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Great job!! I really like the shape of the stage.

Agreed turned out really nice.
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What are the final dimensions of the stage?

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I think it is 181 x 52 or 53 inches. Need to put a tape on it. We just stood there and bent some wood until it looked about right. For visual reference we used two rows of roofing felt and they are 36 inches wide.
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how much sand did it take? Looks like a lot!

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That's because it IS a lot! Very nice stage guys.

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how much sand did it take? Looks like a lot!

I purchased 80 50lb bags (4000lbs) of sand. I think I ended up using about 72 or so. About 8 short give or take a bag. It was about 5 bags per large bay or so if I remember correctly. We filled all of the full-height sections with sand in the end as you see. On the little step big just used leftover R38 we had from the riser.
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Hmm, well my theatre IS red, all I'd need are some wavy white streaks.

Hmm, it might be fun to make theatre 2.0 bacon themed. Why not?

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I bet someone HAS or WILL. Wavy red and white to look like bacon? With posters of bacon? An animated frying bacon screensaver... endless possibilities!

Looks like someone beat you guys to it, check out this bacon themed THT.

Great work so far, looks like you and Big are in the grove.

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I would greatly appreciate some detail measurements as well, especially the curve depths. The proportions look spot on. Nice job!
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The proportions look spot on. Nice job!

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Looks like someone beat you guys to it, check out this bacon themed THT.

Hmm, good start but it's not a full bacon-themed HT. The full deal has to be like..... being ensconced in bacon.
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MDF SHUFFLING

So Last Night Damelon got the urge to work on the theater today so I headed over this morning. First order of business was to head out to pick up 2x2s and MDF for soffit construction.

Shuffle #1
Went to Lowe's had some new on the shelf 2x2s and we snagged 44. Went to the MDF shelf and it was empty, checked the computer none in the store. They said it wouldn't have mattered their panel saw was not working.

Shuffle #2
Went to the adjacent HD and they only had 2 mangled sheets - We left them

Shuffle #3
They called the other local HD and verified that they had some in stock, so 20 minutes later we arrived at the third store and found a new pallet load.

Shuffle #4

We loaded 3 sheets on the cart and headed to the saw location where we had them ripped into 12 inch strips

Shuffle #5 out to the truck

Shuffle #6 drove home

Shuffle #7 carried them into the basement

We put up 2x2 strips screwed into the channel around the room in position to hang the outer edge of the 12 inch tall soffit.





then hung some MDF for the front face of the soffit for the front and one side wall.



We mocked up the light box tray and tacked it up





It was at this point we stood back to admire our work and both came to the conclusion that a 12 inch tall soffit was too tall

Shuffle #8 took the MDF down

Shuffle #9 loaded it on the truck

Shuffle #10 drove back to HD

Shuffle #11 brought it into the store and had them cut the 12s down to 10s (the value of a portable job-site table saw can't be underestimated here)

Shuffle #12 Back on the truck

Shuffle #13 drove home

Shuffle #14 carried back to the basement

Shuffle #15 put it all back on the ceiling this time doing all four walls.



Then we tackled building some custom register boots for 6 x 24 supply and return vents. Built a box with plywood and some of the leftover MDF sealed the joints with leftover acoustical caulk.



Added some Linacoustic lining to quiet the box





Then put on the bottoms, The slots are intentionally in different positions based on intended locations.



We intend to reach up through the slots and screw to the ceiling inside the soffits.

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Nice update. It looks like you guys are continuing to make great progress. I really like the register boots. I was planning to do something similar (36 inch outlets), but with duct board. I like the idea of using the MDF since it is denser. I think I may go this route instead. The only difference is that mine will be in the ceiling between the joists, so I need to form some kind of sound deadening around them to keep sound form escaping. I was thinking on building double drywall + green glue boxes around the flex duct and filling it with insulation to help prevent sound escaping through the registers. Hopefully it will work.

Did you order your registers yet? Just curious as to what they look like.

Keep the updates coming.

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MDF SHUFFLING

So Last Night Damelon got the urge to work on the theater today so I headed over this morning. First order of business was to head out to pick up 2x2s and MDF for soffit construction.

Shuffle #1
Went to Lowe's had some new on the shelf 2x2s and we snagged 44. Went to the MDF shelf and it was empty, checked the computer none in the store. They said it wouldn't have mattered their panel saw was not working.

Shuffle #2
Went to the adjacent HD and they only had 2 mangled sheets - We left them

Shuffle #3
They called the other local HD and verified that they had some in stock, so 20 minutes later we arrived at the third store and found a new pallet load.

Shuffle #4

We loaded 3 sheets on the cart and headed to the saw location where we had them ripped into 12 inch strips

Shuffle #5 out to the truck

Shuffle #6 drove home

Shuffle #7 carried them into the basement

We put up 2x2 strips screwed into the channel around the room in position to hang the outer edge of the 12 inch tall soffit.





then hung some MDF for the front face of the soffit for the front and one side wall.



We mocked up the light box tray and tacked it up





It was at this point we stood back to admire our work and both came to the conclusion that a 12 inch tall soffit was too tall

Shuffle #8 took the MDF down

Shuffle #9 loaded it on the truck

Shuffle #10 drove back to HD

Shuffle #11 brought it into the store and had them cut the 12s down to 10s (the value of a portable job-site table saw can't be underestimated here)

Shuffle #12 Back on the truck

Shuffle #13 drove home

Shuffle #14 carried back to the basement

Shuffle #15 put it all back on the ceiling this time doing all four walls.



Then we tackled building some custom register boots for 6 x 24 supply and return vents. Built a box with plywood and some of the leftover MDF sealed the joints with leftover acoustical caulk.



Added some Linacoustic lining to quiet the box





Then put on the bottoms, The slots are intentionally in different positions based on intended locations.



We intend to reach up through the slots and screw to the ceiling inside the soffits.

A shuffling Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U74Ux...eature=related


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Nice update. It looks like you guys are continuing to make great progress. I really like the register boots. I was planning to do something similar (36 inch outlets), but with duct board. I like the idea of using the MDF since it is denser. I think I may go this route instead. The only difference is that mine will be in the ceiling between the joists, so I need to form some kind of sound deadening around them to keep sound form escaping. I was thinking on building double drywall + green glue boxes around the flex duct and filling it with insulation to help prevent sound escaping through the registers. Hopefully it will work.

Did you order your registers yet? Just curious as to what they look like.

Keep the updates coming.

Nick

While these are just the boots, soundproofers will tell you that your ductboard idea is great, but you should still encase the ductboard in MDF. It's just more expensive than flex duct. This is normally more than enough, but if you use ductboard make sure that it makes at least 2-3 90 degree turns. If you use flexduct make sure it is packed with insulation around the duct inside of the MDF casing, and you should have it snaking in an S shape in any soffits between joists, etc so that the sound can't travel cleanly through.

Originally I was going to buy 4" x 36" linear bar registers. But they need to be special ordered and are pretty costly. I just went with 6" x 24" return grilles from your every day home depot. They are Plain-Jane and ugly. But we will paint them black and they will vanish against the black GOM we will be putting on the bottom of the soffits. I decided to just use return registers because they are 1 directional. Since I have my supply on the side of the room, and the return at the rear center, the air will blow into the middle of the room and be pulled toward the back across the seating area. No need to have air blowing towards the screen.

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Oh great, now you are going to want to work even faster!
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Oh great, now you are going to want to work even faster!

Not really... I just like to be prepared and don't like waiting for things when I need them!
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You guys are just flying along at dare I say a "record pace"

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You guys are just flying along at dare I say a "record pace"

Yes, it is hard to believe that Damelon posted pictures of the initial demo 26 days ago.
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Can I ask what kind of lights are you using on the riser? Will they be on a dimmer? How many light zones if any will you have? Is it best to have the riser lights on its own dimmer/zone or connected to other lights?
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Can I ask what kind of lights are you using on the riser? Will they be on a dimmer? How many light zones if any will you have? Is it best to have the riser lights on its own dimmer/zone or connected to other lights?
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They come with both a vertical panel (shown) and horizontal (what we are using).

We will put all of our lights on dimmers, no matter if we dim them or not. We are having 4 light zones:

1) Riser Step Lights
2) Soffit Light Tray : Sides & Rear
3) Soffit Light Tray : Gimbled screen lights
4) Rope light : top side of light tray for the tray ceiling accents

BIG and I have discussed 2 different light zones for the tray ceiling. One for white rope light, another for black light to charge the star ceiling.

In my wife's movie room at her old house, her step lights were on a motion detector, but I hated it. So don't do that.
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I am planning on some zones- will have front and rear sconces, riser lights, rope light on ceiling rear high hats- was thinking riser as 1 zone front lights as 1, rear lights as 1(sconces and rear high hats) and soffit rope light as one- not sure how that sounds
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Did some more work on the Theater today

First we hung the duct boots.

Screwed to the ceiling and to the soffit.

Here is the rear return



Then banged up the 2x2 ladders finishing off the soffit structure, The parts of the soffit not housing the ductwork will contain cotton insulation and function as a base trap. They will be covered with black GOM fabric.









We ran a two inch conduit from the equipment room to the front behind the screen wall for all the speaker wire runs for the fronts and subs.







Here we are validating the light box dimensions. The light box around the room will house some 3 inch recessed lights and up lighting for the ceiling. It will curve out over the stage and be straight along the sides.

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Did some more work on the Theater today

First we hung the duct boots.

Screwed to the ceiling and to the soffit.

Here is the rear return



Then banged up the 2x2 ladders finishing off the soffit structure, The parts of the soffit not housing the ductwork will contain cotton insulation and function as a base trap. They will be covered with black GOM fabric.









We ran a two inch conduit from the equipment room to the front behind the screen wall for all the speaker wire runs for the fronts and subs.







Here we are validating the light box dimensions. The light box around the room will house some 3 inch recessed lights and up lighting for the ceiling. It will curve out over the stage and be straight along the sides.


Now if I stop sweating bullets over the light-tray & column designs, not to mention my credit card statements, I'll be a happy camper!

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Good work on the soffits and stage. It's really coming along quickly and looking great. I look forward to seeing how you put up the light-tray. I'm still going through ideas in that department.
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Good work on the soffits and stage. It's really coming along quickly and looking great. I look forward to seeing how you put up the light-tray. I'm still going through ideas in that department.

We are pretty sure about how we are putting it up. It is going to be a simple design. (See the last picture BIG posted). Basically half of a box. A 5.5" piece of MDF with a 6" piece of MDF screwed to the end. There will be a few support pieces inside of the L for stability and to help screw in the box higher up, but mostly the tray will be held in place by screwing it into the bottom of the soffit. The top will be open. This will allow wiring to be done easily, heat to leave the tray, and also because it just isn't seen, so it isn't needed. Keeps the weight down.

What we are really working on is how we are going to finish the box. We are looking at veneering, some combinations of paint and stain, etc. BIG is also experimenting with some mouldings.

The primary color type of both the columns and the light box will match, and will be a red color to be close to the color of the GOM.
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Basically half of a box. A 5.5" piece of MDF with a 6" piece of MDF screwed to the end...

What we are really working on is how we are going to finish the box. We are looking at veneering, some combinations of paint and stain, etc. BIG is also experimenting with some mouldings.

Just out of curiosity, have you looked at how expensive it would be to use solid hardwood? It would be stronger, lighter and easier than veneering. Something like poplar might not be too much more expensive than the MDF+veneer route. Poplar can be finished to give a good imitation of cherry (for example) at a much lower cost. FYI, buying hardwood at a big box store is WAY more expensive than buying from a specialty wood store.

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Just out of curiosity, have you looked at how expensive it would be to use solid hardwood? It would be stronger, lighter and easier than veneering. Something like poplar might not be too much more expensive than the MDF+veneer route. Poplar can be finished to give a good imitation of cherry (for example) at a much lower cost. FYI, buying hardwood at a big box store is WAY more expensive than buying from a specialty wood store.

Yeah, I've looked at it. I wouldn't be worried about the staining. We would only need to find the right color stain for the wood we choose. The front would be a little harder with the curved piece if we used solid wood and to keep the stain, since we'd have to use thin bendable material. Yeah I do know that hardwood is cheaper at a lumber store than like home depot/lowes. BIG is experimenting right now and wants to show me the results before we make any decisions.
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Nice soffit design, identical to mine!! Used the same MDF & wood latter (I used 2x3, only thing close to straight at my Lowes).

I also fretted over the light tray, ended up using crown molding, stained to match my baseboard. Was worried if there was enough room for the rope light and the effect. Everything worked out, it looks great. See link: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post20740440

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Nice soffit design, identical to mine!! Used the same MDF & wood latter (I used 2x3, only thing close to straight at my Lowes).

I also fretted over the light tray, ended up using crown molding, stained to match my baseboard. Was worried if there was enough room for the rope light and the effect. Everything worked out, it looks great. See link: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post20740440

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Yeah when BIG and I were at Lowes the day we picked up the materials for the Stage/Riser, the 2x2s there were absolutely terrible. When we came back later for the soffit they had a brand new pallet of 2x2s and they were in excellent shape.

BIG is really excited to show me his idea of moldings on the light tray. For our build, the recessed lights will not exit in the soffit area you see so far in this build. The soffit will be filled with bulk cotton and covered with black GOM on the bottom. The light tray will be inside of the existing soffit. BIG is experimenting with the look of putting the trim inside of that. He has some column ideas too, as do I.

In other news, Bryan Pape just finished my audio treatment plan. We're going to do 2" 3lb cotton on the front wall, full coverage. OC703 in the front corners triangle cut for bass traps. Soffit filled with bulk cotton. Side walls from front bass absorbers to the side-rear columns will have floor to ceiling 1" 3lb cotton. Between rear side columns and rear wall, the cotton will be to only 5' high to allow for some surround reflection. The rear wall will be 4" OC703 with paper facing. All walls will be covered with GOM FR701 fabric.
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