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I like that idea. Build them so that anywhere near the lights is solid and non combustable. Then, everywhere that you can fit these fabric frames do that with nothing solid behind the frame. In hindsight....

Check out Jelloslug's thread. He's got some of a similar approach I think.

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Oh, that's a clever maneuver that Jelloslug came up with. Thanks for the pointers! It looks like I'll have to just buy myself that Kreg jig after all! Awwww shucks!!

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Sorry Jon I knew that not sure why I used dan

That exact thing happens a LOT. No worries!
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I made new renderings over the weekend. This shows the new plan for the carved MDF wall panels and fabric-covered acoustic panels (below). The MDF will be painted but I'm unsure of the color at this time.




This is all I did this weekend for the theater build. I did a real estate photo shoot on Sunday and Christmas shopping on Saturday!
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I really like the wavy, 3d wall panel idea Jon. As a matter of fact, I actually ran across a company several months ago that sells them. They're pretty proud of them though so I decided to go in another direction. Pretty cool that you'll be able to create them yourself.

Keep up the great work!

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I made new renderings over the weekend. This shows the new plan for the carved MDF wall panels and fabric-covered acoustic panels (below). The MDF will be painted but I'm unsure of the color at this time.

This is all I did this weekend for the theater build. I did a real estate photo shoot on Sunday and Christmas shopping on Saturday!

I spy screenshot 30 mins or less......

more pics! more pics! (stomps feet!)
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Push pins are a good tip, thank you!

I was planning to glue the fabric to the can light's metal base and then cut out the hole with a razor knife after the fabric is installed.

I experimented with cutting holes in GOM FR701 glued to MDF with 3m spray adhesive and it was hard to get a decent cut. Keep in mind if you are trying to do long continuous sections of fabric, a single mistake in cutting is going to cost you. I actually think building frames will save time and effort in the long run and will probably give nicer results also. In addition should you ever have to access wiring in one of your can lights due to a problem you will have to remove the glued on fabric and probably have to redo the fabric.


I want some of those wavy mdf panels for my back wall just for decoration - those are really cool.
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I really like the wavy, 3d wall panel idea Jon. As a matter of fact, I actually ran across a company several months ago that sells them. They're pretty proud of them though so I decided to go in another direction. Pretty cool that you'll be able to create them yourself.

Keep up the great work!

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Thanks! Yeah, those things are REALLY expensive if you buy them retail. Just like DIY Home Theater, right?


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I spy screenshot 30 mins or less......

more pics! more pics! (stomps feet!)

Ding ding ding! I rented that movie on Friday night and was just rolling. I LOVE LOVE LOVE heist movies so the combination of a heist movie and Aziz Ansari? Yes. That had to be a winner.

I'll work on pics, man but there's almost ZERO chance of any progress happening downstairs until the new year! I just got an iPhone 4S so maybe I'll feel inclined to share a few quick still shots.


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I experimented with cutting holes in GOM FR701 glued to MDF with 3m spray adhesive and it was hard to get a decent cut. Keep in mind if you are trying to do long continuous sections of fabric, a single mistake in cutting is going to cost you. I actually think building frames will save time and effort in the long run and will probably give nicer results also. In addition should you ever have to access wiring in one of your can lights due to a problem you will have to remove the glued on fabric and probably have to redo the fabric.


I want some of those wavy mdf panels for my back wall just for decoration - those are really cool.

That's some really good advice, thankyou. I think that I'll make the frames after all. I really liked the looks of Jelloslug's solution where he installed MDF inserts over the can lights and then filled the remainder of the space with fabric-covered frames.

If the wavy MDF panels are as easy to cut as I hope they'll be then I have no problem making some for you... it might be a little cost prohibitive to ship to you though! By the way, I'm not intending for them to have any acoustic function. They'll certainly do some high frequency dispersion but I'm not depending on it.

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Since I have everyone's ear I was wondering if you guys could point me towards some DIY subwoofer building resources. I poked my head into the subwoofer forum but that seems like it's 99% retail subs.

I'm of the mindset that I can calculate my room's volume, figure out how much SPL I need, pick a driver, and build a sealed box according to the suggestions from the driver manufacturer. I realize that this is a huge oversimplification of the process but I was hoping you could point me to a tutorial or give me some rules of thumb.
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Subwoofer Questions
Since I have everyone's ear I was wondering if you guys could point me towards some DIY subwoofer building resources. I poked my head into the subwoofer forum but that seems like it's 99% retail subs.

I'm of the mindset that I can calculate my room's volume, figure out how much SPL I need, pick a driver, and build a sealed box according to the suggestions from the driver manufacturer. I realize that this is a huge oversimplification of the process but I was hoping you could point me to a tutorial or give me some rules of thumb.

Brad H. and others have built the THT sub. Tony123 put the Danley DTS-10s together. Of course these are both kits. If you're looking for something from the ground up, I'm afraid I don't know.

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My completely unfounded and unheard recommendation is to check out the DTS-10. I think this is the route I will go, its cool to have the guys at Danley interacting on that thread.
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That exact thing happens a LOT. No worries!


You LOOK like a Dan. I'm just sayin' But it could be your screen name j DAN forth.

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.........I'll work on pics, man but there's almost ZERO chance of any progress happening downstairs until the new year! I just got an iPhone 4S so maybe I'll feel inclined to share a few quick still shots.
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Well, I'm up to around 5 pages in my thread and don't have any "real" theater projects. Just a post a picture of anything you come across. Heck, one of the members here (I'm not naming any names, but I think it was mistaforty) resorted to posting pictures of his brand new, and I would contend unused, wheel barrow.

We don't need progress, we just like pictures!

Edit: And sadly, you will likely be referred to as Dan from now on. It's kinda like a nickname, you don't get to pick. But on the bright side, they could have started calling you something like peckernat! See, Dan is way better!

Dude, are you made of leprechauns? Cause that was awesome!

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Well, I'm up to around 5 pages in my thread and don't have any "real" theater projects. Just a post a picture of anything you come across. Heck, one of the members here (I'm not naming any names, but I think it was mistaforty) resorted to posting pictures of his brand new, and I would contend unused, wheel barrow.

We don't need progress, we just like pictures!

Edit: And sadly, you will likely be referred to as Dan from now on. It's kinda like a nickname, you don't get to pick. But on the bright side, they could have started calling you something like peckernat! See, Dan is way better!

Oh I agree.



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Brad H. and others have built the THT sub. Tony123 put the Danley DTS-10s together. Of course these are both kits. If you're looking for something from the ground up, I'm afraid I don't know.

Cory

I'm not adversed to a kit, for sure. I'll have to look into the THT sub since I was previously unaware of it. I have heard Tony123's sub in person and it certainly gets the job done!

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My completely unfounded and unheard recommendation is to check out the DTS-10. I think this is the route I will go, its cool to have the guys at Danley interacting on that thread.

I wasn't aware that they were active in the thread. Thanks for letting me know!

Sorry for the lack of pics and video, everybody! I've been swamped and accomplished almost nothing since installing the lights!

I'll see about taking some snaps tonight. I was hoping to do it last night but didn't get back from Christmas shopping until 10:30.
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Sorry for the lack of pics and video, everybody! I've been swamped and accomplished almost nothing since installing the lights!
...Christmas shopping until 10:30.

Tell me about it... who knew Christmas was such a time-suck?!
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Tell me about it... who knew Christmas was such a time-suck?!

Yeah... the thing is though that our family REALLY doesn't go nuts. It just seems like we always wind up at the mall for one reason or another. I actually WENT to the mall on Tuesday to buy jeans for my son. (aside: why is it that 7 year olds can't make a pair of jeans last for more than a couple months?!?)

As promised I took a few photos with my new iPhone last night. The camera is certainly the best camera phone I've ever had but it's certainly not what I would call a "good camera"!

I made a 12x12 mockup of the wavy wall. It's DAMNED COOL! Check it:



I also keep adding to my design wall. You can see that I haven't fished the electrical wiring into the wall yet for the new lights. I'm going to fish that in eventually but I'm not in a rush. I'm hoping that Lutron will release a CFL/LED dimmer that's part of their Maestro series so I haven't bought the dimmers I want yet.



I have also been working on painting the soffits (and walls when I get bored). After the suggestions from you fine folks I think I'm going to enclose the sides with fabric-covered frames held on with Velcro.

The paint might not be necessary with my new soffit plan but I figured that I might as well do it to minimize visibility through the soffit fabric. To be honest, I have been busy doing things that are cheap/free lately because I've spent a lot on this project in the past month in buying the LED lights for the ceiling, can light fixtures, wire, etc. I happened to have the gallon of Mouse Ears already...



Again, I apologize for the abysmal cameraphone pics!

I've also been reading up on the Danley DTS-10 and that thing looks like a BEAST! I'm not sure how much the kit costs though... is there any kind of AVS discount? Tony123, you have two, don't you? What kind of amplification do you need to run one of these bad boys?
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That came out really nice! How long did it take for the 1sqf piece to be cut?
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That came out really nice! How long did it take for the 1sqf piece to be cut?

Thanks! It took something like 20 minutes to set up the piece, 5-10 minutes to set up the machine, and 5 minutes to actually cut it.
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Well, you guys asked for more photos so here's a good one! My company installed a 103" plasma in one of the new dorms at Duke. I'm here working on the touchpanel UI right now. Here's me next to this thing taken today. This screen is roughly the size of a queen-sized mattress if you've never seen one in person.

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103" plasma? Check! Crestron control system? Check! Two swiveling access racks loaded with source components? Check!

No wonder Duke tuition is so high!!!

New plan - instead of a front projector in your theater why don't you just use one of those "damaged" 103" inch displays? ;-)
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103" plasma? Check! Crestron control system? Check! Two swiveling access racks loaded with source components? Check!

No wonder Duke tuition is so high!!!

New plan - instead of a front projector in your theater why don't you just use one of those "damaged" 103" inch displays? ;-)

Surprisingly, these things aren't acoustically transparent! Also my screen will be bigger.

I think you'll understand if I refrain from commenting on your other comments.
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I poked my head into the subwoofer forum but that seems like it's 99% retail subs.

I'm of the mindset that I can calculate my room's volume, figure out how much SPL I need, pick a driver, and build a sealed box according to the suggestions from the driver manufacturer. I realize that this is a huge oversimplification of the process but I was hoping you could point me to a tutorial or give me some rules of thumb.

There's actually a separate DIY speakers and subs forum, with some VERY knowledgeable and helpful guys that can help:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=155

As far as resources - the main tools of the trade for subwoofer design seem to be WinISD and HornResp.

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Brad H. and others have built the THT sub. Tony123 put the Danley DTS-10s together. Of course these are both kits. If you're looking for something from the ground up, I'm afraid I don't know.

Cory

I'm very happy with the THT LPs I built - they are high bang for the buck. Each cost about $250-$300 to build, and I'm powering the pair with a modest QSC RMX850 rack power amp (had it already), and EQing with a Behringer FBQ2496 that I bought on eBay for $60. They are inexpensive, high output and don't require a ton of power (vs. sealed) and associated special electrical circuits. The tradeoff is that they drop off in (my) room under about 18 Hz. Oh, and of course they are very big - folded and tapped horns are.

The DTS-10s are also reportedly very nice - they will extend lower than the THT - but they do cost quite a bit more. I think the kits for DTS-10 were only available for a limited time, and that time is up (for now)? The THT you just buy the plan for $15, and build it yourself - no kit.
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Silently following thus build... Looks awesome so far, and I love the videos!

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There's actually a separate DIY speakers and subs forum, with some VERY knowledgeable and helpful guys that can help:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=155

As far as resources - the main tools of the trade for subwoofer design seem to be WinISD and HornResp.

I'm very happy with the THT LPs I built - they are high bang for the buck. Each cost about $250-$300 to build, and I'm powering the pair with a modest QSC RMX850 rack power amp (had it already), and EQing with a Behringer FBQ2496 that I bought on eBay for $60. They are inexpensive, high output and don't require a ton of power (vs. sealed) and associated special electrical circuits. The tradeoff is that they drop off in (my) room under about 18 Hz. Oh, and of course they are very big - folded and tapped horns are.

The DTS-10s are also reportedly very nice - they will extend lower than the THT - but they do cost quite a bit more. I think the kits for DTS-10 were only available for a limited time, and that time is up (for now)? The THT you just buy the plan for $15, and build it yourself - no kit.

That's great advice, thanks! I'll be frequenting that forum now that I know it exists!

I'm looking at the THT site now and WOW! That Tuba HT is gigantic! 36x36x24!!! The LP version could certainly go on the stage behind the screen pointing up... I have a LOT to learn about subs!
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Silently following thus build... Looks awesome so far, and I love the videos!

Thanks! No need to be silent, by the way! Chime in whenever you feel like it and ask questions, make keen observations, etc.
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By the way, everybody, I just put four new tires on my car and bought a shiny present for my wife... it looks like we'll be pushing aside progress for a while longer. :-(
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By the way, everybody, I just put four new tires on my car and bought a shiny present for my wife... it looks like we'll be pushing aside progress for a while longer. :-(


Ah, I feel your pain. I hate it when life gets in the way of a good HT build. I have done the "pay as you go plan" building out my basement so I have been through many cycles of progress and no progress due to financial constraints. When I get to the point where I have to stop the bleeding for a while I usually have several projects that are of little dollar investment but take considerable time investment.

I'm sure with a frugal eye to the family budget you'll be back in construction mode in no time flat!

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I'm looking at the THT site now and WOW! That Tuba HT is gigantic! 36x36x24!!! The LP version could certainly go on the stage behind the screen pointing up... I have a LOT to learn about subs!

Oh also keep in mind that one of the dimensions of the THT (including the LP version) variable (to some degree).
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From the Danley website...
"*New*DTS-10 DIY Kits back by popular demand! From today through September 30, 2011 for only $1,075! To place your order, call us at 877-419-5805 or send us an email to james@danleysoundlabs.com"

Maybe you could still get the kit with a little sweet talk. But as you can see and as Brad mentioned, it's significantly more expensive.

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