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You won't offend me by calling me a cheapskate. (I know that's not what you said.)

There is probably a strong argument for buying all the speakers now, while I have the cash flowing.
I called you delusional, not a cheapskate!
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I've had to push a few things forward some, which is a little disappointing, but I found places to add the tasks without pushing everything else forward as well... and I have made some progress.

I was able to get the rack installation started. I've come up with a way to make it fit nicely within the framing I have already in place. I have also had to tweak some other designs to make room, but this is really neither here nor there. I ordered a door for the closet and got most of the framing cut and laid out. Aside from getting help from someone with a truck and getting another set of hands one or two evenings this week, I have everything set and on hand that I need.





I still haven't settled on how many speakers to order tomorrow.
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Oh - also one of two eventual EP4000s has been ordered. I have been waiting on Amazon to put them on sale, but it hasn't happened. So I saved a few dollars by getting one through eBay. I am keeping my eyes out for another. Feel free to drop any hints if you see one at a good price - used is okay.
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I sent Roman (rtheaters) an email, to see if he had the seats I need in stock. He does not, which is a bit of a bummer. That pushes my opening back for sure. On the up side, I have just submitted payment for my seats, which will arrive in his next container in 3 to 3.5 months. When I emailed him, I didn't expect to have a reply this evening, but there have been several emails exchanged and everything is settled.

I went with 6 Fusion Jives, with no middle arms, brown bonded leather, removable armrest inserts. Just over 4 grand, delivered.

I will have chairs about a month late, but maybe in time for my birthday. More importantly - they should be here in time for the Iron Bowl.
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Today's the big day! What's the decision on surrounds?

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Argh! I want to buy all twelve, but I know I won't have adequate time and space to build them the way I want while I build the rest of everything.

I think I'm just going to get 4 for now. I know there will be a second order, so four gets me 7.4 and up and running.

I hate that decision, but I think it's the practical choice.
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You're not planning ATMOS right out of the gate, right? So are you planning to buy just the four base layer speakers?

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Right. 4 gets me to 7.1 and when I can get an Atmos processor for a grand or so, I'll be interested in expanding to 9.4.6
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I think that's a reasonable way to go. I think the vast majority of installations will be using a different speaker for overheads. For that matter, part of the marketing recommends using the ATMOS enabled modules. No way they have the same timbre as the forward firing driver. So, best case, when you get around to buying the overheads you can still get the Volts to match. Worst case is you get a different concentric - which is still not a bad case. I don't think timbre matching is going to be nearly as important for an overhead just due to the spatial response of your ears. Dolby certainly doesn't see to have an issue using a different speaker for it.

With that decided, the only other consideration might be to go ahead and get the two extra speakers for the side surrounds. I can't remember for sure, but aren't you planning a side array? Are you planning to put your sides in front of or just behind the listeners? I just recently connected my second row sides, and I was surprised that there is very little difference in the front row, and that's with no additional processing. You could probably run the extra sides and just see if you like it or not without any DSP to begin with.
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You could probably run the extra sides and just see if you like it or not without any DSP to begin with.
That's the only wildcard in my mind right now. I think I might go with 6 to get the arrays - since I don't absolutely require any additional processing to run them, and at 95dB sensitivity I could probably just run them in parallel off a single amp channel (Sherbourn 150W/channel). I haven't seen (or don't remember seeing and can't find) an impedance plot, but they're nominal 8Ohms.
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On my to do list for today was:
- Order Surround Speakers - check!
- Call someone about a source for reclaimed wood (for the walls) - waiting on reply...
- plan rack

I downloaded MA's rackbuilder software so that I could have some standardized framework to start with. The rails I've got are about 61", so that looks like 35ru. In this image, I've added the components I either already have, or expect to have (or a close approximation). It leaves me with about 8ru open.

I'm a little paranoid that I have left my speaker cables a little short in the closet, so I put the amp(s) near the top. Signal wires will get managed to the rack's left (right in this image) with power at the bottom and on the rack's right (left in this image)

From top to bottom, I have:
1 - Sherbourn PA7-150 7-channel amp - 4ru
2 - Open space - 1ru
3 - Pioneer VSX 1120-K Receiver - 4ru (though it is a little short I think)
4 - Open space - 1ru
5 - Behringer EP4000 subwoofer amp - 2ru
6 - Behringer EP4000 subwoofer amp - 2ru
7 - Open space - 1ru
9 - Blu-ray Player - 2ru (needs shelf)
10 - HTPC - 4ru
11 - Open space - 1ru
12 - Server - 4ru
13 - Unassigned - 8ru
14 - Power Sequencer - 1ru



Maybe I'm pretty close, actually? I should probably have a drawer for 3D glasses and remotes - that's about 4ru. What am I forgetting? What rule am I breaking?

I was thinking I would vent from above, but not use rack space to do it, but maybe I shouldn't. Maybe I should find a rack-mount vent solution? That would be another 4ru, right? Edit: that's no good. The glass door covers all the rack units, and I would want the rack to vent with the door closed.

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6 it is.

Great!

Hard part is done.......now Moar building!

Good call on side arrays.........huge difference in audio!
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That's the only wildcard in my mind right now. I think I might go with 6 to get the arrays - since I don't absolutely require any additional processing to run them, and at 95dB sensitivity I could probably just run them in parallel off a single amp channel (Sherbourn 150W/channel). I haven't seen (or don't remember seeing and can't find) an impedance plot, but they're nominal 8Ohms.
Well, you beat me to it! This is what I was going to suggest You can start looking for a multi-channel amp and just wait on that "just right" deal to come along. You're not in any rush on this. Those Sherbourn amps are well built, so I wouldn't worry about running your surrounds in parallel until you find an amp to drive those extra sides and your ATMOS speakers as well.

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I like your rack planning. I use data center style racks, but the same concepts apply here.
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I'm a little paranoid that I have left my speaker cables a little short in the closet, so I put the amp(s) near the top. Signal wires will get managed to the rack's left (right in this image) with power at the bottom and on the rack's right (left in this image).
You could put a patch panel in the closet to terminate the speaker wires from your room. No worries then on wires to the amps.

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You could put a patch panel in the closet to terminate the speaker wires from your room. No worries then on wires to the amps.
Thanks guys!

The patch panel idea has crossed my mind. I'm not philosophically opposed to it or something, I just don't want to do it...
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On my to do list for today was:
- Order Surround Speakers - check!
- Call someone about a source for reclaimed wood (for the walls) - waiting on reply...
- plan rack

I downloaded MA's rackbuilder software so that I could have some standardized framework to start with. The rails I've got are about 61", so that looks like 35ru. In this image, I've added the components I either already have, or expect to have (or a close approximation). It leaves me with about 8ru open.

I'm a little paranoid that I have left my speaker cables a little short in the closet, so I put the amp(s) near the top. Signal wires will get managed to the rack's left (right in this image) with power at the bottom and on the rack's right (left in this image)

From top to bottom, I have:
1 - Sherbourn PA7-150 7-channel amp - 4ru
2 - Open space - 1ru
3 - Pioneer VSX 1120-K Receiver - 4ru (though it is a little short I think)
4 - Open space - 1ru
5 - Behringer EP4000 subwoofer amp - 2ru
6 - Behringer EP4000 subwoofer amp - 2ru
7 - Open space - 1ru
9 - Blu-ray Player - 2ru (needs shelf)
10 - HTPC - 4ru
11 - Open space - 1ru
12 - Server - 4ru
13 - Unassigned - 8ru
14 - Power Sequencer - 1ru



Maybe I'm pretty close, actually? I should probably have a drawer for 3D glasses and remotes - that's about 4ru. What am I forgetting? What rule am I breaking?

I was thinking I would vent from above, but not use rack space to do it, but maybe I shouldn't. Maybe I should find a rack-mount vent solution? That would be another 4ru, right? Edit: that's no good. The glass door covers all the rack units, and I would want the rack to vent with the door closed.
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I like your rack planning. I use data center style racks, but the same concepts apply here.

Good idea to go with the racks... makes things so much easier!


BTW here is one of mine, this one serves the rest of the house, not the HT which is under construction... (not sure why the pictures show up in landscape mode?)
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Technically, this was on the calendar for yesterday, but...



I glued this (and its identical buddy) up long ago. Today, I cut the hole for the speakon connector(s) and installed the wiring.



Who pays full price for stuffing?





Yeah, it's dirty. Ask me if I am concerned?

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Dirty!
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Yeah, it's dirty. Ask me if I am concerned?

Are you concerned?
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I am not concerned.

I will literally go buy cheap black sheets to drape over them if they need to be dark while behind the screen wall. They are done.
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Starting to fall behind on my schedule. I took off yesterday morning to go see Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation at the AMC Prime near town. Do yourself a favor and check it out. I think it's my favorite of the series so far. I really like Ghost Protocol, but I think this might edge it out - especially in a theater with good sound. The cinematography is outstanding, IMO, though I don't think the HDR grade really did much for the image (Tomorrowland looked much more natural, while Rogue Nation continues to look like movies as we know them). The Atmos track is superb, with excellent use of discreet directionality and absolutely killer dynamics; there are a couple gunshots that feel real enough to make me jump in my seat. There is a chase sequence that I think it my favorite all-time; really great driving in a cool little BMW. Overall I think the movie probably has one extra set-piece, but I couldn't say which one should go. Great pacing and story-telling. I remember the first in the series for being hard to follow, but this one strikes a great balance of double-crosses and wacky twists with just enough exposition and explanation.

In theater news:
- I received the first of to EP4000s that I have ordered (ebay). The second is due in late this week.
- I have not heard from Erich about my Volt 10 order, but the payment has been processed. It went through a couple days before he announced the current slow-down for new products and site changes. If I remember correctly, there wasn't much for details in communication from him last time I ordered; so I'm neither surprised nor concerned, but I would like to know when I can expect the shipment.
- I still haven't scheduled the drywall finisher to come in, because I still haven't finished buttoning up the soffits. :/ Getting closer - that's what I should be doing right now.
- I had hoped to buy my wood for the walls this weekend, but that hasn't happened either. The nearest supplier I have found is not available on weekends. Now that I work 8-5 Monday through Friday, that becomes a bit of a stumbling block. I have a message out to them and hope to get that squared away this week (crosses fingers).
- I had allotted evenings this coming week to building Volt 10s, but it looks like I will be using that time to catch up on closet framing and drywall. At least I have those materials on hand.

Here's a goofy question (or two): For the SeeTouch wall station I need for the GrafikEye - does it need a part number starting in "SO" exclusively? I imagine that the "QS" wall stations are incompatible and that the "SG" wallstations are better for screens. Do I have that right? And should it be mounted at the common wall switch height? I feel like I would be happier with it higher, so that I can see it - is that misguided?
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Hi Fred,


I mounted my Seetouch keypad in the theater at 54" -- I also like them a bit higher. Higher is also better when trying to control it with your remote.


I'm not up on all the latest numbering, but I have an excellent local guy who helps me out with all things Lutron. PM me if you want to get in touch with him; I'm sure he'd be happy to help out.


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That's what sounds comfortable to me, but I did just read that the buttons are tilted up a little so that you can see them from above. I just got notification that my order has shipped. I'll wait to see what it feels like in person.

In other good news: I just got off the phone with the guy from Georgia Front Porch who was recommended as a source for some reclaimed wood. I'll be going up there Saturday to probably bring home what I need.

He said he wants $2 per piece, and each piece is about 3sqft. Sounds super reasonable for my ~400sqft needs. Mostly he has cypress - 6" nominal, 5/8" thick, in varying lengths up to about 6'. Sounds good to me.
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That's what sounds comfortable to me, but I did just read that the buttons are tilted up a little so that you can see them from above. I just got notification that my order has shipped. I'll wait to see what it feels like in person.

In other good news: I just got off the phone with the guy from Georgia Front Porch who was recommended as a source for some reclaimed wood. I'll be going up there Saturday to probably bring home what I need.

He said he wants $2 per piece, and each piece is about 3sqft. Sounds super reasonable for my ~400sqft needs. Mostly he has cypress - 6" nominal, 5/8" thick, in varying lengths up to about 6'. Sounds good to me.

$0.67 per sf is extremely reasonable..........around my parts, people pay a premium for reclaimed wood.......think $4-5 per square depending on species and condition even more!
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$0.67 per sf is extremely reasonable..........around my parts, people pay a premium for reclaimed wood.......think $4-5 per square depending on species and condition even more!
That's what I expected! The one price listing I found online was about ten times more.
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That's what I expected! The one price listing I found online was about ten times more.

Yup........."shabby chic" is in and people are willing to pay BIG BUCKS! Ten times that price doesn't shock me..........
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One might think that since I have been spending money like it's going out of style that I enjoy it. I don't, but I'm getting what I want - so that's great. My second EP4000 arrived today and I got notification from Erich that my 6 Volt 10 LX's shipped. I'm still expecting a SeeTouch panel (SG-4SN-MN) next week.

I've been putting off scheduling the drywall finisher for a couple weeks now. Every time I think I can just pin up the last of the drywall and get that scheduled, something comes up. I'm almost there - hopefully this weekend.

Along those lines, I've started trying to finalize a projector choice. I am getting a little lost in the details, and wonder if any of you have a good grasp on where the sweet spot in the market is.

I have a few firm needs - but really only a few. Still, I think that narrows me down to one of two manufacturers and only a handful of models. I must have powered zoom and focus with memory. So that means Panasonic AE7000, or AE8000 or JVC. I am very interested in black level, so I am leaning to JVC. Throw will be between 15 and 16 ft (probably closer to 15, depending on size of projector, etc). Screen target is 50" tall, CIH. So that's 50"x88" (100+ diag) for 1.78 and 50"x119" (129" diag) for 2.39 or thereabouts. That should get me into the low 20s FL brightness with a new bulb with a JVC RS4910 - so that should be plenty and even good for 3D (not a priority, but might be nice). That's all according to Projector Central's calculator for a JVC DLA-RS4910. The Panasonic AE8000 doesn't come out as bright (according to the calculator) but the throw and zoom range is adequate for my image size needs for both projectors. An older JVC HD250 dims down to under 10FL - not very good.

So where is the sweet spot? I know the Panasonics are significantly less pricey... I haven't seen them in person, but I have a hard time imagining the differences among the E-shift2 JVCs. The difference between 60,000:1 and 80,000:1 contrast ratio sounds like nothing.
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