certain number of tubes and placement plan to lightup a 12 x 10 room?
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Thanx or the speedy reply. I almost feel guilty asking these questions as i'm not in a financial position as of now to have you paint a 200sq star field! This is something that i would really enjoy as a DIY project though....

Have you considered since you've been so generous with all of us on the info side of things possibly offering a DIY kit to Forum members? Say the appropriate paint and amounts, stencils, instructions and design tips? I know i'd be happy to pay for such a kit which would make this type of project affordable. I understand all of your hard work in developing a successful system and that proprietary info shouldn't be free so.....My ceiling is surrounded by a soffit so a painted star ceiling is almost a no brainer for me and i'd love to DIY one.
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Hey, this is just a shout out to everyone who has asked me questions on this thread over the years!

I have been wanting to redo my FAQ's on my website in both Text and Video formats, and I have been begging for questions to be asked on my FaceBook page, off and on, for a year now, with only a few questions coming in. Then as I was answering a question on here the other day... it hit me like a ton of bricks. I thought, what an idiot I am for not realizing this sooner. Some of the best questions that I've ever been asked are right here in this thread. Duh!!!

Well, there are a few pages to go through, and it is slow going, but wow, thank you to all who have asked questions here!!!!!

If you have others... please ask. Whether you want to do a mural yourself, or have someone else paint one for you... I hope that you'll find that I am always willing to help you find the best options.

Thanks again!!!

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I know a lot of you have written to ask about the UV LED strip lights. Well, just to let you know... I have yet another sample of lights being sent to me, which hopefully will include a set of lights that will work with the glow paint. If it does... I will let you know.

My fingers are crossed!

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I know a lot of you have written to ask about the UV LED strip lights. Well, just to let you know... I have yet another sample of lights being sent to me, which hopefully will include a set of lights that will work with the glow paint. If it does... I will let you know.

My fingers are crossed!

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Years ago I purchased some Nichia LEDs that were 365nm but extremely pricey. I was planning on incorporating them into an LED fixture for a fish tank. They were $100 each, believe it or not. People were trying to use LEDs to grow corals but were not getting the "pop" from the colors that you get with metal halide lights, which have some UV-A. I had a theory that the missing "pop" may have been due to the lack of UV-A from conventional LEDs. I might try to fire them up to see if they will work, but, even now, they are probably not a cost effective solution.

I found the details: Nichia UV-A (NCSU033APE), 365nm 700mA
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