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post #811 of 856 Old 02-23-2016, 11:28 AM - Thread Starter
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one vote conduit then run cable and add your own cable ends later. Or just run the bulk cable now.
Hey Jeff!

I'd prefer to run bulk and then have conduit for future proofing, but wasn't sure if there was a standard cable I could run and be done with it. Not sure what bulk cable I need. Was looking at this, but not sure if its correct.

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That is really pricey, I wonder if Belden 8451 would work, I'm not a wire guru.
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First thing you need to ensure is the cable is CMR rated for in-wall use, which basically means the jacket won't spread fire too quickly within your walls.

I have used Canare and Mogami but couldn't find if their jackets were CMR rated. I did a quick search and this discussion stood out, the OP ended up going with BIG's Belden 8451 recommendation.

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And I was able to verify the jacket is CMR rated using the spec sheet listed at Markertek.

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First thing you need to ensure is the cable is CMR rated for in-wall use, which basically means the jacket won't spread fire too quickly within your walls.

I have used Canare and Mogami but couldn't find if their jackets were CMR rated. I did a quick search and this discussion stood out, the OP ended up going with BIG's Belden 8451 recommendation.

http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin...read.cgi?31788

And I was able to verify the jacket is CMR rated using the spec sheet listed at Markertek.

http://www.markertek.com/product/bl-...100-foot-black
David and Jeff, thank you.

I went ahead and ordered 100 feet of the Belden 8451. One more thing checked off the list. Appreciate it.

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Started looking at door options now. The theater side doors are going to be hidden per Dennis' design. For soundproofing purposes, I think I'll need to have the drywall go all the way up to the door jam, which sounds to me I'll need to find and install a door before prior to drywalling that area. Looking at a few older threads, it sounds like there are some expensive options out there. What have people done recently? Has anyone had any success with the Masonite Safe and Sound doors? Are there other options?

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hidden doors take some special hinges to get the swing right for clearance of the 2 inch acoustical treatment called for in the typical Erskine plan. Steve, who builds Erskine theaters builds those doors in Atlanta. He has a custom cabinetry shop (his day job) and builds them for each project. If you have the $$ you could ask him for a bid on a door then drive to Atlanta and pick it up. it will be 4 figures.

I've been using 1 3/4 thick birch veneer MDF solid core doors and haven't attempted to make it "hidden" just mounted acoustical treatments in the inside of the door set back from the edge for clearance.

Some guys have added one or two layers of 1/2 MDF with GG to the basic flush door for added STC. You will also need to purchase door seals.

this is an example of an out swinging door

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another out swinging door with 2 inches of Quest material, The final trim isn't on the door on this job which will hide the staples and fabric edges. A custom woodworker did the Mahogany work in the theater, it is beautiful. I just stapled the fabric

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Here's the look and I'm going to go the quest route as well. It's also a swing out door. Does Steve work for Dennis?

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When there is a Theater Job

this is him:
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Has anyone had any success with the Masonite Safe and Sound doors? Are there other options?
I installed Masonite Safe and Sound doors on all of the bedroom doors upstairs but the walls let all of the sound travel. They work well for blocking sound but I doubt they'd be best for home theater. Or they'd work for home theater but I'd follow Big's examples of adding additional damping. As a base door, they'd be a great foundation for additional treatment. Definitely would want one of those automatic mechanically-operated door seals at the bottom of the door to block sound transmission.

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Thanks Jeff, just left him a voicemail. Curious how much this would be.

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I installed Masonite Safe and Sound doors on all of the bedroom doors upstairs but the walls let all of the sound travel. They work well for blocking sound but I doubt they'd be best for home theater. Or they'd work for home theater but I'd follow Big's examples of adding additional damping. As a base door, they'd be a great foundation for additional treatment. Definitely would want one of those automatic mechanically-operated door seals at the bottom of the door to block sound transmission.
I may go this way, I guess I would order via HD. I don't know if they'd have the hinges required and I'd have to figure out the stops. Since the door needs to be flushed with the second layer of drywall (to be covered with the acoustic treatments, the MDF would have to be on the outside (outside the theater) side of the door. The molding that would go around the around the treatments on the inside of the theater could maybe act as the stops or I could figure something else out.

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Not sure Home Depot has those doors, I'm pretty sure we ordered them from Lowes. You can order the slabs only or with the frame, I've ordered both.

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Hey Bud, hope things are going well!

Let me know when you are going up to your cabin and we can grab a beer at the Blue Ridge Brewery (St. Bernardus on tap for $5). I started on the basement at my cabin, including theater. Nothing fancy, but fits well with the rustic theme.

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I went ahead and ordered 100 feet of the Belden 8451. One more thing checked off the list. Appreciate it.
Maybe I'm too late (imagine THAT for a second!)....is 100 ft enough? I treated buying cable like hoses and ladders....always get them longer than you think you'll need.

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Not sure Home Depot has those doors, I'm pretty sure we ordered them from Lowes. You can order the slabs only or with the frame, I've ordered both.
Went to Lowes at lunch today, the door guy was pretty much useless. I even brought a diagram (see thumb) to try to explain what I was doing.

Exchanged voicemails from Steve, send him an email with the specifics. I could probably build something like Big said, maybe an exterior door with some layers of GG/MDF. I've still got some time to figure things out.

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Let me know when you are going up to your cabin and we can grab a beer at the Blue Ridge Brewery (St. Bernardus on tap for $5). I started on the basement at my cabin, including theater. Nothing fancy, but fits well with the rustic theme.

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BEN!

I know St. Bernardus all too well. I get up there every once in a while now, may be up there for a week or so towards the end of May. The basement build looks great. I may take you up on the contacts, sure would help the bottom line.

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Maybe I'm too late (imagine THAT for a second!)....is 100 ft enough? I treated buying cable like hoses and ladders....always get them longer than you think you'll need.
HA!

100 feet should be plenty. I ran RG59 and bought 100 feet for two runs, had about 10 feet left over. Should be good to go.

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Went to Lowes at lunch today, the door guy was pretty much useless. I even brought a diagram (see thumb) to try to explain what I was doing.

Exchanged voicemails from Steve, send him an email with the specifics. I could probably build something like Big said, maybe an exterior door with some layers of GG/MDF. I've still got some time to figure things out.

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Bud, have you thought about a double door setup with one swinging in and one swinging out. I was in @BrolicBeast 's theater, which Big is helping with, and was real impressed by his double door setup. Then you could put a threshold between the two doors all the way around and you'd have very good sound isolation and likely a simpler build.

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Bud, have you thought about a double door setup with one swinging in and one swinging out. I was in @BrolicBeast 's theater, which Big is helping with, and was real impressed by his double door setup. Then you could put a threshold between the two doors all the way around and you'd have very good sound isolation and likely a simpler build.
I have, but that would force the entrance door into the theater and I may not have enough room to really swing it in. Not in love with having two doors honestly either. I'd rather have the extra expense with one good performing door that to do with two.

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Busy weekend. Yesterday, I met some of my people from work and went out for lunch and went to see Deadpool. Last night, we had the regional tournament for my son's basketball team after losing the district championship tournament on Tuesday. After losing that game, the coach announces to the boys that "it's my last game" and walks out of the locker room. Everyone thinks he just quit, and later we see in the online paper he decided to retire after 22 years. BTW, my son is now 6' 6.25" and he just turn 16 on Thanksgiving. Today, my daughter and I went to the TN/GA women's basketball game and out to lunch. Tomorrow, I'm taking the day off and heading to Asheville to play the Grove Park Inn course.

I did get some work done in the theater room, some more wiring and got the Belden wiring done. I have not heard back from Steve on the door, I'll try and reach out to him this week.

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Having a Mame to go along with the theater would be awesome! That's definitely on my list of projects for post HT. I'm expecting lots of pics of that build, too
J-P-A and Jikkjack -

Forgot to post about this since it was ages ago. I did pick up a multitude machine or actually two. Bought mine through this guy in Louisville. My son had AAU basketball tournaments there last summer so I ordered one and picked it up when I headed home and I liked it so much, I got another.

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I had him make one that looks like a Galaga machine and put at the cabin. It has a vertical 32" screen with a game upgrade to make it like 400 games.

I bought a second one for our house in Knoxville, my son wanted a side by side model. I think this is the one actually. Basic graphics, 32" horizontal monitor, two sets up joysticks and button. This one has the 2100+ game package on it. He does good work and is a lot more reasonable than others I've seen. I personally didn't want to start ANOTHER project.



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I've exchanged a million emails with Steve about the door(s) and I think I'll end up going the custom built route. Includes everything including the flush jamb, hinge colors, seal kit and the drop down sweep and can make the exterior of the door match my existing doors. I won't have to payoff it to be crated or shipped because I'll head down to the ATL to get them. Yes, he'll do the one into the panic room as well (with some different specs). Another thing I don't have to take the time out to figure it out.

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If you document the door and it's installation it will be a first on this forum.
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First? Wow.

Happy to document it. As of now, what I'm doing is pretty boring, so maybe that liven things up a bit. About four weeks to get the doors completed, then I have to figure out when to go get them.

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There have been plenty of documented Erskine builds but scant details on Steve's magic doors, maybe intentionally.
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That multitude machine is NICE! Thanks for posting that. I'm going to have to look them up when I get the rest of my basement finished.

Dude, are you made of leprechauns? Cause that was awesome!

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I went ahead and ordered my doors from Steve and sent a check. Started to look at AT screens as well. Jeff, I hear you have some experience with the Falcon screens. What's your opinion? Not familiar with Falcon at all. I need to go hang out in the screen forum for a while. I reached out to Stewart and they quoted me a huge price (included a masking system, but it was HUGE - like the budget for my whole room huge).

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I went ahead and ordered my doors from Steve and sent a check. Started to look at AT screens as well. Jeff, I hear you have some experience with the Falcon screens. What's your opinion? Not familiar with Falcon at all. I need to go hang out in the screen forum for a while. I reached out to Stewart and they quoted me a huge price (included a masking system, but it was HUGE - like the budget for my whole room huge).

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I have been very happy with my Falcon screen.

My screen is the Horizon material.

If you are wanting to come by sometime for a demo, please let me know.

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