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Long awaited photos:

Here is BIG measuring the plywood we put up for our first layer of drywall, along with cutting the holes in it for the conduit and electrical box plus installation:






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Green glue, Finished ceiling area where the plywood was covered by layer #2 of drywall, and some random finished drywall shots:





Cutting the supply hole for the HVAC, then completed rear area:






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Begin saturday work! Here is some pics of our lumber for riser/stage!



Riser: Under construction




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I bet someone HAS or WILL. Wavy red and white to look like bacon? With posters of bacon? An animated frying bacon screensaver... endless possibilities!

Here were my GF's ideas on the matter yesterday.
-She suggested a pig/bacon theme
-Name: "Masterporcine Theater" (I deemed it a good working title)
-Play the six degrees of (not kevin) bacon where we connect actors having eaten bacon together in movies
-Serve bacon popcorn and maple bacon caramel corn and redhead bacon peanuts
-Bacon washed bourbon and vodka cocktails

If it was done well, I suspect that Anthony Bourdain might come visit such a thing.
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BIG's post from above with images:

What a day, I broke the rear window in my pickup and Damelon broke his camera, Somehow in the middle we made some progress.

First we had some plans.

Riser



Stage



So we hopped into my 20 year old pickup (80K miles) and went to Lowe's

There on aisle 17 we picked up a stage and riser.

If filled 3 carts, Damelon up in front I'm pushing from the back. At this point I was thinking "Some Assembly may be required". If you look closely you will notice we were able to buy 3/8 inch pre-curved plywood stage fronts, this saves a lot of time trying to curve then yourself.



It fits!


I need to document that our trip to Lowe's took 3 hours, I think we were having wood cut for 2 of the 3 hours. Then there was the KFC drive thru window where we picked up some sandwiches.

We got a good portion of the riser cut and assembled



We got the stage framed









During the cleanup of the room at the end of the day I decided to finally try one of the tricks of pulling cable in a conduit



Tied a 7-11 bag on some nylon cord, one of the helpers held the vacuum hose to the projector conduit and I positioned the bag at the other end and before I could say "here it comes", the vacuum ate the bag and string.



Tomorrow we hope to get the decking on. That all depends on how fast Damelon can haul sand.


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Poor Peter, ended up with his picture on the internet tangled in string and hoses.

I ran the "idea" of a bacon themed room to by my wife. She didn't even laugh, just said.. Yeeeaaah, No. I will go the normal design route and just eat some bacon in it instead.

And as to me hauling sand. BIG likes to think of it as a Rite of passage. Why is it the one day where my helpers aren't there happens to be the same day where there is 4,000 lbs of sand to haul. WHY, I say! I'm still tired.

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From BIG's post above (With pictures) :

A little bit of pictures from Sunday

First we finished framing in the steps for the riser, adding the electrical boxes, and pulling in the wiring.

First the left. We used adjustable depth boxes because they mount easily to the front of the 2x12s and they can be adjusted for the final depth of the carpet. Did run short of lumber and had to improvise with some spacers.



One on the right



Then put an outlet on the front of the riser for either powered seats or electronic gear. We also ran a 1 1/2 inch conduit from the front of the riser to the equipment room. Damelon expects to use His Laptop and other gear on the sofa and wants a hard wired connection to his network. Notice we didn't center it up but rather put to one side where it will be easier to reach behind the seating and plug something in.



Then while Damelon was hauling the good stuff, I was stuffing the riser with fiberglass. As my Mom used to say, as snug as a bug in a rug.



We also got the two layers of 3/4 inch plywood sheathing on top, first layer 100% screwed down, second is in progress, pictures of that will come later when I cut the lip. We did put some 30 lb roofing felt between layers.


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As for all the complaing about sand I don't see the problem, it worked just fine for me.


Boo, Sir! I say, BOO!

I'm going to wait until the riser is 100% finished before I tell everyone to shorten it by half of a foot. Muahaha

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Damelon,

In another thread discussing soundproofing cost, BIG suggested we ask you via PM. If you do not mind, do you care to share your break down of soundproofing cost with us on here. (If not, PM would work but thought others might be interested too)

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I'm going to wait until the riser is 100% finished before I tell everyone to shorten it by half of a foot.

Extortion! Hey, It will go quicker the second time around. It would actually be easier to move the door over 6 inches.
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What is the pvc looking pipe sticking out of the ceiling used for? future cables?

How are you guys mounting the projector?

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What is the pvc looking pipe sticking out of the ceiling used for? future cables?

How are you guys mounting the projector?

It is gray PVC electrical conduit for the HDMI and other signal cables. It will get covered with a gang cable cover plate.

Whatever we end up using to mount the projector will be attached to the drywall and plywood on the ceiling.
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I always thought the point of the pvc and conduit was to allow for future expansion and upgrades. What is the benefit to using it right now rather than just running the HDMI and other cables right through the joists and stapling them like you would romex? Does it provide some protection from signal interference?

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That is one school of thought. We used BA 2 inch conduit and there is no reason to leave it wide open for future upgrades. The initial set-up HDMI cables are right where they should be during construction, sealed in their plastic bags sitting outside the construction zone.

If you run that puny 1 inch conduit to speaker locations there is some logic to running your lines outside the conduit and keeping the conduit for the future.
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I'm slow but I think I get what you are saying now. You have the conduit in place now, but you are holding off on running the HDMI through it until after the room is completed, that way you don't get dust and stuff in the connectors and ruin the cable?

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Looking great guys! And coming along really fast too!

Just a quick question: the underlayment for the stage and riser...are you using standard 30lb. roofing felt for both?

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Just a quick question: the underlayment for the stage and riser...are you using standard 30lb. roofing felt for both?

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Damelon,

In another thread discussing soundproofing cost, BIG suggested we ask you via PM. If you do not mind, do you care to share your break down of soundproofing cost with us on here. (If not, PM would work but thought others might be interested too)

Thanks

Ok here are some of my soundproofing costs. Keep in mind, things like the clips were based off of my Ceiling Joist widths (Which I believe were like 19.5") and things like glue, etc. based off of my wall sqft. (See initial post for dimensions) AND dont forget my equipment room (7'6" x 7'1") is also decoupled so also was clipped & Glued.


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Green Glue (5 Gallon Pails) x 4 @ $198 each = $792. (This was right on the money for what we needed)
Acoustical Caulk (16 Tubes) = $100 (I only used 8 or 9)
Whisper-Clips x 140 @ $3.98 ea = $557.20 (I had 49 left over.... but we did order extra just in case because they would take any returns @ no restock fee)

From Capitol Building Supply in Manassas, VA
Drywall 4' x 9' @ 5/8" thick - 74 sheets = $666 (I think we were 1 sheet short) So great estimate there
R13 Insulation (All walls) (6 Bags) - $287.11
R19 Insulation (Ceiling) (2 Bags) - $168 (I was short 1 Bag)

From Bryan Pape
DC04 Clips @ $4.79 ea x 81 = $387.99 (I had 24 extra)

So clips and caulk were all over-estimated, but for both clips that varied based on where my joists were and how we spaced them while still following load specs for the mass required.

By the way my latest run to Lowes for all materials required for the Stage and Riser (Plywood, Lumber, Insulation, Gang Boxes, Sand, Plastic AND delivery) was about $1,068.58. I had to also get an additional bag of R38 for the riser (I had purchased 2 @ 16ft wide) and they were too short so that was an additional $45.97. The conduit cost Jeff $1.52 since they scanned it as a bottle of water.
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Yes

Although we also did put foam-on-a-roll around the outsides of both between the wall and the wooden structures.
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By the way here is my latest terrible hand-drawn sketch of the movie room, complete with most dimensions. Feel free to make a much prettier one for me someone.

Things are NOT drawn to scale. For instance my columns are 10" deep, which is the same width as the square front sections as the stage, but I drew them half of the size as you can see. Soffit is 16" wide, 12" tall on sides and back. It will also run width-wise across the top of the screen wall and all the way to the front wall of the theater (2' 4" deep) but the light box will be mounted on the front side of the soffit above the screen wall.

Stage we used 2x10s for the main bones and it will be covered with 2 x 3/4" plywood.
Riser we used 2x12s. Same plywood. We are only putting 1 3/4" ply piece on the riser steps. All rear speaker columns will rest on the riser.

Door opening is 34" wide for a 32" door.

Walls will all be fabric. They will either ALL use 2" treatments, or the back will use 2" treatments and the sides 1". Waiting for Bryan Pape to validate that.

 

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By the way here is my latest terrible hand-drawn sketch of the movie room, complete with most dimensions. Feel free to make a much prettier one for me someone.

Things are NOT drawn to scale. For instance my columns are 10" deep, which is the same width as the square front sections as the stage, but I drew them half of the size as you can see. Soffit is 16" wide, 12" tall on sides and back. It will also run width-wise across the top of the screen wall and all the way to the front wall of the theater (2' 4" deep) but the light box will be mounted on the front side of the soffit above the screen wall.

Stage we used 2x10s for the main bones and it will be covered with 2 x 3/4" plywood.
Riser we used 2x12s. Same plywood. We are only putting 1 3/4" ply piece on the riser steps. All rear speaker columns will rest on the riser.

Door opening is 34" wide for a 32" door.

Walls will all be fabric. They will either ALL use 2" treatments, or the back will use 2" treatments and the sides 1". Waiting for Bryan Pape to validate that.
Thanks for the information. This is a very detailed build thread and I'm sure multiple people will really appreciate all the hard work being put into the build and thread itself. The information and pictures help us first timers/wanna builders out a lot.

Thanks again....!

Now just send yourself and BIG up I-77 to Ohio to finish my basement for me too.....

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Although we also did put foam-on-a-roll around the outsides of both between the wall and the wooden structures.
Forgot I had a picture of this, These were the pieces cut for the stage before assembly. Damelon tacked on the foam

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What is your take on the green treated lumber for the stage and riser? It doesn't look like you are using it. I don't know the cost difference between green and non green, is it significant?

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What is your take on the green treated lumber for the stage and riser? It doesn't look like you are using it. I don't know the cost difference between green and non green, is it significant?

Cost difference is very small. Since you asked the same question about the walls, you should know my answer is the same. If you want to do everything by the book as far as basement construction goes, you should use it since it is built against the slab. My walls had a thin layer of foam under them and my stage/riser has felt. Since I won't ever really get major flooding, I just didn't care.

Here is the image (Of me tacking on the foam) from BIG's previous post:


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Heh, sorry! I start framing next week, I spent all of yesterday watching old episodes of Homes on Holmes and it has me paranoid. (Vapor barriers, slab condensation, etc.)

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Heh, sorry! I start framing next week, I spent all of yesterday watching old episodes of Homes on Holmes and it has me paranoid. (Vapor barriers, slab condensation, etc.)
Yeah it can easily make you paranoid. To be honest, if you haven't started yet, go ahead and just buy the pressure-treated lumber for anything that goes against your slab. It's less important on the riser/stage as they aren't normally part of a pre-drywall inspection. It's even more important the older you home is, or if you don't have a walk-out basement. Those tend to be more prone to flooding.

Vapor barriers are pretty important to make sure to do. Just make sure that you don't have a double-barrier. (IE: I had plastic vapor barrier against my concrete walls, and so we didn't use faced insulation on my stud wall inside of that)

Then there's fire-stopping. If you do a double-studded wall, you want to decouple your walls, but you can't just go hammer drywall across the tops of the two walls for fire-stopping or you just re-coupled the walls! So you would technically need to fill the top gap space with Roxul if you plan to get it inspected. Or you can use another kind of wall!
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IMHO opinion using PT lumber for a stage and riser in a historically dry basement is a waste of toxic chemicals.
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Sand in the stage will be done today. Have BIG penciled in to come finish the stage and riser plywood cutting and routing tomorrow.

Next will be the soffit. I've got to get my linear grilles ordered for the hvac ducting.

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Well today we made it purty. I met with Damelon in the AM and he went to work, When he got back I was just cleaning up and he manned the vacuum.

Riser, When I left Damelon's on Sunday the first layer of decking had been screwed down, a layer of roofing felt and the second layer was just tacked down on the front edge. So I finished screwing the second layer then cut the 1 1/2 inch lip. I also rounded over the edge with a router to make the carpet wrap better. Since a decision was made to go with a single layer step I added a 2x2 extension lip so the step edge will match all the others in the theater.

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Yes Damelon is planning the next steps, those blue tape marks are tentative column locations.






OK, now the other side of the room

Earlier this week Damelon had a helper fill all the tall sections of the stage with sand. Each section lined with 3mil plastic. Here is how it looked this AM.





I added a layer of 3/4 plywood and roofing felt.



Then another layer of 3/4. Then I scribed the curve and straight cuts and went after it. It was at this point the the stars lined up and when I finished cutting away the excess, it fell down and fit the first step perfectly. I actually stared at it a minute because I thought I was going to start from scratch cutting wood for the step. Instead I could use what fell into place with just an additional piece in the middle.

What fell on the right



On the left



Before I buttoned it up I stuffed the cavities



GOT STAGE!


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Well today we made it purty. I met with Damelon in the AM and he went to work, When he got back I was just cleaning up and he manned the vacuum.

Riser, When I left Damelon's on Sunday the first layer of decking had been screwed down, a layer of roofing felt and the second layer was just tacked down on the front edge. So I finished screwing the second layer then cut the 1 1/2 inch lip. I also rounded over the edge with a router to make the carpet wrap better. Since a decision was made to go with a single layer step I added a 2x2 extension lip so the step edge will match all the others in the theater.

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Yes Damelon is planning the next steps, those blue tape marks are tentative column locations.








OK, now the other side of the room

Earlier this week Damelon had a helper fill all the tall sections of the stage with sand. Each section lined with 3mil plastic. Here is how it looked this AM.





I added a layer of 3/4 plywood and roofing felt.



Then another layer of 3/4. Then I scribed the curve and straight cuts and went after it. It was at this point the the stars lined up and when I finished cutting away the excess, it fell down and fit the first step perfectly. I actually stared at it a minute because I thought I was going to start from scratch cutting wood for the step. Instead I could use what fell into place with just an additional piece in the middle.

What fell on the right



On the left



Before I buttoned it up I stuffed the cavities



GOT STAGE!

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Great job!! I really like the shape of the stage.
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