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post #1201 of 3019 Old 02-23-2012, 11:25 AM - Thread Starter
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How does that tool actually work, am I missing something?

Well it is shaped like this ]

The bottom end goes under the overhanging plywood and touches the curved surface below. The top piece shows you how far in it is. The top piece is usually slightly shorter to give a Lip or overhang. You can just move this along the stage, (the entire time the bottom piece is touching the front facing curved surface below the top plywood piece) which would allow you to trace the curve below the plywood on top of the plywood using a marker or pencil
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So does my poor wall. It has become a perfsorber.
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I think the stuff I used was $32. for that you get 30 strips. after doubling them up you get 15 or $2.13 for a 1 x 1.5. You can buy a 2x4 for under $2 and rip it in three 1 x1.5 pieces so that is under $ .60 a piece. Good luck finding straight enough studs, that will also stay straight after you rip them.

BIG, was there a reason you went with plywood instead of MDF? Just seems like if you used MDF you would KNOW it would be straight.
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BIG, was there a reason you went with plywood instead of MDF? Just seems like if you used MDF you would KNOW it would be straight.

We didn't have any concerns over the plywood being straight. (He was referring to studs being straight, not plywood) The reason we ended up going with plywood over MDF was that it was much less bendy than a similar-size piece of MDF. We already had pre-cut MDF strips from other parts of our construction and the difference was pretty obvious.
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Damelon, I know he was talking about studs staying straight, I had seen some pretty warped plywood which is why I asked. But your explaination of the additional stiffness makes perfect sense, and was the answer I was looking for.

You theater looks amazing by the way! I am very impressed with both the final product and the timeframe it was completed in!
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Our goal was to keep the width of the fabric frames as narrow as possible due to the design of the walls an how much would be treatment versus hard surface. We experimented with MDF and Plywood. We discovered that with the plywood we could go narrower and the panels wouldn't bow as much under tension from the fabric. We still needed some cross supports for many of the panels. I also didn't buy any warped plywood and I made sure what I grabbed at the store was dry. I didn't buy the cheapest plywood available. It was void free and didn't warp.
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Our goal was to keep the width of the fabric frames as narrow as possible due to the design of the walls an how much would be treatment versus hard surface. We experimented with MDF and Plywood. We discovered that with the plywood we could go narrower and the panels wouldn't bow as much under tension from the fabric. We still needed some cross supports for many of the panels. I also didn't buy any warped plywood and I made sure what I grabbed at the store was dry. I didn't buy the cheapest plywood availble. It was void free and didn't warp.

Thanks BIG. Makes perfect sense. I am not building full wall panels, but will be making a few frames for acoustic treatments. I appreciate the infromation.
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You theater looks amazing by the way! I am very impressed with both the final product and the timeframe it was completed in!

Thanks! And BIG already answered the rest.
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Watched the original "Alien" last weekend. It's one of my "Oldie but goodie" movies!

I am pale grey because I am sick with the flu, red because I am having a frustrating day at work, and now I'm turning green with jealousy!

Glad you hear you are enjoying the 'Oldie but goodie' movies in the new theater. 'Alien' and 'Aliens' are my all time favorites, thus the new hue.

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I am pale grey because I am sick with the flu, red because I am having a frustrating day at work, and now I'm turning green with jealousy!

Glad you hear you are enjoying the 'Oldie but goodie' movies in the new theater. 'Alien' and 'Aliens' are my all time favorites, thus the new hue.

Sorry you are not feeling well. Being sick sucks. (Your custom speakers are coming along beautifully though!)

I haven't yet watched Aliens, which is really one of my all time favorite movies. I was hoping maybe this afternoon I'd jet home a little early and watch it, but more likely that will be this weekend. It's unfortunate that there aren't more quality sci-fi movies. I'm so excited about Prometheus coming out this summer. That preview gives me the chills!

I have to say, I absolutely love this projector. I have noticed in several movies now how sharp the picture is. I can't imagine how much better it would look if I got it calibrated!

I watched the last harold and kumar 3d movie earlier this week and it's a rare widescreen 3d movie, and I didn't even notice the brightness being dim at all, meaning it was plenty bright. On the size screen I have, that really hit me.
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Well it is shaped like this ]

The bottom end goes under the overhanging plywood and touches the curved surface below. The top piece shows you how far in it is. The top piece is usually slightly shorter to give a Lip or overhang. You can just move this along the stage, (the entire time the bottom piece is touching the front facing curved surface below the top plywood piece) which would allow you to trace the curve below the plywood on top of the plywood using a marker or pencil

OK, I am a moron, I guess I forgot about face of the stage already being curved and then this is to make the top match this curve...

Makes perfect sense now. Wow
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Don't feel bad. I didn't really get it either until Big's diagram.

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rackenfrack........if only I had this info six months ago......

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Forgot I had a picture of this, These were the pieces cut for the stage before assembly. Damelon tacked on the foam


What is the purpose of the foam?
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What is the purpose of the foam?

Had foam all around the edges as a sort of dampener between the drywall and the stage. (We did the same with the riser) Although all of the room itself was decoupled from the house, we wanted to make sure if something got pushed tight against the wall there would be a way for the wood and the drywall not to touch directly and allow movement to dampen or prevent vibration transfer.
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Stage we used 2x10s for the main bones and it will be covered with 2 x 3/4" plywood.
Riser we used 2x12s. Same plywood. We are only putting 1 3/4" ply piece on the riser steps. All rear speaker columns will rest on the riser.

So, your risers were not of equal height for each step?
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So, your risers were not of equal height for each step?

I'm totally confused on this question! There are only steps on the riser. (One step on each side) We didn't put two pieces of plywood on top of each step because then the steps would be too high. On top of both the stage and the riser we had double-thick plywood. The stage is not the same height as the riser, and the stage doesn't really have steps. It just has levels.
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I'm totally confused on this question! There are only steps on the riser. (One step on each side) We didn't put two pieces of plywood on top of each step because then the steps would be too high. On top of both the stage and the riser we had double-thick plywood. The stage is not the same height as the riser, and the stage doesn't really have steps. It just has levels.

What I meant was that from your photos and the 2x10 used for the stage, it appears that the first step appears to be 3.5"+0.75"=4.25" high.
The actual (dressed) height of a 2x10 is 9.25", i.e. 5" above first step. Add 1.5" for the two layers of 3/4" plywood, and you get a total height of the second step to be 6.5". So, the two steps were not of equal heights. Is the difference noticeable? Same logic will apply to seating steps as well.

Also, did you put the first seating row on a riser or directly on carpet on concrete? I am thinking of a short riser so that if I use a butt kicker I can still receive some sort of tactile feedback from my feet on a raised floor. This wont be possible off a concrete slab.
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The step for the stage is two layers and the step up heights are actually very similar. There is not a reason for them to be exactly equal, the stage it is purely aesthetic.

Steps where you walk are another story and we actually ripped the wood for the steps so that the step up would be exactly equal.
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What a day, I broke the rear window in my pickup and Damelon broke his camera, Somehow in the middle we made some progress.

First we had some plans.

Riser



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So we hopped into my 20 year old pickup (80K miles) and went to Lowe's

There on aisle 17 we picked up a stage and riser.

If filled 3 carts, Damelon up in front I'm pushing from the back. At this point I was thinking "Some Assembly may be required". If you look closely you will notice we were able to buy 3/8 inch pre-curved plywood stage fronts, this saves a lot of time trying to curve then yourself.



It fits!


I need to document that our trip to Lowe's took 3 hours, I think we were having wood cut for 2 of the 3 hours. Then there was the KFC drive thru window where we picked up some sandwiches.

We got a good portion of the riser cut and assembled



We got the stage framed









During the cleanup of the room at the end of the day I decided to finally try one of the tricks of pulling cable in a conduit



Tied a 7-11 bag on some nylon cord, one of the helpers held the vacuum hose to the projector conduit and I positioned the bag at the other end and before I could say "here it comes", the vacuum ate the bag and string.



Tomorrow we hope to get the decking on. That all depends on how fast Damelon can haul sand.


I like this stage and its construction details so much that I am going to build it in my theater. Thanks Damelon and Big.
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Just a heads up, the Home Depot off the Green Way in Ashburn has the pre-curved plywood in stock. I was there yesterday and they had a least a dozen pieces of various thicknesses.
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I like this stage and its construction details so much that I am going to build it in my theater. Thanks Damelon and Big.

Wooo! I wish we could take credit for the design. Although how it was constructed has varied a little bit from one theater to the next, it seems to be very popular these days. It was easily the stage design that interested me most when I looked around the forums, we even mentioned it right at the beginning of the thread. Needless to say, I'm sure you'll be more than happy with yours!

By the way! Thank you all for visiting my thread! We just reached 100,000 views today!
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My imitation of the Bacon Race stage

I have a question on short risers at the above link and would appreciate responses. Thank you
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My imitation of the Bacon Race stage

I have a question on short risers at the above link and would appreciate responses. Thank you

I dont see your question!
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I dont see your question!

I didnt want to hijack your thread by posting questions there. If you click on the link, you will see it. But, here it is anyway, "I am planning on building a short riser for the front row (about 3" high). Reason: I want to be able to use a butt kicker or equivalent for tactile feedback to the feet which would otherwise not be possible on a concrete slab. Question for all: Are there any light fixtures that might work on such a short riser?"

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For short risers, there are step lights the size of a single gang electrical box. If that fits in the riser that is one solution.

Other than you could use a portion of a rope light or a light strip.

Another option that might work is those small little 12v LED step lights designed for outdoor deck lighting. You can run 12v wiring in a riser. Here is a version with a dimmer option, the lights are 1 /2 inches tall.

http://deckdepot.com/aurora_phoenix_...ht_10pack.aspx

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For short risers, there are step lights the size of a single gang electrical box. If that fits in the riser that is one solution.

Other than you could use a portion of a rope light or a light strip.

Thanks. Any suggestions for a 16" riser design for the 2nd row?
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You only need to light the step area so I would use the single box lights.

http://www.wayfair.com/Royal-Pacific...H-RYP2559.html

they come with both the vertical and horizontal louvers use a small dimmable bulb. Paint to any color you wish. Pictures of installation in the Bethesda build thread in my signature.
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