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AMAZING!! - Enough said.

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Love the detailed write-ups. It's great to see an idea go from paper to near completion in a few short pictures. Plus it helps us steal, I mean borrow, all of your ideas.
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COLUMN BUILDING DETAILS

Recalling an earlier post the columns were inspired by Sandman's original round columns. So the question was without buying half round plywood forms like Ruben, what could we do to create some roundness and strong horizontal lines like Ruben's grooves.

Here is the idea Damelon and I came up with: [[SNIP]]

Now I need to fill the nail holes, do some wood putty work, sand, seal, sand, prime and paint.

Truly awesome. The idea was great, and it looks as though you figured out a way to make it work, and it looks not just awesome but highly professional. Details like this are the kind of thing that you might see in a multi-million-dollar 10000+ square foot house...

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Thanks CNWDI, I'm going to ask Damelon for a raise!
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Thanks CNWDI, I'm going to ask Damelon for a raise!

You could ask... but I think you would end up forcing me to just do the work myself! Looked out and saw it raining this morning and thought... I should work in the theater! But I had meetings at work and had to go.
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They are going to be black but first a coat of primer. I will do another coat turning the swivels the opposite direction. I'm under the deck in case it starts to rain again. Hmm, I see a spot I missed. Mosquitoes STAY AWAY DO NOT LAND HERE!

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Mmmm spray paint!

My brain is stuck on fabric panel mode already. I'm doing measurements for panel sizes and trim.... thinking about baseboard, chair rail, etc.

All of the wall treatments might have arrived but can't do a lot of that work until the door is in and the columns have moved forward. Prelim scheduling is to do column putty & sanding as well as the soffit bottom panels on Thursday. Maybe we will drill the holes for the recessed lights too.
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Yes let there be light! Hey if you get bored you could start cutting the triangular bits for the corner bass traps. Install the step lights. Assemble your rack so we can get the exact measurements and figure how we are going to pop it into the wall, attach and support. Just some ideas.
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Yes let there be light! Hey if you get bored you could start cutting the triangular bits for the corner bass traps. Install the step lights. Assemble your rack so we can get the exact measurements and figure how we are going to pop it into the wall, attach and support. Just some ideas.

I can't assemble the rack yet... it is still on the way. I have some of the OC703, but not enough to do the bass traps. The rest will arrive this week sometime. So there is really nothing I can do yet.

I did spend some time trying to figure out exactly where the top of the center wall panels will be, to help determine if I want to do trim between the top black wall panels and the middle red panels. I am thinking more like a 2" trim, but the exact height will be determined by the door casing I think. We'll either have to line it up with the top of the door or have the top of the door panel extend over the door a couple of inches. Since it is above I dont think that is a problem. I don't want to make an extra seam in the panels now that we are moving the door to fix the panel space exactly.

I never mentioned that here! There is 7' between the two columns on the side wall. So we will make 3 panels of equal width, 2'4" each. We initially had a space for a 32" door, but it was also very close to the side rear column in the room. So we decided to move it. Shrink it to a 28" door so that it matches a panel size, and move it horizontally so it it directly in between the two columns. The two adjacent panels will overlap the casing of the door to be all equal sizes.
The door is 1 3/4" thick, and we have a 1" wall treatment. So I purchased extra-wide hinges which are 1" longer on each side of an unfolded hinge. The hinge is wider so that the pivot point starts 1" into the room (or in other words, where the fabric panels extend to) and that will prevent it from rubbing/sticking.

I also purchased a door handle from doorknobdiscountcenter.com (Thank you BIG) which you can get Emtek door knobs/handles with custom width door kits. So we "pretend" the door is actually 2 3/4" thick (the 1" panel plus the 1 3/4" door) and will put 1" blocking on the door, that way the handle can be mounted directly to the outside of the panel in the room!

EDIT: Tons of typos and bad wording fixed in the above wall of text.
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I never mentioned that here! There is 7' between the two columns on the side wall. So we will make 3 panels of equal width, 2'4" each. We initially had a space for a 32" door, but i was also started very close to the side rear panel in the room. So we decided to move it. Shrink it to a 28" door so that it matches a panel size. And the two adjacent panels will overlap the casing.

The door is 1 3/4" thick, and we have a 1" wall treatment. So I purchased extra-wide hinges which are 1" longer on each side of an unfolded hinge. The hinge is wider so that the pivot point starts 1" into the room (or in other words, where the fabric panels extend to) and that will prevent it from rubbing/sticking.

I also purchased a door handle from doorknobdiscountcenter.com (Thank you BIG) which you can get Emtek door knobs/handles with custom width door kits. So we "pretend" the door is actually 2 3/4" thick (the 1" panel plus the 1 3/4" door) and will put 1" blocking on the door, that way the handle can be mounted directly to the outside of the panel in the room!

Sweet! Amazing what you can accomplish with a little planning and help from the 'BIG' man...

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Lets see, this morning I had to sit in a waiting room so I could drive my Wife home from a colonoscopy and this afternoon sitting around watching paint dry.



Not a lot of excitement in this thread. Come back tomorrow as we make the fabric frames for the bottom of the soffit. We are going to do something you've never seen before.
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Not a lot of excitement? Are you kidding. You need to slow down - your putting the rest of us to shame.
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If I had to just guess I'd say that's another picture of primer since it looks almost identical to the first picture. But in the last email you sent me you said "2nd coat of black"... those don't look very black! Is that just bad lighting, or the wrong pic... OR neither??
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It's the paint you bought! It is just the lighting that makes it look gray, what you see is a reflection of the overcast sky.
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It's the paint you bought! It is just the lighting that makes it look gray

I know but I get worried when something says BLACK, shows a nice black bar for the color next to the word BLACK, and then I think it looks silver/gray in a pic. As it is another gorgeous day outside (NOT) I can see how the lighting is bad.
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Big do you even need to paint those with black paint? The black primer looks like it would be enough on its own.

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Big do you even need to paint those with black paint? The black primer looks like it would be enough on its own.

It is just that the lighting was bad in the photos. The primer is/was a silver gray color, and the black was actually black. But in his photos they look almost the same. They definitely turned out black! I spent the entire day wiring up those little recessed lights. That little "gang box" on the top of the light can is like 1.5" x 1.5" x 1.5". It is not easy to feed in two 12 gauge romex pulls, twist them to the light cans and get them all stuffed in that little box. Black lights look great against the red light tray. I'm sure we will get some pictures soon.

Someone asked about heat. The bulbs are hot, but most bulbs are... I could touch the top of the recessed light cans over the light tray and there was no trace of heat. Maybe I'd need to run them a few hours but only the bulb faces were hot. The light is excellent from these little things!

BIG brought a pig tail (A plug cord with bare wires) so we could test the lights, but it is some weird asian cord which has black blue and green wires. Our first attempted was a brown-out breaker trip and our second attempt just went ZAP/BANG and we decided to give up on the pig tail experiment and wire it to the circuits I already had pre-wired for the lighting. That worked perfectly.

Bass traps are cut and sitting in the front corners. Just a stack of triangular OC703.... but just that in the room eliminated about 80% of the echo. Going to be creepy-dead once all the walls are treated.

BIG has been slaving all day with the wood putty and orbital sander on the columns. He is determined to finish his sanding before going home. Heading back down, picture updates soon!
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I see how this build is going, Damelon upstairs surfing the web, chatting on forums and who knows what else. Probably drinking a few adult beverages too all awhile Big Is downstairs slaving in the HT.

Gotta love it..

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Big, what is the going rate for an elite HT specialist workhorse like yourself?
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Big, what is the going rate for an elite HT specialist workhorse like yourself?

And do you travel to Ohio?

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To get big to travel I think you would have to get him lodging to stay and work non-stop... and give him food! He doesn't work FOR food though. And he said earlier that if you needed his tools he would be required to drive.

Two columns left to sand... couldn't quite finish today. Resuming on Saturday.

I decided to finish all of the HT's wiring for lights. In addition to the side/rear light tray lights I mentioned earlier, the 4 stage recessed lights are now done as are the two step lights. I think I have like 4 blisters (first finger and thumb on each hand) from twisting those stupid wire terminators.

Plans for Saturday:

Polish help returns to move the entrance door to the theater. I think it is moving 15" closer to the front of the room. That will involve partial demolition of a wall, and then building the space in, drywall (double with green glue) and mud.... AGAIN. My wife surprisingly did not complain when I told her. We're also shrinking the door size from 32" to 28".

Finish sanding the columns, then sealing them and re-sanding them.

The rack arrived, so we will build a casing for it that will extend into the rear of the room 4" to match where the wall treatments will be, and will go back to be flush with the inside wall of the equipment room. We will have to build a small platform behind that to rest the remainder of the rack on.

Finish electrical wiring for outlets in the electrical room and possibly the overhead light there.

Build the underside soffit panels. BIG got a great deal on some higher quality plywood from Home Depot but mis-measured and cut it too short. Fortunately it looks like we can hide the 3/4" gap behind the wall treaments, which are 1" deep. So once the wall treatments are up, the gap should be invisible. We did a dry-fit of the piece of plywood and it appears that it should work, but we will have to triple measure to make sure.
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If not a simple fix would be quarter round trim or similar should do the job too.

Why the change in door location and size?

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If we can work out the logistics, yes.
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If we can work out the logistics, yes.

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If not a simple fix would be quarter round trim or similar should do the job too.

Why the change in door location and size?

We don't want to put trim over the fabric panels... it would look a little strange. And that is also a lot more painting/cutting, etc that we don't need to do.

As for the door, there is 7' between the two side columns. We want the wall to be solid fabric.. and we didn't want to see the door. The door opening is very close to the rear side column right now... like 6" away. It was going to be very tight to fit the light switches there AND have room for the fabric frame.

7' divides into 3 panels that are 2' 4" each. If we made the door 28" (2' 4") and moved it, it could be hidden directly behind the center panel. It would also give us about a foot and a half extra space for our 4 light dimmers. Since the door will fit a panel exactly, we will not have to make extra irregular shaped panels that would not be even with the design to the rest of the room. (The room design have several references to the number 3, so there are 3 of a lot of things... it's sort of the theme)

Examples of 3:
3 tiers to the light tray
3 red horizontal panels between each column side-by-side
3 sets of moulding (1 baseboard, 1 chair, 1 above the panels above that)
3 sets of trim/ribbing on the columns above and below the speaker grille
3 vertical divisions of the black fabric panel below the chair rail moulding

See sketch below (Look to the right of the column... sort of the panel layout... though there is another set of trim stenciled in at the top of the wall that will not be there in the finished room.
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I see lots of planning on this build and it's definitely paying off. Can't wait till the final product is completed.

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Some pictures of the day. Didn't get everything done that we hoped, but we always set our goals high.

The first order of the day was to measure, mark and cut the 15 holes for the 3 inch recessed lights in the light tray.



Then Damelon wired them up while I filled all the nail holes in the columns and sanded getting ready for finishing.

These shots are just with the perimeter light tray lights. check out the bass traps Damelon cut and stacked.





I talked him into popping in the step lights.

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Spectacular as always BIG!

It's obvious you've done your homework damelon. VERY nice build thus far.
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