Originally Posted by alittletank
Localhost I'm sure I could learn a lot from you however I find myself incapable of seeing past your condescending tone and abrasive delivery to absorb anything useful from your posts. Perhaps that isn’t your intention but it certainly is the end result.
Local, why bother?
You have folks here whose primary reason is not to learn the actual acoustical physics - as we are told repeatedly that such is far to difficult for the average Joe, who can't be bothered to read 76 pages of Sound System Engineering.
Instead their purpose is validation. They have had much fun reading copious marketing brochures full of miraculous promises, or copying something they saw elsewhere (regardless of the actual purposes that may have been designed to remediate - but hey, it looked cool!), or repeating what someone else did based upon their 'interpretation' of what someone else did based upon their reading of what someone did on another Internet site - actual behavior be damned. And regardless of how objectively valid the actual behavior, since the result is "different" from that which they started, it is necessarily defined as "better". What could be simpler - or more enjoyable.
For you see, in this world, there is no objective basis for performance, as most still think that acoustics is far beyond the realm of science to understand and most still think that they are exploring uncharted territory where noise control, reflection, absorption and diffusion have never been studied - as after all, as one reads all too often on the 'net, this subject is simply far beyond the ability of science to understand - as if they don't know - nobody knows.
So why try to upset their world of enjoyment based upon a myopic ignore-ance of the larger world of acoustics. Just because you have taken some time to actually read and learn from primary sources and current models and research, why do you persist in upsetting he good folks who have some Luddite notion that one cannot find enjoyment in identifying ACTUAL behavior, noting ACTUAL problems, and surgically using the appropriate treatment to effectively treat, and verifying the effectiveness of such treatment in order to achieve a coherent acoustical response model that is appropriate to their intended use?
You see, the real problem is that in the absence of such awareness, and the refusal of folks to make an attempt that is commensurate with the stated importance of the response of their room, all you are doing is reminding them that their oh so enjoyable efforts are in most cases less than optimal. And of course the cry is to burn the witch! And these folks have spent much more time assembling torches and pitchforks from some Internet page claiming to offer the latest greatest most effective torch and pitchfork design than they have actually trying to read some readily available texts on current models, tools, or acoustics pertinent to small acoustical space acoustical spaces.
And don't worry, there are plenty here with a commercial vested interest who will chastise you as well, as rather than advancing an understanding of actual current acoustical models and concepts, they have a vested interest in cultivating the cult of personality as they sell services marketed not on objective performance that translates to subjective experience, but they sell the 'image' and the enjoyment of casting their worries to the side as long as they only employ their services or buy their magical products guaranteed to solve everyones' problem - regardless of what they are - based on the foregone conclusion that if you have already justified spending that much money, OF COURSE you are going to hear the desired difference as you have already decided it is worth it - regardless of whether it actually exists or not!
After all, this is about ENJOYMENT and MARKETING! And most importantly VALIDATION! They want to FEEL good! Its not about objective results that may or may not occur, its about their deserved reward for participation
Nevermind if various marketed measurement platforms over promise and vastly under deliver at a price twice of more capable alternatives - they are not buying actual performance, they are buying the feeling that they have DONE something without really having had to spend any effort or time to learn what they are doing! But hey, given its limited scope and abilities, its the ideal app for those who were not astute enough to simply buy a receiver with the limited benefits of Audyssey to EQ their sub below ~100 Hz. Besides, isn't that all acoustic measurement can do???????
After all, why do you think so many flock to buying fancy interconnect and power cables? As they are the one area where the 'average Joe end user' does not feel intimidated as they respond to claims to be able to make quantum leaps in performance improvement!
But whatever you do, DO NOT dare suggest that such notions are not valid, as this invalidates their FEELINGS. Don't dare suggest that their arbitrary placement of too thin treatment might over-damp the high frequencies while ignoring the high energy low-mid energy and actually exacerbate the situational. Don't DARE suggest that physics actually plays a role, as most are intimidated by physics, and most don't ant to believe that all of their effort and money was wasted. Nevermind that if one acknowledged the principles that they could more effectively and enjoyably expend the same or even less effort and money and actually achieve an objectively verifiable result that translates to an enhanced subjective experience.
So Local, don't rock the boat! You are making the mistake of assuming that this and other similar forums are ACTUALLY about "Science", when in fact they are simply about the validation of whatever it is that someone did for whatever reason. It's not about science, its not about acoustics, its about FEELINGS. And as you have been told by yet one more participant, the presentation of objective fact where performance can indeed be determined objectively (and where the concepts of 'correct' and 'incorrect' can often be ascribed), they are "incapable of seeing past your condescending tone and abrasive delivery to absorb anything useful from your posts". For you see, you miss the point in trying to present objective concepts that describe physical behavior. As to disagree or state that something can objectively be measured and possibly found lacking, that is necessarily "condescending...and abrasive".
This is not about doing it right. This is about participation. And as we have all learned in recent years, the actual results don't matter! What matter is that everyone get a medal simply for participating.
So, can the acoustics - as they has little place here; and instead start validating!!! Just ignore the actual results and instead smile and say "it looks nice..." Either that or invest in some new tennis shoes in which the 'fast' has not yet worn off - as you will need them as you run chased by the natives (their pockets bulging with glossy brochures) bearing torches and pitchforks chanting "Burn the witch"...
So get with the program, dude!