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The ones I removed were unnecessary for the moment. They could possibly be added to Volume 3, along with the Pearl Harbor scene.

If one is going to make a simplistic assessment of the value of different alignments, it would be that sealed/IB goes the lowest, at the highest cost per dB; horns have the lowest cost per dB at the expense of size, and vented box characteristics lie in between the other two. None is inherently superior across the board, neither is any inherently inferior across the board. The one to use is the one that fits your response and output needs, available space and bank account. -BFM
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Sounds good! Just wondering for the sake of curiosity:D

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Don't forget Finding Nemo (aquarium tap scene)! Never saw it on my current setup...

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Has this been submitted yet? (maybe just didn't make the list)

Star Wars Ep II: Attack of the Clones - space mine "depth charge" scene.
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Just wanted to write down the list of what's actually included from the original list in case anyone wants to know before downloading, just a couple added/removed. The ones in bold were added, and I listed the removed ones at the end:

Removed:

Inception (Random Train)
Book of Eli (Town Square Fight)
dts es sparcs (sprite mix)
dts hd ma 7.1 sfx

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The ones I removed were unnecessary for the moment. They could possibly be added to Volume 3, along with the Pearl Harbor scene.

I'm confused. I'm still downloading it now, but this list is what's on the disk now vice what was listed in the original post? If these are really missing from the disk and not found on volume 2 that Jindrak is building, I'd really like to see them on V3. Especially the trailers!

I'd also vote for clips from both Nemo and Wreck it Ralph go on V3 =)

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I believe the issue is you "should" be combining the files into a bluray ISO. And then stick it in your library and toss the downloaded files. XBMC will then handle the iso as if it were a bluray. I've done it before with DVD ISO's but never bothered with a bluray, as my blurays are ripped to MKV.

You think XBMC would show me working menu if I create ISOs? I'll try that. Is there a non-commercial software that can create ISOs out of the BDMV structure? Or since copy-protection seems to be a mandatory part of the Blu-ray Disc spec, maybe a commercial software with an embedded key is necessary to create a valid video blu-ray readable by, say, a PS3?

Also, I've tested XBMC 12 on both this BDMV folder and scubasteve's Bass Disc and I had no issue navigating the menus in the latter (opening either the index.bdmv or MovieObject.bdmv files). On this BDMV structure, I can get to the menu and navigate it, but I can't start the scenes. Is this because I could have forgotten an empty folder or a 0-byte file somewhere? Can somebody confirm that the menu can be made to work and, if possible, re-state the exact steps? Thanks, I think I'm confused and I'm not sure if it's XBMC that is at fault here. My goal would be to *not* burn the blu-ray, just either navigate into the BDMV folder to launch the menu, or if feasible, create an ISO file.

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Is there a non-commercial software that can create ISOs out of the BDMV structure? Or since copy-protection seems to be a mandatory part of the Blu-ray Disc spec, maybe a commercial software with an embedded key is necessary to create a valid video blu-ray readable by, say, a PS3?
 

ImgBurn can do that (see my answer, above).

Copy protection is not mandatory for BD. Leo's disc (see link in sig) works fine on some (but not all) PS3s.

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Just clarifying some points: playing iso files with menu support has to do more with software support than anything else. It's my understanding that for a players to play iso files the manufacturer has to have the license to play blurays through software in addition to the hardware license. The ps3, for example will not play iso files nor m2ts files, however it will play TS files.

As far as the Reference disc, and I would imagine this disc, if burned to BD media correctly will play in any bluray player. The problem arises when burning the BDMV structure to DVD, then some players can not handle the higher bit-rate. I have not heard of any bluray player not being able to play either Steve's disc. or mine when burned correctly. And I would think the same applies for this disc.

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First of all, my apologies -- the Bass Disc I was refering to was indeed superleo's, not scubasteve's. Also, sorry for sounding that confused -- it's the first time I actually play with Blu-Ray images and folder structures. I was pondering buying a blu-ray burner for this but reasoned that if I can put the folder or ISO image on my home server and just play it from XBMC, then it's even more efficient.

So what I meant is that XBMC is able to display and navigate in both disc's menus simply by launching the disc's MovieObject.bdmv. In superleo's disc, I can select a scene and play it successfully. However in the present disc (Jindrak's), launching a scene fails, and I'm not sure why. I'm able to play individual .m2ts files without a problem though, so it's the launch that fails, not actual playback, and only in the Ultimate's structure, not in Reference's.

I'm currently using ImgBurn to create an ISO -- I'll report back on that when I can. Also note that I think I cleaned up the directories correctly, and also added the empty JAR and BDJO folders. In any case, the two folder structures (Ultimate and Reference) are now very similar save for the actual files.

EDIT: The ISO is no different than the folder structure. The scene doesn't launch, but XBMC shows a jittering progress bar. It seems that when the duration of the scene is elapsed, the next scene is actually launched correctly. confused.gif

EDIT 2: Tried playing the folder in TotalMedia Theater and there the menu worked well. So it looks like XBMC's menu support is not really consistent from one blu-ray to the next.

EDIT 3: Looks like XBMC's blu-ray menu support is still limited. The release notes say that HDMV menus are supported but not BD-J/BD-Live menus. I have no idea what those are but I guess it can explain why some blurays work well while others not.

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For the 3rd version of the disc is it possible to add the shuttle launch scene from the IMAX Hubble Bluray? A lot of people here have said it is house shaking. I havent seen it yet but would definitely like to.

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How do you burn this to a Bluray disk using IMGBurn? There are so many folders, which one do you choose?

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You read the help files for ImgBurn. After you've carefully rearranged the folders from the download per the instructions for that.

 

I believe the expression is: RTFM

 

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To add a bit of precision if I remember correctly, in ImgBurn you have to select the top folder which *contains* the BDMV folder -- not the BDMV folder itself. Then it's pretty straightforward from there once you have cleaned up the directory (removed 0-byte files and nested directories with the same name).

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Another bit of useful information for XBMC 12 users that want to bitstream audio to their receiver. It works! But it's a bit more involved than I thought. First step is to make sure that the HDMI Audio output is enabled and configured correctly in the Windows Sound Settings. This should be checked by default, but make sure that the HDMI Audio output can be exclusively controlled by applications (this is in the Advanced tab of the HDMI Audio output properties). Then, in XBMC 12, one has to set the audio output as HDMI, then select WASAPI *(Your HDMI Audio Output Device)* in the Passthrough Audio setting.

The idea is that bitstreaming is not compatible with the Windows DirectSound mixer (Windows would have to decode the bitstream in order to mix in sound from the system and other applications), so XBMC uses the WASAPI Exclusive Mode to grab exclusive control of the HDMI Audio output. Failure to select the the proper setting resulted in no sound and extremely choppy playback on my computer. If you select "Analog" audio output instead of HDMI, the bitsream is simply decoded by Windows and sent to the receiver as LPCM. It did sound a bit different to me though.

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Confirmed successful burn.

One other request for next versions, is there any way to make the menus move more quickly? It's PAINFUL slow going from clip to clip.

Also, if you decide to go to the last clip (one of the THX ones) and play it from the menu it quits playback after showing it. At least on my PS3...

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To burn using IMGburn, just drag the entire BDMV folder onto the window.

Easy guide: http://www.bdlot.com/resource/imgburn-burn-a-bd-disc.htm

If one is going to make a simplistic assessment of the value of different alignments, it would be that sealed/IB goes the lowest, at the highest cost per dB; horns have the lowest cost per dB at the expense of size, and vented box characteristics lie in between the other two. None is inherently superior across the board, neither is any inherently inferior across the board. The one to use is the one that fits your response and output needs, available space and bank account. -BFM
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Lots of good info about blu-ray directory structures, etc. I still had to do some digging to get this working correctly, but here is something else to add.

I looked into what directories should be there for *maximum* compatibility. This means that more programs or players should be able to play these back based off of their own internal validation of file structure. This is not my list, but a combination of things pulled from a few web resources dealing with burning blu-ray compilations like this one.

For those who wonder why some BDs are playable with PDVD and certain BD players, and some are not, here is the structure to check. IMGBURN should make the CERTIFICATE folder automatically.

The "top" level folders should be:
BDMV
CERTIFICATE

Subfolders of \BDMV
AUXDATA
BACKUP
BDJO
CLIPINF
JAR
META
PLAYLIST
STREAM


Subfolders of \BDMV\BACKUP
BDJO
CLIPINF
JAR
PLAYLIST


If any of these directories are missing, simply add an empty one and the BD will play fine with any software, including PDVD (providing there is not another issue of course).

If you see other folders than the ones above, check the contents. If they are full of files with 0 kb in size, delete the files and that folder. That is what others have said above in regards to the torrent that is out there for this demo disc.

I hope that this helps. I know that some of this was covered elsewhere already, but I also noticed that some directories were still missing from the "maximum playback compatibility" folder list.
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They were missing because they were never there to begin with. Even when I originally created the disc from multiAVCHD, it only created what you see in the pictures I posted. But thanks for the additional info.

If one is going to make a simplistic assessment of the value of different alignments, it would be that sealed/IB goes the lowest, at the highest cost per dB; horns have the lowest cost per dB at the expense of size, and vented box characteristics lie in between the other two. None is inherently superior across the board, neither is any inherently inferior across the board. The one to use is the one that fits your response and output needs, available space and bank account. -BFM
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I obviously did not burn it right b/c it gives me 'wrong disk' when trying to play?????

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Don't know. What kind of disc are you using? I used Verbatim 50GB DL. Burn at 2x speed. When you launch ImgBurn, click "Write Files/Folders to Disc". Click Options tab.

Change Data Type to "MODE1/2048"
File System >> UDF
UDF Revision >> 2.50

The only thing that should have a checked box is "Recurse Subdirectories". Drag BDMV folder into the big white space under Source. Go back to "Information" tab. Click the calculator. Then, burn. Did this help?

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They were missing because they were never there to begin with. Even when I originally created the disc from multiAVCHD, it only created what you see in the pictures I posted. But thanks for the additional info.

No, I wasn't complaining at all. I just wanted to make sure that everyone had all of the information since some blu-ray players do a file structure check and if some of those folders (even if empty) don't exist, it won't play.

Sorry if I somehow offended you, I was just trying to add helpful information.
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This might sound silly in between the bluray discussion, but how can I put these on DVD's?
I don't have a writer for bluray and don't want to buy one because I have no bluray player either.
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This might sound silly in between the bluray discussion, but how can I put these on DVD's?
I don't have a writer for bluray and don't want to buy one because I have no bluray player either.
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The file is too big for DVD. 46.5GB
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I know bit can I split the stream files up and how do I make it work? Thanks.
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With MultiAVCHD you could re do and re arrange the files to fit any media size.

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Don't know. What kind of disc are you using? I used Verbatim 50GB DL. Burn at 2x speed. When you launch ImgBurn, click "Write Files/Folders to Disc". Click Options tab.

Change Data Type to "MODE1/2048"
File System >> UDF
UDF Revision >> 2.50

The only thing that should have a checked box is "Recurse Subdirectories". Drag BDMV folder into the big white space under Source. Go back to "Information" tab. Click the calculator. Then, burn. Did this help?

I am doing something wrong here.

Do you cut the actual files and put them in the Aux folder? Or do you cut the folders and put them in the Aux folder? And I have no certificate folder? Where is that?

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IMGBURN should create the Certificate folder if it is missing.

You can check the setting under (going from memory here) Tools --> Settings --> Build and then making sure that creating the Certificate folder is checked.

I know that only partially answers your question though.
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With MultiAVCHD you could re do and re arrange the files to fit any media size.
Downloading now, thanks!
I'll give it a try on a DVD RW when time permits....
I'll post back here when I did.
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I finished downloading this a few days ago and finally got the chance to watch it. Awesome. Thanks for this Jindrak! Now I have more material to impress people with!

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You should also be aware that by putting this onto DVD removes the lossless HD audio.

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Cut files? You mean the guide I posted on the first page after downloading? If so, you just need to delete all the 0 byte files. Then, cut the files out of the duplicate folder in each section. Then, delete the duplicate folder. IMGburn will create the certificate folder for you.

If one is going to make a simplistic assessment of the value of different alignments, it would be that sealed/IB goes the lowest, at the highest cost per dB; horns have the lowest cost per dB at the expense of size, and vented box characteristics lie in between the other two. None is inherently superior across the board, neither is any inherently inferior across the board. The one to use is the one that fits your response and output needs, available space and bank account. -BFM
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