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Nice work Psychdoc, as always!! It looks like you are going to break the typical "100 hour" mark for one of these things. Everyone I know who has one said it was the biggest PITA but also one of the most rewarding once it was finished.

Are you using the FOSI recommended method of attachment by slicing a small triangle in the fabric, screwing the panel to blocking and then folding the fabric back into position? I ask because aside from the potential tangle of fiber optic wires, it seems like the panel mounting is going very smoothly. Second question - are you using some sort of biscuits or doweling on the edges to keep the panels aligned or are you using the blocking and extra screws to help you with that?
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Thanks guys. Kind words of encouragement certainly does help:). trek- I wouldn't say it's been easy. If I were doing it all by myself my opinion wouldn't be so positive. tongue.gif

Air- now you've put the pressure on. I hope it comes out well too. biggrin.gif

TMcG- very kind but compared to your ceiling in your living room on your thread, this project is tinker toys. To answer your questions, I have been using the cut triangle flap method and it works perfectly as long as you use a ton of locktite 200 adhesive spray. On the second point, I've been using lots of spacer blocks, more than called upon in the plans. With my four big subs shaking everything I wanted to make sure it all stayed in place. This method also allowed me to make all the edges perfectly even without biscuits. It also helps to have a few extra hands compressing each panel against each other for perfect seams. The only downside is ensuring no wires get pinched between the ceiling and all those spacer blocks. Lots of tape needed (see previous pics) is needed to guide the river of fiber optic cable. wink.gif
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It's easy to drive from the back seat...just a thought... What if you brought all of the cables to one or two (if you wanted to keep the red separate from the blue) points at the side of the corner closest to the mid point of the room and then had a direct route, past all the block locations for the next sheets, over to the exit hole, so that you aren't fighting random cables to get them away from the blocks of the next sheet? Or would there be too much bulk in the bundle?

Could you rig some "tippy-toes" on the DW lift to keep from crushing the cables?

Good to see your Dad is getting you back to work. biggrin.gif

And that TMcG character has been slacking off too. Maybe your Dad should go there next! biggrin.gif

...and then my place...
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Jim, as always you have some thoughtful points and questions. On the first point it would make some very thick cable bundles, probably too thick. The "tippy-toes" idea we fully considered. I factored in the time to make sturdy functional spikes vs using a few extra hands to place the panel in the best location. For me it was faster to skip the spikes but if you only have one or two people I would think it would be required. If you accidentally crush a cable (which I have done about seven times so far) you only need to pull some extra cable through the board a half inch or so and you should be fine.

I'll tell my dad your comments, he'll get a chuckle out of it. Watch out though, he loves the northern area in summertime...he might be cracking the whip on you in just a few months biggrin.gif
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I'd need it to get off my...chair. wink.gif

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My SONY VPL-VW1000ES upgrade kit arrived!!!!! smile.gif I know lots of people are following this kit and if it will make a difference on Sony's flagship 4K projector. I hope it does. Unfortunately I've already hit a snag... an uninformed Sony worker. According to the directions straight in the packet included in the package is a number to call for a Sony tech to come to your house and install the new hardware (once you have placed your projector on a table). Of course, the lady at Sony wanted to argue with me that Sony doesn't make house calls on this. I decided to read the note from Sony included in the box to her on the phone and she still wanted to give me attitude. Geeeeez!!! rolleyes.gif Once it gets installed I'll let you all know how true 4K looks on my 11.5 ft wide 2.35 screen. biggrin.gif

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Do you think Sony has a uniformed worker on your island, I've saw the Sony at Cedia and think you will be very happy.
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And that TMcG character has been slacking off too. Maybe your Dad should go there next! biggrin.gif

Ouch!!! biggrin.gif

I've only been slacking off in my thread, not with actual progress which has been significant in the basement and a bit in the theater itself.

But, to your point, I'd gladly take Psychdoc's Dad's help....seems like a natural for FOSI star ceilings!! tongue.gif
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Do you think Sony has a uniformed worker on your island, I've saw the Sony at Cedia and think you will be very happy.

No, they just have uninformed. biggrin.gif

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Definitely WANT TO SEE!!!
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Big- great to hear it will look good smile.gif

TMcG- Yes, we both like working on ceilings... he's 6' 6" and I'm 6' 5" so ceilings are much more friendly than floors wink.gif

PGT- I want to see it too.

Today's football games slowed progress significantly (GO PATS!!) but I was still able to get some work done... I'll post the most recent pic tomorrow morning. Here is a pic prior to mounting another panel which shows the shooting stars. As long as you take good measurements you'll keep the angles of the shooting stars true. Keeping those star fibers organized and numbered was a bigger pain in the butt than it should have been. Still, it's coming along well so far smile.gif

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Update pic! Here is the panel that went up. The hard part will be making a perfect panel around my projector and ISCO lens mount. You can also see that the shooting stars have been taped lengthwise. I've been informed that there is a bit of light transfer laterally between cables which affects the shooting stars and comets negatively. As such, I'll be taping those strands to keep light out of the ones which should be dark. Let the fun begin. wink.gif

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The next piece getting ready for glue and fabric. This is the funky piece around the projector and ISCO mount. Getting closer wink.gif

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All the ceiling panels are installed. Keeping track of the two comets' correct firing order was a ROYAL PAIN IN THE BUTT. Thankfully I'm almost done. eek.gif My back is killing me.

I'll still need to make a wooden channel to cover the fibers as well as cut all the fibers. And, of course, I now have to sort through this massive collection of fibers and install them in the light. Still another 10-15 hours left of work to do then the FOSI star ceiling will be done. biggrin.gif

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Not too far away from the truth Nick



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Amazing as always, psychdoc.

After this project I bet you'll have renewed appreciation for your next DNA helix! cool.gif

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Thanks Hanesian, very kind of you to say. I also agree with you, Watson and Crick were really working on their own star ceiling and just decided to call the mess DNA.

Here are a couple pics showing some more progress:



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Hey Doc...If I'm not mistaken, I think you have fiber 1,345 and fiber 1,346 reversed.

Isn't this the kind of therapy they give someone when their brain blows a gasket? biggrin.gif

I just love to watch someone with patience, work.

The finish line is juuust around the corner! Great work, my friend!

Can you narrow down the date a little when your Dad is getting here? wink.gif

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Hey Jim, I got a chuckle from the fiber reversed statement. I felt like pulling all the fibers out of my head while putting all the fiber optic cable in place. I think I was way ahead of the typical pace prior to this step. Putting in the fibers took me around 11 hours !!!!!! eek.gif I have to be over 100 hours by now. My neck and back were sooooo cramped. Thankfully that is done:



I then needed to install the light engine so everything would fit correctly and still work:




Don't worry about the black cord.... it plugs in up inside the soffit:



I can't say that my camera really does it justice. My camera is terrible in low light so please keep that in mind. Also, I have yet to trim the fibers hanging from the ceiling so things may look distorted. Still, as it is.... it's pretty darn cool wink.gif Also, if you look closely you can see that my comets and shooting stars are all near the light source which, in theory, should give me extra fiber optic cable (lots of it). I also took a gamble and thought there would be extra holes in the plate that I could use. So you might ask where I'm going with this line of thought.... well, if you look closely at the right edge just past the light source there is a bright concentration grouping of stars. I couldn't help but write my name in the stars. hehe. It turned out great biggrin.gif (again, the camera is terrible so you can't really read it in the pic).



Thanks all for checking out my FOSI Star Ceiling build. Final ceiling pics to follow as well as learning points (AAR for those military types out there) for those who also want to make their FOSI ceiling.
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Hmmm. Maybe something else for the wish list...do you come as a package deal with your Dad? rolleyes.gif

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Great job Psychdoc. Let's see....over 100 hours in 12 days...that's huge progress!! Fastest I've ever seen one of these ceilings installed, that's for sure.

You may want to refer to THIS POST in Moggie's build when you go to trim all of the fibers hanging down (assuming you don't already have it done with the speed you are moving!). He made a really nice ghetto tool for the hot knife wire cutter to keep all the cuts consistent with no danger of burning the fabric. I assume you borrowed the FOSI cutter for this part of the project as not many folks have a hot knife!

How do you plan to cover the fibers between the panels and running into your soffit on the theater side? Just curious on how you're going to hide that.
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Congrats! Every time you walk into your HT you will appreciate and smile and that beautiful star celling.... One for it's beauty, and two for all of the hard work that went into it! Awesome!!!
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Thanks guys. It was great getting it up on the ceiling but another vacation was chewed up in the process. rolleyes.gif After spending so much time in that room I am both excited and relieved to be slowly approaching the finish line. I'll need to turn my attention to the unfinished portions of the house so I can hit final inspection and get this whole house done. I still have a lot of finish work to do in the home theater though. My guess is that it won't be completely done for a couple more months.... lots of trim work to do and I still need to make my corner frames for my bass traps.... does it ever really end?

Jim.... Another set of hands REALLY helps while trying to mount the finished panels. If you were down the street I'd be over there to help ya in a heartbeat provided you provide the pizza and beer. wink.gif

TMcG..... thanks for the link, I'll need to check it out. Right now I'm doing it with great care but hopefully there is a faster process of cutting down the wire without burning fabric.

You don't like the look of the wires????? I think it looks great. Seriously though, yes, I'll need to cover all the wires and that is the project I'm going to work on as soon as this post is complete .

My little girl's birthday party this weekend so lots to do now... more pics to follow. Thanks all. smile.gif
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Here is the channel that was built (my dad built this while I was working on other parts.... thanks pops!):



I was able to cut all the fibers and it was a pretty quick event, less than a couple of hours and the little tool created by another in the link above worked out very well - Thanks TMcG. I just used it at an angle and ran it across the ceiling. It cut all the fibers at 1/8 of an inch in no time at all. After they are cut I just pushed them up. All done. biggrin.gif Here is a pic of my crapsmanship... uh, I mean craftsmanship wink.gif It took me all of about 30 seconds to build this (and it shows). Still, it worked perfectly and I never burned the ceiling.



I also wanted to show the adhesive spray I used. I tried some 3M sprays and they didn't really work. This worked great !!!! :



I have a question for those FOSI builders out there..... are all your stars the natural color? I remember asking for color plates to have my stars twinkle with some colors (maybe just the milky way) but they are all the exact natural color you'd see in the stars. Not that I'm complaining because it is beautiful and I love it......... I'm just thinking of a way to make it a little better. I just don't know if they actually tried to give me color plates and their version just doesn't work or if they just forgot to add that in my shipment. I'm thinking of just smudging some blue water color paint on that portion of the wheel but would love to hear if anyone out there has colors in their stars and if it is noticeable. Thanks.

Quick learning points from my build that will help the next guy out there with no experience:

If you have more than one shooting star in a FOSI build, do not put them near each other. I was under the assumption they would both come on at the same time. They don't. In my version I spaced it out on the insert plate so each shooting star would take different times to cross the ceiling but they would run parallel to each other. The way it is now, it looks like the same shooting star is crossing the ceiling. Oh well, live and learn.

Another AVS member let me know about light leakage. All the bundles of fibers give off light and can leak into adjacent fibers. He was upset that his comets and shooting stars never really turned off completely. I wrapped each bundle with tape (like a hockey stick) and it worked perfectly. When my comets and shooting stars are off, they are OFF!

Depending on your build (mine is 12' x 18') you will have lots of extra holes in the milky way and constellations (see my plate above). Have fun with them if you want, just make sure you have enough fiber optic cable. If you need more I found some (exact size and brand- ESKA CK-40) for much less on the internet then what is sold to you through FOSI. I put my name in the side of my ceiling but wished I added a date and maybe some other small hidden things.

Unroll the black cloth the same way on top of each board in the same way. With the exception of one board I went from left to right on each board that was set up correctly in the orientation in which they would be mounted. Looking up I can see a slight shade difference in that one board (slightly lighter in color). My dad can see it too but only with the light on full brightness. No one else can see it so far but I can. rolleyes.gif Think of it like a carpet that just got vacuumed; you can make tracks in it with each different way you force the fibers to go with the vacuum. Brushing the fibers doesn't really help so just keep this point in mind. Use the same routine for EVERY board (set the board up in the orientation it's going up on the ceiling and then start on the same side and unroll the fabric every time). Overall, I love the fabric look. I can't imagine using paint as I think it would be a lot less forgiving.

I'll add more points if I think of them.......
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Great points Psychdoc, thanks for sharing. I didn't know about the light bleed for the meteor and comet. And great point about the fabric. There are so many things to know and watch out for it's unbelievable.

Do you mind posting a link to the spot you found the fiber optic cable for less? And do you know what kind of fabric you used? Is it Lockfast Prelude in the Eclipse black?

I'm glad you were able to save a lot of time with the fiber optic "Y" cutter. All credit to Moggie (Saga of Old Vic) on that one.
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Seems like it must be my job to bring this thread back up when it is not been attended to by the owner...biggrin.gif Hey Matt, How is it going... Any more updates.... Photos....???

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Hi Jim,

Sorry about that. Between academic Army training and a good long vacation back in NH for some skiing I've taken a long break. Only minor updates so far but I still have a bunch of work to do after final inspection. I've been saying that forever but still need to finish another bathroom first.

My Sony 4K projector is scheduled for the "update" this coming monday and I had another recent update on the Control4 software. The two things that really transform the HT experience in a very big way are Control4 and the Kaleidescape system. I still get a big grin when playing with both systems.

The family loves having "movie night" every friday night. The kids are excited to see Frozen. We've all been watching lots of movies and I'll also be able to see my Iowa State Cyclones in their full glory in March Madness starting tomorrow afternoon.

TMcG.... I finally set a reminder to make sure I bring my leftover fiber optic cable to work. The only Fedex on the island is by the airport and there hasn't been any reason to be in that area. Still, I'll sneak out during lunch and get it out to you (finally).

I'll chime in and share my view of the update after it happens. On my 11.5 ft wide screen I'm hoping to see a difference.
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Sorry about that. Between academic Army training and a good long vacation back in NH for some skiing I've taken a long break. Only minor updates so far but I still have a bunch of work to do after final inspection. I've been saying that forever but still need to finish another bathroom first.

My Sony 4K projector is scheduled for the "update" this coming monday and I had another recent update on the Control4 software. The two things that really transform the HT experience in a very big way are Control4 and the Kaleidescape system. I still get a big grin when playing with both systems.

The family loves having "movie night" every friday night. The kids are excited to see Frozen. We've all been watching lots of movies and I'll also be able to see my Iowa State Cyclones in their full glory in March Madness starting tomorrow afternoon.

TMcG.... I finally set a reminder to make sure I bring my leftover fiber optic cable to work. The only Fedex on the island is by the airport and there hasn't been any reason to be in that area. Still, I'll sneak out during lunch and get it out to you (finally).

I'll chime in and share my view of the update after it happens. On my 11.5 ft wide screen I'm hoping to see a difference.

Matt,

Glad to see your alive and enjoying your theater... How did the upgrade go on the 1000ES? I have my kit but have not schedule the appointment which I plan on doing this week.

Anything left to do on the HT or is it done... Looking forward to seeing some photos of the HT with everything completed.

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