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post #811 of 832 Old 04-30-2015, 11:09 PM
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Only one concern with sealing up the windows...Does the sun ever hit the windows? Heat build-up between the glass and the interior plywood could cause the glass to break. Could you replace the windows with an inset panel of stucco or siding or ???? to suit the exterior of your home? This way the "plugs" could be removed to go back to having windows.

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Jim,

Great point. I had not considered that. I'm very lucky that very little sun hits those windows after 10 am. Still, I think I'll check out some cheap tinting options that can decrease the heat a bit. Thanks again for pointing that out.
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Construction moves on…. time for two layers of 5/8ths drywall, each with green glue.

Here is the left side at the start:



A pic of a panel getting some green glue. I'm a little surprised the stuff seams completely unchanged after all this time:



Fast forward a bit. Both layers applied with green glue and caulking around all the edges.



Time for the next step… building the layers for the sapele wood and making an insert for the acoustic panel so each wall is a perfect match:



More to be done today...
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Just wondering if you could drill a 1" hole at the bottom and top of the window space and insert a piece of PVC pipe with a 90 and a length of horizontally oriented pipe behind the breathable(?) baffles to allow for a little air flow to equalize the pressure and keep the space cooler. How much sound would leak out a length of 3/4" pipe (fits a 1" hole) with a 90 degree bend in it?

I think the film would have to be silvered. Black or dark might actually absorb more heat onto the glass surface.

When I inserted leaded glass into a thermal pane, I had to use clear glass instead of the low-e because of the concern of heat build-up in the "triple glass sandwich".

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Ok, now you're making me paranoid. I'll tint the heck out of it and see if it gets hot. If it really does need additional help I'll need to defeat some of the sound proofing but to be honest, it was overkill already and any sound escaping through the windows didn't bother anyone up until now.

I was busy most of the day and a good amount of work took place.

First I cut the maple ply and covered the area that the sapele was going:



I had to dig out my old supplies and they were still as good as new:



I measured ten times and cut once. It was PERFECT!!!! Then I slopped the glue on and used my handy trowel and mounted the panel. It look great until……… SON OF A B&%*$…… THE STRIPES ARE GOING THE WRONG WAY…….I just wasted at least an hour (I cut all the panels I needed and they were all wrong! UGH! Oh well…. another lesson learned



So I fixed them:



On to making frames with my old supply of acoustically transparent cloth



And installed my sharp doodads…. I forget what they are really called and have no idea what they are really used for… other than acoustic panels.



Stabbed the rigid fiberglass onto the tiny spikes while leaving room for the frame along all four edges:



Then installed the frames:



Tomorrow after the big fight I'll mount the trim I made to cover any gaps and make it look pretty….. hard day and frustrating at times but fun…. good luck everyone (again, if I can do it anyone can do it!)
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Some trim starting to go up and the cleanup begins for the big fight…

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Don't you tint windows from the inside? Every tint that I've ever seen, automotive, residential, commercial, etc all went on the inside.

Wouldn't that have needed to be done BEFORE sealing things up?

I've made mistakes during my construction where others said "I would do XXXXX before you do YYYYY" and I just kept cruising along as I just wanted to get done, and now regret not doing XXXXX...
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Hi Nick.... I found some online that are inside or outside. I really just need a white opaque adhesive like they do to the old jets in boneyards as no one can see these windows and no one is ever outside on that side of house besides me. Either way... not a huge problem to overcome in the big scheme of things.
I had a few people over for the fight to include Dr Jekyll from this forum (great to finally meet some fellow enthusiasts). The fight was a bit boring but you can't win them all.
I look forward to finishing all of the trim in the coming weeks as well as upgrading some equipment
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Hi Nick.... I found some online that are inside or outside. I really just need a white opaque adhesive like they do to the old jets in boneyards as no one can see these windows and no one is ever outside on that side of house besides me. Either way... not a huge problem to overcome in the big scheme of things.
I had a few people over for the fight to include Dr Jekyll from this forum (great to finally meet some fellow enthusiasts). The fight was a bit boring but you can't win them all.
I look forward to finishing all of the trim in the coming weeks as well as upgrading some equipment
It was great to swing by and meet the other Doc in person! Pretty damn impressive set up if I must say.
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Work on the last window begins. As stated previously, this is a change in plans. I had planned to block out all the windows but more and more I enjoy having the window open at night and feel a nice breeze. The sound loss out of the window doesn’t seem to bother the neighbors or she isn’t being completely honest every time I ask her, which has been numerous times. I plan to use a Lutron automatic shade once the construction around the window is complete.





There are two areas wheresound can escape from my room. The first is the door area which has been neutralized by using two heavy doors, both using gaskets to make them airtight. The second is near the window. At that area you can see the metal hat channel and all the heavy layers with green glue as well as the gap behind it. I needed something to fill the gap. What high-tech material did I use you ask? I used my kids’ old water noodles. They fit very tightly and I’ll fill in any small gaps with caulking. Now before anyone says that won’t work at all….I really don’t need it to work. As is, the room is a vault. Sitting above the room in our master bedroom you can only hear the lowest bass notes during explosions and in every other portion of the house you can’t hear anything. So the noodles might only help with 1db or so but it’s more for me to feel that no part of the room as been left untreated




Starting to work on the layers below the Sapele. If you look very closely, you can see two metal wires hanging down on the left side of the window in the gap of the two boards. I'm left guessing how the power and control wires will attach into my Control4 system but at least I've got two pull wires to handle such matters...



Up went the Sapele



Making the frame for the last acoustic panel



Up went the panel but I still need to work the the window now as well as put up trim to make it all look pretty....

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The sapele wood went in today. Time to buy a Serena lutron shade that I'll hook into Control4. The two pull wires are visible to the left.

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Here's a question for the wood experts out there: I've made all my various types of Sapele molding by hand, including some ornate crown molding. It all looks very good but, of course, a few of the joints don't look as good upon close inspection as something professionally made by machines costing six figures. This wouldn't be an issue with something you would paint as you would fill in the tiny gap with caulking and paint over it and it would look perfect. With hard wood, what do you do? I actually tried using color matched wood filler but that got messy quickly. Any other thoughts?

No one has ever mentioned any imperfections on any molding piece but I can see them when I get close enough and I'd love for it to be 100%perfect everywhere....

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mask the area you don't want to get messy, Mix sapele sawdust with a binder like wood glue (the old style that is not waterproof) until it is like cookie dough, smear in gap, remove tape, stain to match, Experiment first before diving in.

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Thanks Big!!!!!!!! That sounds like it would really work. I'll give it a try this weekend.

Trim went up on the acoustic panel that wraps around the window.



I planned on putting up a Lutron Serena but that seems highly problematic when integrating it with Control4. I'll hopefully put up instead a Lutron QS shade in red and get it all working with the help of Home Automation Hawaii. Fingers crossed......

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More updates....

I installed my next upgrade of amplification: a new Bryston 9B SST2. But first, I had to pull everything down and make room for a new shelf. I also installed a full camera/dvr system around the house for security on the other rack.



There is still a gap at the bottom as I need to ship my Parasound back for repairs but once it returns I'll have the total of 17 available channels of amplification for my next upgrade of Dolby Atmos and DTS:X. I'm hoping this is the year that Marantz or the others allow for 9.4.6 at a reasonable price. As soon as something is available that isn't insanely expensive I'll be ready. There isn't a huge rush, though, as it seems content has been slower than I expected....

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^^^^------ I am glad to see more here with Brystons. You just can't go wrong with a Bryston. I wish I could have afforded the 6Bsst. I really wanted one but decided I could always bridge my three 9Bsst into 300watt channels if need be down the road or BiAmp, a little more flexibility for DTS:X stuff later. Nice build, looks amazing. Keep the images coming
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Thanks gamest. Bryston are great, pricey, but great. That 20 year warranty is what really sells me.
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The next small update: better cooling for my exceptionally hot rack.

Top of my non-amp rack:


The new fan:


Fan in place:


The next upgrade is a Lutron Serena shade which is on the way. After that I'll take some nice full room pictures.
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Me likey a lot!! Nice set of upgrades you made there.

Speaking of Atmos / DTS-X....have you given any consideration to which speakers you'd like to use? Have you heard if Ariel Acoustics will be releasing a wide dispersion version of their speakers for ceiling channels? Early word on the street is that Emotiva will have a 9.2.6 processor called the XMR-1 sometime next year....which is Emotiva-speak for 2018.

Oh, you need to update your equipment list in the first post! It's amazing how many upgrades you've made already with your brand new theater!!
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Hi TMcG! Long time. I was just over on your thread checking out your work. My back is getting sore just seeing all the labor done and about to be done.

Yes, you are correct, there has been a lot of upgrades in this theater. I can see in your thread you've changed plans as well to hold more speakers for Atmos and the like. I like your wide channel solution!

I had not heard about the Emotiva 9.2.6 setup. That's exactly what I'm waiting for! I love my current Aerial Acoustic wides and don't want to give them up. There is a small chance that I could possibly get a used Datasat rs20i but even at used prices it's still VERY pricey! With things changing as fast as they seem to be and considering that the Datasat has been out for several years I'm really not sure the juice is worth the squeeze. I remember seeing an old post of yours and you said the same thing (staying away from cutting edge pre/pros as the year-to-year changes has been significant lately). That said, that is an upgrade my theater needs (the wife would argue otherwise ).

On the topic of speakers.... this has been the biggest difficulty. If you have a sound proof room you can't cut into the ceiling. That leaves mounting speakers. Mounting huge speakers on the ceiling would make a beautiful room quite ugly in my opinion. That leaves low profile and smaller bookshelf speakers, both of which have their set of difficulties. I don't think wide dispersion is enough. I'd like to be able to aim the speakers or have tweeters that can be aimed. Any low profile speaker typically has large dimensions and cannot to aimed. No speakers meant for a large room have tweeters that can be aimed. Ultimately, that leaves bookshelf speakers and to mount them at the best angle I suspect you'll need to drill into the cabinet In my opinion there just aren't any good solutions out there.... it's all about mitigating a list of semi-bad solutions. The list of solutions is so short I'm just considering throwing up some cheap Martin Logan motion speakers that are super small and hope that room equalization will cure what ails them. This is probably another reason why I've been slow with this final upgrade

Finally, I'd love to stay with my Aerial Acoustics but they don't seem to have a smaller solution for ceiling speakers. They have some new ones coming out but the dimensions are too big to adjust and aim. I could stay with Aerial Acoustic 5b bookshelf speaker (or the new version of such) but, again, to drill into the cabinets to ensure proper angles of sound dispersion makes me cringe considering the cost of Aerial speakers.

You're right about the equipment lists. I'll do that soon. I'm also in contact with a professional photographer and once the Lutron shade is installed I'm hoping to take some high quality photos. Who knows, maybe someone might be interested in publishing them. We'll see. Regardless, paying for a high quality keepsake showing my final product is worth it considering the massive amounts of work I put into this. Sadly this all has to happen soon. As you know, I'm and active duty Army physician and I've had a nice long run here in Hawaii but it looks very likely that I'll only have two more years left here. I hope I'm wrong but if I'm not, I'll need to plan my next theater at my next and likely last duty destination. I'm not selling the house though, it will be our vacation/retirement home that I will rent until we return (but the home theater will be locked up and not part of the "rental"- it's hard to think a renter would take care of it the way I do).
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"I'm not selling the house though, it will be our vacation/retirement home that I will rent until we return (but the home theater will be locked up and not part of the "rental"- it's hard to think a renter would take care of it the way I do)."

So renting it to AVSers by the week inclusive of the theater is right out of the question then. I suppose going all the way to Hawaii to watch movies and not get out into the sun to see the sights would be insane-ish...

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Hi Jim!
It would be insane but if you ever want to come out, I'd open the theater for you. Having said that, Hawaii lives up to the reputation of being paradise and I'd hope you'd spend every moment outside.

I've been catching up on lots of threads, I hope to see major progress when I check out your thread later today.
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