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Hey guys. I'm still pretty new here but i love what I see! I've got a question for you pro's...

I'm currently in the process of designing a house plan with a builder and am planning to include a theater space in the basement under the kitchen. Right now, i have a 16'x16' room spec'd but after talking with the builder, I could extend that area and make it something closer to 16'x28' (3 sides surrounded by concrete). This change would cost me about $12,500. My question is would this be a worthwhile expense? or would a smaller square room be fine and I would be better putting that money toward speakers/video or other?

I should add that my goal for either size room would be an entirely dedicated room for movies on the big screen with false wall/sound isolation/tiered seating etc... I have a limit of course to what I can spend though, but I want to make sure i do it right. Thanks in advance.
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Spend the 12,500...worthwhile.

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Spend the 12,500...worthwhile.

Thanks for the quick reply Dennis! Can you elaborate on why? It would help in convincing my wife lol
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You're getting additional space for ~$65/sq. ft. That is a steal in my area.

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A 16 x 28 room will be much easier to fit multiple rows. My room was 15 x 33 but I was left with 15 x 28 after I built a chamber at one end for subs. One extra foot of width would have been ideal - I could have done a bit bigger screen and moved one seat a bit more distance from the wall. You might want to take a look at how my room was arranged since it is similar to yours and I also have 3 walls with concrete on the sides. I was forced to have my entry to the theater be at the back of the room.

How tall are your ceilings? - this is another area where spending a bit of extra money might be worth it. Is this just extending the basement or does that price also extend the main floor?
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Well this is also something I'm debating. Right now I have 9ft ceilings spec'd in the basement without any drop down for HVAC (looking at possibly doing an open-web joist system to put all HVAC up inside the ceiling).
I could go another foot higher to 10ft for the whole basement, but WITH a drop down in the middle of the theater room for HVAC (no open-joist system), which i think would suck to work with, but I get the higher ceiling everywhere else for about the same cost (2k more)..

Not sure on which I prefer here either.
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oh, and yes that price does extend the pantry/laundry room upstairs further into the garage area so that is finished cost for that floor too.
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Thanks for the quick reply Dennis! Can you elaborate on why? It would help in convincing my wife lol

You are not extending the basement! You are extending the house so the pantry and laundry area will be more functional, convenient, and provide more cabinet/storage space in the house. (Clearly you haven't been married very long nor taken a course in wife negotiations. )

There is a long and significant list of acoustical reasons; but, let's focus on wifey reasons.

- 16' wide will accommodate a nice sized screen; but, 16' of depth will not support seating distances for two rows of seats with a "nice sized screen".
- With the short depth, your back row will be against the back wall (bad for acoustics). With recliners your seating platform will force your front row to 10' away from the front wall. With a screen wall, that screen will have to be at least 2' to 3' in front of the front wall putting the screen 7' to 8' away from the front row (your screen width (max) would be 7' to 8' wide). Way too close for a big screen.
- With two rows, the room will look to be "overstuffed", cramped and not at all an inviting space to plop in for two hours.
- You'll have a big 16' wide wall with a dinky white spot in the middle called a screen.

HVAC...make certain your HVAC contractor installs both a supply and return in the room. Don't let them argue with you ... you want, will have either both a supply and return in the room or you will have a different HVAC contractor. Don't let them run duct work below the joists down the middle of the space ... it must be run next to the walls.

Avoid plumbing that will be below the joists...if there is no other choice, it should run adjacent to the walls.

The entry door should not be in the front or rear but on a side wall approximately 1/3rd the length of the wall from the front. If you have no choice but a rear entry, do not put the door in the middle of the back wall.

With only two rows, I (me personally) would not spend the money to increase the ceiling height.

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Well this is also something I'm debating. Right now I have 9ft ceilings spec'd in the basement without any drop down for HVAC (looking at possibly doing an open-web joist system to put all HVAC up inside the ceiling).
I could go another foot higher to 10ft for the whole basement, but WITH a drop down in the middle of the theater room for HVAC (no open-joist system), which i think would suck to work with, but I get the higher ceiling everywhere else for about the same cost (2k more)..

Not sure on which I prefer here either.

Make it clear that you want the 9' ceilings to be a full 9' floor to joists. In my last house they poured the floor deep and I ended up with 7'8" instead of 8'.
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Thanks again for the advice guys. I'm pretty sure my wife will go for the extension to make the laundry/pantry room (uh hem... theater room) 16'x28'. I just need to remind her that bigger is always better =)...

I think ideally I would like 2 rows of seating with a bar and chairs/stools behind the second row. Do i have enough depth for this along with a screen wall and stage?

Am I right in hearing that I should just get the 9' un-obstructed ceilings throughout the basement instead of the 10' with bulkhead HVAC drop down? I was under the impression that if possible, 10' would be "better" for that space if i could get it, but i could definitely be wrong.
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