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So far it's just been a review. I've asked for a quote to modify my existing plan and provide an ATMOS layout.
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You are correct, I did use DE.

I Unfortunately, the more I learned, the more questions I had. I do wish I'd just contacted Nyal at the beginning, although I didn't actually know he did layouts at the time.
You and I both!

I'll see how things pan out for you............seems customer service ranks high with Nyals.......that would be refreshing.

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So far it's just been a review. I've asked for a quote to modify my existing plan and provide an ATMOS layout.
Fill me in with pm when results are in........I'm looking at Atmos only........not tearing out room again btw!

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.........seems customer service ranks high with Nyals.......
That has certainly been my experience so far. I'm really looking forward to working with him.

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A question for all you MDF assembling pros out there. For my column construction, can I use regular wood glue (Titebond II) and finishing nails to hold my columns together until the glue dries, or do I need to use PL and clamps? I'm using 3/4" MDF and I'm planning to use lap joints.

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A question for all you MDF assembling pros out there. For my column construction, can I use regular wood glue (Titebond II) and finishing nails to hold my columns together until the glue dries, or do I need to use PL and clamps? I'm using 3/4" MDF and I'm planning to use lap joints.
Yes, use Titebond II and finishing nails. A few well-placed clamps will also help if you have 'em.


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What Tim said. +1.

Either will work. Tightbond II is good choice, but it's got a shorter working time. PL is great, probably overkill but it's got a nice long working time and it's thick enough to stay put where you want it. Once either dries it's all good. Whichever you like better. Tightbond can get cleaned with water so that's a big advantage IMO.

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Great! I may need to add a few more clamps to my tool kit. I've only got a couple.

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Great! I may need to add a few more clamps to my tool kit. I've only got a couple.

As always, I appreciate the advice!
Harbor Fright.....cough......Freight has great clamps for $7-8. Don't get the $3-4 version.......no holding power!

Another note, I wished I would have used Titebond III. Longer dry time but dries clear......just a heads up.

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Good tips! I'll grab another bottle of glue. Unfortunately, we don't have a harbor freight nearby or I'd buy a 5 or 6 of them.

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Harbor Fright.....cough......Freight has great clamps for $7-8. Don't get the $3-4 version.......no holding power!

Another note, I wished I would have used Titebond III. Longer dry time but dries clear......just a heads up.
So true !

The grip squeeze style clamps are akin to the lumber at HomeDepot, everything left available is picked through and 80% of the inventory is not good! One out of 5 might have enough holding power to defy gravity for a few minutes but none will be acceptable. The screw kind of clamps that have the sliders that bite into grooved metal are WAY better and worth the $2 more. I learned the hard way.

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Good tips! I'll grab another bottle of glue. Unfortunately, we don't have a harbor freight nearby or I'd buy a 5 or 6 of them.
I have about 30 you can borrow if you need them. Just let me know.
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I have about 30 you can borrow if you need them. Just let me know.

Thanks! We'll see hoe it goes and I'll let you know if I need to borrow them.

How goes your build? Both the house and the theater?

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10 clamps shipped is only $50 ($6 shipping)

What is your zip code ?

http://www.harborfreight.com/24-inch...amp-96213.html

I just threw in 10 of the 24" clamps but you could get bigger or smaller or a few of each whatever you needed. I was just wondering about shipping. Seems like a good deal.

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Thanks! We'll see hoe it goes and I'll let you know if I need to borrow them.

How goes your build? Both the house and the theater?
We moved into the house last weekend. Things are crazy right now trying to get unpacked and little things here and there that have to be done. I was hoping to get started on the theater in the next month or so but there is still so much to do and things to buy for the house. We are glad to be in though.

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10 clamps shipped is only $50 ($6 shipping)
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Those do seem like a good deal! I'll probably need to pick up a few since I'm getting close to starting speaker builds. I hear no matter how many clamps you have, you always end up one short when building speakers.

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We moved into the house last weekend. Things are crazy right now trying to get unpacked and little things here and there that have to be done. I was hoping to get started on the theater in the next month or so but there is still so much to do and things to buy for the house. We are glad to be in though.
Congrats on moving in! Now the work starts Don't worry about that unpacking business, though. We've been in our house for two years now and still haven't finished unpacking. There's no rush

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I had some time last week to work on the theater. I have a lot of updates but I'll spread them out a bet to keep from having one massive post. I'd hate to break the internets with my theater update.

When we last left off, I'd put the first layer of decking on my riser. The first thing I did was put down the next layer of decking. I took everyone's advice and used PL Premium between the layers. Riser seems rock solid now! Not that you can tell much difference, but here's the riser after the second layer of decking.



Next up was putting the second layer on the stage. This one got some Green Glue. I remember when Green Glue was new and wondrous…. Not so much, now



For the stage, I put full sheets and then cut off the extra. I did a pretty good job just free handing with the jigsaw. I ran a flush cut bit down the front afterwards.



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I had some time last week to work on the theater. I have a lot of updates but I'll spread them out a bet to keep from having one massive post. I'd hate to break the internets with my theater update.

When we last left off, I'd put the first layer of decking on my riser. The first thing I did was put down the next layer of decking. I took everyone's advice and used PL Premium between the layers. Riser seems rock solid now! Not that you can tell much difference, but here's the riser after the second layer of decking.



Next up was putting the second layer on the stage. This one got some Green Glue. I remember when Green Glue was new and wondrous…. Not so much, now



For the stage, I put full sheets and then cut off the extra. I did a pretty good job just free handing with the jigsaw. I ran a flush cut bit down the front afterwards.



And here's a little teaser to what came next.


You'll be glad you use plywood rather than OSB in riser and stage. Green Glue.......awe, the memories.......

Looking great.......you need more bonding with room!
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Looking great.......you need more bonding with room!
Well, there was plenty more bonding last week. I'll try to get the rest of the photos up tomorrow nobody around here will believe a thing I say without photos!

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Those do seem like a good deal! I'll probably need to pick up a few since I'm getting close to starting speaker builds. I hear no matter how many clamps you have, you always end up one short when building .
This is true !

I did 3 subs and 4 speakers at same time and bought 10 clamps. If I wanted do it all in one day I would have needed 20 more.

But, the best way to minimize clamps is do it in stages and the next day. I did half one day and second half next day when glue had dried. Also you can use gravity as a clamp. I was stacking piles high MDF , old car batteries, heavy deep socket tool sets, cans of paint etc... Whatever I had around. Metal or liquid works best.

If you can glue up a few sides each night or one speaker at a time you can knock them out over a week time.

The other (better) alternative is scrap the 1/2" kids MDF and move up to 3/4" grown up stuff Aside from 3/4" working better because it's thicker, stronger, more mass etc... It let's you build like a man and not a child. Throw the wood glue and clamps in the trash (joking) and grab the caulk gun with construction adhesive and your 18 gauge brad nailer. Use the brads at permanent clamps. Line up one edge at top and shoot... BOOM!... Line up bottom and shoot ...BOOM!... Hit the middle once or twice ...BOOM... BOOM!..... Done

For half inch and small speakers you can play around with clamps and glue but for big speakers and subwoofers build them like a man, it's much easier.
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I'm loving the pictures and progress !

You can't have too much pictures.
You can't have too much progress!

Can't wait to see the columns!
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What's the present cost on a sheet of MDF?

Reason I'm asking, I have connections to various species of wood products and sometimes deals pop up you can't refuse not to take notice. Always run into someone trying to unload product, blems etc. If your interested in a certain wood species from Pacific Northwest, quite possible I can find huge savings!

For example, all the Knotty Alder in our house was worth $20,000 on open market but found a mill/warehouse shutting down and pickup up and stored trim wood and paid $5,000 for the lot! Sure, pain in butt to store for 6-8 months, but came out like a bandit.

Heck, our Australian Cypress cost me a fraction of retail, like 20%! Once again stock wasn't moving and were discontinuing selling wood imports so I bought all their stock on hand........1600 sf.

Now I'm not a wood products retailer, I just help organize, harvest, sell our families raw saw logs to mills.......but have acquired lots of contacts, friends in business and usually have first hand knowledge of killer deals. Just saying..........and can keep an eye open.

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3/4" MDF was around $30/sheet. I would love to use something like Oak, but it's about $50/sheet here. I was seriously considering going the Oak route despite the cost until I decided on painted trim. Once I decided on black trim, it didn't really make sense to use a hardwood anymore. There would have been a lot of extra finish and trim work just to paint over it.

That said, I'm always working on some project here or there. Once this theater is done I've got a few things to build for my wife, and I'm considering a coffered ceiling in our bedroom. Obviously redwoods and cedars for the outdoor projects. I like oak and cherry, the usual suspects, for indoor stuff. I don't know much about alder, but our house has a bit more modern look so I don't think a knotty wood would fit with the aesthetics of the house, though I do like the look of the wood. The grain in your woodwork looks really nice!

How would shipping to the Southeast work?

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Mfusik, good tips on speaker assembly. I'm trying to work up the nerve to pull the trigger on the surrounds. I'd really like for the Fusion 15 to be available and just do it all at once. I have this nagging concern that Erich is going to get tired of dealing with all the hassle and the DIYSoundgroup is going to close up shop before I get to order the mains. I know that's pretty selfish of me, but there it is

Once I get the speakers I'll start a build thread. I'll need to get measurements of them both on-axis and off, and I'll post those so others can benefit from it. I'll be interested to hear Nyal's impressions of the measurements.

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What's the present cost on a sheet of MDF?

Reason I'm asking, I have connections to various species of wood products and sometimes deals pop up you can't refuse not to take notice. Always run into someone trying to unload product, blems etc. If your interested in a certain wood species from Pacific Northwest, quite possible I can find huge savings!

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Heck, our Australian Cypress cost me a fraction of retail, like 20%! Once again stock wasn't moving and were discontinuing selling wood imports so I bought all their stock on hand........1600 sf.

Now I'm not a wood products retailer, I just help organize, harvest, sell our families raw saw logs to mills.......but have acquired lots of contacts, friends in business and usually have first hand knowledge of killer deals. Just saying..........and can keep an eye open.
35$ a sheet at my local HD. I just bought 10 sheets yesterday and chopped them all up. The dust is brutal! Even outside or with garage door open. Wife wants a temporary closet in basement for laundry and stuff. I should have just used ply... my thinking was MDF glues and paints nicer. But the stuff is heavy and makes a mess.

I'm going to count on you and your advice when my project and remodel gets rolling! I'll need some help with my wood... lol (jokes right themselves right)

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3/4" MDF was around $30/sheet. I would love to use something like Oak, but it's about $50/sheet here. I was seriously considering going the Oak route despite the cost until I decided on painted trim. Once I decided on black trim, it didn't really make sense to use a hardwood anymore. There would have been a lot of extra finish and trim work just to paint over it.

That said, I'm always working on some project here or there. Once this theater is done I've got a few things to build for my wife, and I'm considering a coffered ceiling in our bedroom. Obviously redwoods and cedars for the outdoor projects. I like oak and cherry, the usual suspects, for indoor stuff. I don't know much about alder, but our house has a bit more modern look so I don't think a knotty wood would fit with the aesthetics of the house, though I do like the look of the wood. The grain in your woodwork looks really nice!

How would shipping to the Southeast work?
I tend to like rustic wood............Knotty Alder isn't for everyone.

Clear Alder can look like Cherry......hemlock, Douglas Fir, White Oak, Popular, Maple......sometimes Redwood, but most Redwood comes from Humboult County, California are readily available. Shipping on pallet most likely..........we do most of our shipping via log truck.

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35$ a sheet at my local HD. I just bought 10 sheets yesterday and chopped them all up. The dust is brutal! Even outside or with garage door open. Wife wants a temporary closet in basement for laundry and stuff. I should have just used ply... my thinking was MDF glues and paints nicer. But the stuff is heavy and makes a mess.
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I know I sound like a broken record, but that track saw is awesome! I hooked up my shopvac to that thing and there was barely any dust left after each cut. I forgot to turn on the vac once or twice and it made a HUGE mess. So yeah, I'm loving that track saw!

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I tend to like rustic wood............Knotty Alder isn't for everyone.

Clear Alder can look like Cherry......hemlock, Douglas Fir, White Oak, Popular, Maple......sometimes Redwood, but most Redwood comes from Humboult County, California are readily available. Shipping on pallet most likely..........we do most of our shipping via log truck.
How big of an order would it take to make something like this worth while? Finding stain grade wood around here is tough if you're not willing to pay an arm and a leg. I had to buy some cherry for a rocking horse I built my son, and I had a devil of a time finding any. I finally found one of the local cabinet shops willing to sell me what I needed. Rocking horse looks awesome, BTW

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