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My hat's off to you Bud, that's a really, REALLY nice looking ceiling!


I say this with the utmost respect, but rooms like yours are exactly why there are so many "Version 2.0" rooms on this forum!
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My hat's off to you Bud, that's a really, REALLY nice looking ceiling!


I say this with the utmost respect, but rooms like yours are exactly why there are so many "Version 2.0" rooms on this forum!
Hey, thanks Doug. Appreciate that.

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Probably going with these sconces after agonizing for some time about it. I was looking originally for a more industrial, but what I liked won't work in the theater due to the how far it comes off the wall. Going to have some narrow isles, so anything more than say 5 inches deep is going to be an issue. So this was the best compromise.



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Jeff and others -

Doorknobs. Hidden thick door AND will have acoustic treatments. Steve Kujala recommended an Emtek that has a passage door style with a threaded square stock that can be cut to fit the door thickness - and required you get the one with a 2 3/4" back stop. Looking into that still, but what have you guys done to accommodate very thick doors?

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OK, so getting closer to colors and fabric. I think I'm leaning towards GOM "Drift 2539 Graphite 040". The left one in the previous fabric photo. To Big's point, I just better hang it straight. What do you think about these trim colors? Interesting change in color when the flash is on or off. Flash OFF is the first one.




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I like black mocha in both pictures
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I like black mocha in both pictures
Me too.
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I like the contrast between Broadway and the Driftwood Graphite fabric.
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I like the Broadway on top, and Black Mocha on bottom (flashed??). That makes me think that actual lighting conditions in room will have a big impact.


There are others that can weigh in more accurately, but it looks like the top pic is with a more yellow "standard house lighting" of around 2700K. The flash is probably a more bright white, over 4000K or so. What are your plans for lighting in the room? Are you going more towards a white LED (4000) or "warmer" (2700)? I changed the paint in my room already (w/in 6 months of opening night), after realizing that the colors didn't look right w/the lighting I'd chosen.


The stuff we have to learn to get these rooms done...
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Imagine a color that is a 50/50 mix of the Broadway and the Mocha. You buy a quart of each and dump them in a empty container. I've done many projects where I mixed my own paint/stain. Home depot sells empty gallon paint cans. I've probably mixed more stains than paint. I can recall one project was 3 parts of one stain and one part ebony to make it darker. You can experiment by mixing table spoons of paint in a plastic cup until you get your formula established.
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I like the Broadway on top, and Black Mocha on bottom (flashed??). That makes me think that actual lighting conditions in room will have a big impact.


There are others that can weigh in more accurately, but it looks like the top pic is with a more yellow "standard house lighting" of around 2700K. The flash is probably a more bright white, over 4000K or so. What are your plans for lighting in the room? Are you going more towards a white LED (4000) or "warmer" (2700)? I changed the paint in my room already (w/in 6 months of opening night), after realizing that the colors didn't look right w/the lighting I'd chosen.

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Thanks for the reply.

The bulbs I bought for the 4" cans are 3000K. I have nine of those in the ceiling/coffers. http://a.co/c2CuEd6

Have not decided on bulbs for the sconces, they take up to 100W each.

Flash was an iPhone 6 flash. I don't see myself painting everything again, especially that ceiling. My office was relatively dark when I took the shot. I like the contrast between Broadway and the fabric, the Mocha seems to color match with it well.

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Imagine a color that is a 50/50 mix of the Broadway and the Mocha. You buy a quart of each and dump them in a empty container. I've done many projects where I mixed my own paint/stain. Home depot sells empty gallon paint cans. I've probably mixed more stains than paint. I can recall one project was 3 parts of one stain and one part ebony to make it darker. You can experiment by mixing table spoons of paint in a plastic cup until you get your formula established.
Interesting. I'll get a sample of each and see what it looks like first, then maybe I'll play with it a bit.

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Ran out at lunch....

Can't tell much from the finger sample on the lid either.



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In my office. Lights suck. Primed and painted some MDF using both samples. The Black Mocha came out a little different than expected, so now I'm stuck on this decision. One more time, with and without the flash. Including the sconce in the mix



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That's tough. I can see an argument for both. But if I had to choose, I like the one on the right. In a darkened room it will appear black but give a nice look when the lights are on.
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Jeff and others -

Doorknobs. Hidden thick door AND will have acoustic treatments. Steve Kujala recommended an Emtek that has a passage door style with a threaded square stock that can be cut to fit the door thickness - and required you get the one with a 2 3/4" back stop. Looking into that still, but what have you guys done to accommodate very thick doors?

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Bud,

My door is 3 inches thick. We used Emtek. They make a passage set that takes up to 3 inches thick. if you look in my thread there are a ton of door pics to show the thickness. I got lucky cause my whole house is emtek already.

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here is one source for one style of door lever for thick doors.

http://www.woodwardsace.com/baldwin/...hick_door.html

I do like the Emteks. The term is backset not back stop. That is the distance from the edge of the door to the center of the hole you drill for the knob.

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This place has 99 models of Emtek that you can order for up to a 3 inch door. I picked this one in black just for you

https://www.handlesets.com/emtek-810...erset/p1282837



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My door is 3 inches thick. We used Emtek. They make a passage set that takes up to 3 inches thick. if you look in my thread there are a ton of door pics to show the thickness. I got lucky cause my whole house is emtek already.

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Hey Jim,

Thanks for the reply. I think the door is probably 2.25" already, plus I've got another 2" of acoustic material on it. I'll have to call Emtek. The other option is to just work the acoustic treatments around the knob, I guess.

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That's tough. I can see an argument for both. But if I had to choose, I like the one on the right. In a darkened room it will appear black but give a nice look when the lights are on.
Yeah, that's the way I'm leaning now. Want contrast, but both do that. I think the Mocha goes well with the sconces.

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Thanks Jeff,

I like that one and it comes in a color similar to the sconces. Do you just work around it with the acoustic treatments? Might look funny. Some of the hidden doors you posted in the thread earlier, are those treated ?

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Bud,

I'm in the same boat as u. If u look at my pics u will see my door is 3 inches but where he panels will go will be thicker so I chose to not go around the knob only bit do the full perimeter of the door for looks. So we will fill my inset once I know the deal with acoustic panels and the panels will just stick out further on the door.

I know for a fact 3 inch is the max with emtek. I also called Baldwin cause they r such a large company and no go for more than 2.5 I think it was.

Emtek was the thickest at 3 inches.
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Do you just work around it with the acoustic treatments? Might look funny. Some of the hidden doors you posted in the thread earlier, are those treated ?
best practice is to put it on the surface so you need a really long spindle and as Steve said if basically a square metal rod.
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Got it. You basically replace the existing spindle with a square metal rod to give you extra depth. Something like: http://a.co/jkNgrpb


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maybe or maybe something fabricated from

https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/03894060

Not sure the size you need.
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Gotcha. Me neither! I guess I'll buy a knob/lever and figure it out.

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You will need to get creative on the screws as they will no longer reach all the way through
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Yes, thought about that. Would wood screws into the door itself work is everything is in line or do you think you need to replace the screws? May be a tough find.

Jeff, just a sanity check. Hard side out on the linacoustic behind the screen wall, under the soffits and in the HVAC boxes, correct? Just saw a thread that was soft side out behind the screen wall.

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yes the coating faces the room, it is counter intuitive but the acoustical test data is with the coating facing the sound source. It also contains any fiberglass fibers that are trying to make run to freedom.
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In my office. Lights suck. Primed and painted some MDF using both samples. The Black Mocha came out a little different than expected, so now I'm stuck on this decision. One more time, with and without the flash. Including the sconce in the mix.

IMO, the GOM changes color with the flash more than the paint does. As a result of that I agree with Tim that the right one looks best in the top, but I think the left looks best in the bottom. Again, I think that's not because the paint changes that much, but the way its offset by the GOM changes, as the GOM changes color.


Maybe the question shouldn't be "how much light that is similar to the flash will the paint get?", and focus on "how much light that is similar to the flash will the GOM get?". IDK how your final treatment plan looks, but in my room, because I have LED gimbaled eyeballs, the GOM gets a lot more light than the paint.


If I'm right, and your sconces (beautiful BTW) are providing the light that hits the GOM, they're going to be more yellow. That would suggest that the paint that looks better WITHOUT the flash should be your first choice? The other thing that may come into play (IIRC from the class a friend that's a lighting guy told me), the further you are from the light source, the more it dims; and the more it dims the further down the temperature spectrum it falls. That would mean that 3000K lights will start to look more like 2700K lights over distance. So unless you're sticking with WHITE lights around the room, it could fade to more yellow over distance anyway. Because I have so many 4000K lights, evenly spaced, I have the opposite problem: Pretty much everywhere, everything on the walls gets only white light.


I don't know if I'm explaining all of this well enough to be helpful, or I'm just inserting more static into the conversation. It makes sense in my head, anyway...
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