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Bullitt5094's Avatar Bullitt5094
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I have a 14wide x 19ft long x 10-12ft ceiling dedicated HT room under construction. See Bullitt HT. It will have a permanent wall mounted Cinemascope Carada 136" screen. I have the following B&W speakers available in my collection... A pair of 804s, pair of 604s, pair of 602s, a HTM1 and a 6 series center channel (don't remember the PN on that one). I am considering purchasing at least one pair of DS3 to play with Dipole stuff. The amp will be a factory upgraded B&K AVR317 which is 7.1 capable.
I'm of course using the 804s and HTM1 up front with the HTM1 just below the screen, but what are suggestions for what to use and what positons to put the remaining speakers. And no, I don't feel the need to use all of them just because I have them. Right now I'm considering starting with the 602s as side channel, and the 604s as rear channel. Does that make sense? I'm also tempted to go totally the other way with DS3s on the side and back. I also have the 6 series center that could be used as a rear center also. There will be a lot of trials done once the room is built but I was just interested in what suggestions I would get for a starting point. Lots of cool stuff to play with anyway. Considered putting this in the B&W or general Speaker thread but I'm thinking it's more of a Dedicated HT question.

Thanks!
Elill's Avatar Elill
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Sell them and buy decent rears......
Brad Horstkotte's Avatar Brad Horstkotte
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I'd do the 604s as side surrounds and 602s as rear surrounds.
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Sell them and buy decent rears......

That's a seriously helpful comment.
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I'd do the 604s as side surrounds and 602s as rear surrounds.

I've always thought the rears were more important than the sides, but the more I research the more I think you're right. That's certainly a configuration I'll try.
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That's a seriously helpful comment.

Suit yourself - there is a reason why towers aren't used as rears....at least put them on stands if you intend on using them.

You might want to have a read of THIS thread for explanation re the type
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Suit yourself - there is a reason why towers aren't used as rears....at least put them on stands if you intend on using them.

You might want to have a read of THIS thread for explanation re the type

Neither the DS3 or the 602s are towers. Why didn't you suggest I use those as rears instead of suggesting I "sell the rears"? Did you read the post?
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"Right now I'm considering starting with the 602s as side channel, and the 604s as rear channel"

604s are towers aren't they?

Sorry, I'm not trying to be difficult, perhaps I have misinterpreted what you said.

Why wouldn't you just use the DS3's?

Really depends on the layout of your room etc - its not what I'd call small
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The question was, how to congfigure the speakers I have available. What are suggestions for utilizing them. I, for a number of years, have had the 804/HTM1 as fronts and 604s as rears in a "media room" family room configuration with Mitsubishi 65" CRT RPTV. They actually worked very well. The fronts are dynamic enough to have a friend crawl over our couch one time to avoid the turbine sound in the opening scene of Castaway. The question is, with the new dedicated HT room, what to do with the sides and backs. I don't own DS3s yet but may buy them if I'm convinced Dipoles are the way to go for the sides and rears since I'm going to a 7.1 configuration now in the new dedicated HT.

Again, I have the following speakers available, 804s, HTM1, 604s, 602s and 600 series center channel. I'm considering buying DS3s if they would provide a significantly improved surround experience. I also like that they provide both Dipole and Monopole capabilities at the flip of a front switch. Monopole may lend itself to a better multichannel SACD experience and dipole for movies.
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Since it was mentioned, do not use a rear center.
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Since it was mentioned, do not use a rear center.

Agreed. I know some films were actually done in EX which I believe is discrete for 6.1, but I really don't see an advantage of a center rear if you have LR Rears, also.
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FWIW, I bought a set of DS3s and I'm using them for the sides. I had a set of BW Solids that I mounted from the ceiling in the rear. Solids voice very well with the DS7. I'm extremely pleased with the surround effects used in conjunction with my 804s and HTM2 front stage speakers. (I miss-posted that my center was an HTM1 earlier. Wishful thinking. Sorry!) It all seems really seamless and you get distinct images all around the room. I put the 600 series to work in the game room where I recently mounted a 60" Samsung for gaming applications. A LOT less lag than the projector I don't put hours on the bulb gaming either. Finally I am ultimately impressed with the DS3. They are excellent in the side application in Dipole mode.
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I'm using DS3s as Sides and CM5s as rears to match up with CM9s and CMC2 in the front. Haven't gotten them all hooked up yet or calibrated properly, but they sound good nonetheless.
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I think you'll love it. Welcome to B&W Theater sound. I'm really amazed how well my 804s work in both music (of course) and theater modes. A few told me they didn't have the output for a HT application. Believe me, they do. Very clean and they provide great imaging. I'm sure your CM9s will work extremely well.
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You don't happen to live in north Texas do you?
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Houston.
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Cool, your room is almost the same size as mine. I ended up with klipsch but in hindsight wish I could've heard some B&Ws
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