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KBlaw2010's Avatar KBlaw2010
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So, I have officially embarked on my maiden HT voyage. My wife and I are building a new house in Texas. We allotted a 20’ x 24’ room for a media room in the original plans. As you can probably tell from the title of this thread, I eventually hired Dennis Erskine to design my room. Smartest damn thing I have ever done!

Flashback—This is not my first post on the Forum; it is the second. The first was back in the fall when I asked for advice on how to spend my equipment budget. After all, that is what any good newbie needs right? Just some expensive gear with no idea how to use it?

I was shocked that the majority of responses “politely” informed me that I was an idiot for looking at equipment before examining the room itself. OK, so I was an idiot (perhaps still am), but I was smart enough to know that I needed help. So, I contacted Dennis. And I highly encourage anyone thinking about building, remodeling, or designing a room to do the same.

His design is awesome. But working with Dennis is even awesomer. Despite working with people who know much more than me and others that have much, much more money, Dennis still takes the time to tailor the project to my individual thoughts, needs, and budget constraints. Hopefully, he will continue to hold my hand through the process, and my 10 emails to him per week will not wear out my welcome.

Here is what we started with:



Here is what Dennis designed:



So far, we have the exterior walls of the room framed and the plumbing and HVAC roughed into the space. The plan is to use clips and channels and attach two layers of 5/8” drywall with GG in between. Ted White’s products and literature have been extremely helpful. I have read them so many times in an effort to understand them that I feel like I could recite the entire Green Glue instructions manual by heart. Once the isolation shell is built, the interior walls, risers, and drop ceiling will be framed.

Here are some pics of current status:

Entry from Living Room:


Screen Wall:


Right and Left Walls:



Back Wall:


I have not made official selections on equipment just yet. I would love to hear suggestions and thoughts. The only thing I have locked in is a Procella speaker system.

So that’s it for now. I will post updates and more pics as I have them. Electrical is beginning this week and low voltage wiring should come shortly thereafter.

 

Barber_Residence_media_oct17_2010_revised.pdf 43.20703125k . file
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SierraMikeBravo's Avatar SierraMikeBravo
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Looks awesome!
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personally i would base everything 230v 20amps. for lights low voltage is fine, sub panel for electrical, a comms panel for network use, pending on speaker budget and speaker setup I.E. 71.x-11.x, room height...

amps, emo 7-11x upa-1's or xpa/xpr-1's, or 5-7 xpa/xpr-2's double if you wish to go with a double speaker speaker setup per channel ...

I like the idea of a hidden pj behind a wall where possible..

dunno the size of your dvd/brd/hd-dvd collections are, though if it's anything like mine, i'd budget for a min of 10x 400 disc players, yes i know oppo's are nice on features though capacity is something they lack..

processors, denon avp, onkyo 5509, marantz 8005, wouldn't bother with it's 7005 cousin it ads hdmi 1.4 though looses plugin options, or test the high end avr from yamaha z-11 or pioneers flagship model...

pj's budget for the 4-8k resolution models..

your budget will reflect on how anal you want to be in equipment...
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Just wondering how your getting 27'-4" outside dimensions from 24' internal dimensions.

But I agree, those are great looking plans.
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Tidy - love the splayed walls
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Ok. Play time is over. Get a photobucket account (see link in sig).

Very interesting design.
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Originally Posted by KBlaw2010 View Post

As you can probably tell from the title of this thread, I eventually hired Dennis Erskine to design my room. Smartest damn thing I have ever done!

I do not think truer words have been posted to this forum! Congrats and good luck!
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I really like the staggered side walls, and the 'entryway'.

Will you be able to use the rack source equipment in other areas of the home? Might be something to discuss. Don't know what Dennis usually suggests, and I'd love to hear his thoughts. Maybe he could start offering whole-home prewiring design, in addition to HT. Dennis, you've got the necessary software tools.
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I eventually hired Dennis Erskine to design my room. Smartest damn thing I have ever done!

Seems to be the consensus. I was sure glad I did back in 1999
Dennis Erskine's Avatar Dennis Erskine
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Maybe he could start offering whole-home prewiring design, in addition to HT

I asked him this very question...the answer was yes for A/V distribution, automation systems, energy monitoring, lighting control, and he said something about secure home networks. I think he's nuts; but, it is what it is.
Art Sonneborn's Avatar Art Sonneborn
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Very cool looking design !

Art
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Speaking of Erskine Masterpieces...
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Congrats on the nice design. So many individuals are so happy with Dennis' work, he's obviously skilled in many facets.


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The only thing I have locked in is a Procella speaker system

And that may be the second smartest damn thing you've ever done!

In my opinion, I see too many builds, nice builds, using inadequate mains. Compression drivers mated with constant directivity waveguides, in a properly optimized design, are a fundamentally sound platform for high performance HT mains. Are you considering Procella for LF/subs as well?


Good luck
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Originally Posted by Dennis Erskine View Post

I asked him this very question...the answer was yes for A/V distribution, automation systems, energy monitoring, lighting control, and he said something about secure home networks. I think he's nuts; but, it is what it is.

So, is your company now offering whole-home prewiring design, in addition to theater design?

Over in the AV Distribution subforum, many people come looking for help with this.
Dennis Erskine's Avatar Dennis Erskine
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Been doing it for years. Nothing new.
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Hope to see you at the AV Distribution subforum soon, Dennis. Spec'ing conduit, for display locations? What size? Empty?
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Just wondering how your getting 27'-4" outside dimensions from 24' internal dimensions.

Well, when we started, the room was 24' x 20'. I gave Dennis full editorial discretion, and after he and the architect went to work on the entry design, they decided they needed a little more space to make everything work. The wife objected a little. I did not.
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Ok. Play time is over. Get a photobucket account (see link in sig).

Thanks for the help. Learning as I go.
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Are you considering Procella for LF/subs as well?

I think the current forcast is for:

3 Procella P815's for the LCR.
6 Procella P6's for surrounds.
2 Procella P10 subs.
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I think the current forcast is for:

3 Procella P815's for the LCR.
6 Procella P6's for surrounds.
2 Procella P10 subs.

Your mains will have 8" mids, and 15" woofs, properly optimized, they will likely be superb. But, your subs will consist of (2) double 10"s?
This Procella gear is very high quality. However, in my experience, you are definitely under spec'd wrt subs.

Thanks
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UPDATE:

Wiring, plumbing, etc. for the past several weeks. Hope to pass inspections this week and start insulation and drywall. Will probably drywall the HT last in the house.

HT is now prewired for electrical, lighting, and AV. I have about half of the isolation clips installed. I installed the lower ones myself to make sure the stagger was correct. I am going to have the drywall crew install the rest on the upper walls and the ceiling (after proper instructions).

Here are some current pictures:

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I plan to take a day (or two) off work to help/supervise the DD & GG process. It should be an adventure. Ted, make sure you have your cell phone turned on this week!
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What a fantastic size theater!!

I see a template for clip spacing in your photos, I dont recall seeing this on the forum before.

Ive never worked with clips and channel before, so this is a curiosity question.. Do you anticipate any problems with installing hat channel & 5/8 dw around the ~ 4' radii into the tangent on the room side of the stairwell? Or is the arc big enough the channel will conform ?

I guess if it becomes an issue you could always frame a little dead space in the very corner if you can afford to give up a few inches in there.

Looking forward to watching this build..

Brad
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Love the layout! Looking forward to you progression.
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What impresses me the most?
Look at how clean and organized the contractor keeps the job site.
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I see a template for clip spacing in your photos, I dont recall seeing this on the forum before.

Ive never worked with clips and channel before, so this is a curiosity question.. Do you anticipate any problems with installing hat channel & 5/8 dw around the ~ 4' radii into the tangent on the room side of the stairwell? Or is the arc big enough the channel will conform ?

I made a template jig for the clips. Pretty simple--just a board with clip-sized rectangles cut out every 24". It has guides that fit over the studs and then rests on the ground. Another way to do it is to just snap chalk lines horizontally every 24", but the jig worked for me.

On the radius wall, the furring channels will run vertically up the studs rather than horizontally. The clips are made to pivot for this application. We will then use 4 layers of 1/4 drywall on that section to bend around the curve.
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On the radius wall, the furring channels will run vertically up the studs rather than horizontally. The clips are made to pivot for this application. We will then use 4 layers of 1/4 drywall on that section to bend around the curve.
"I See"... Said the blind man.

After looking at literally 1000's of posts with clips being installed, it had never registered that the clips could be rotated in their mounts.. (as clearly shown in your pics)
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Trying to stay ahead of the game, I bought the two doors that will lead to the theater and did a little DIY soundproofing this week. The doors are cheap ($62), Solid Core slabs from Lowes. They measure 80" x 36". I added 1/4 inch MDF to each side with GG in between. I will be using Zero sealing hardware from Ted White when the doors are installed. Ted suggested using thicker MDF to help soundproofing, but since I had already bought and transported the 1/4 inch material, I took the lazy route and went with that. I am hoping that the fact that there are two sequential doors will do enough to deaden the sound to make up for my corner cutting.

The first entrance door will be veneered with Sapele wood and possibly some decorative moldings. The second door will eventually be fabric covered to match the interior of the theater room. Here are some pics of the process:





Sapele:







The HT itself is being insulated this week and we should start DD & GG next week. More pics to come soon!
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Subscribed. And those Procella speakers are ridiculous. 145lbs each...
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Progress has been a little slower than expected. The record hot weather in Texas has had many of our subcontractors falling behind in the house. But I am hopeful that we will get the channels up in the media room this week. After that, the first layer of OSB on the ceiling and 5/8" sheetrock on the walls. Then, bring on the Green Glue party!

Here are the 25ga channels that we will use.


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Here are some cell phone photos of the R19 insulation that got put in the walls last week. In the exterior walls of the home, we also put 1.5" of foam underneath the batts for thermal insulation.





While the subcontractors are delayed, I have been trying to keep busy with other projects. Here is where I am on one of the theater doors. I added some moldings, painted them black and added some textured resin panels to the center for looks. I still need to put another coat of paint on it, but you get the idea.






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Handsome doors. I'm sure your theatre will be a stunner.

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